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Posted: **18 Dec 2025 07:44 am**

Can anyone figure out why guys coming through the system like Winn, Burleson, and Herrera have evidently made a successful jump from AAA to MLB (knock on wood) and guys like Carlson, Walker, and Gorman have petered out?

Posted: **18 Dec 2025 07:46 am**

May as well be asking "why does the toast always fall butter side down?"

Posted: **18 Dec 2025 07:49 am**

Cranny wrote: ↑18 Dec 2025 07:44 am Can anyone figure out why guys coming through the system like Winn, Burleson, and Herrera have evidently made a successful jump from AAA to MLB (knock on wood) and guys like Carlson, Walker, and Gorman have petered out?

Too much pressure on the top prospects maybe.
They aren't able to mentally adjust to the expectations.
The successful group you mentioned had no major expectations.

Posted: **18 Dec 2025 07:51 am**

Very simple. It has nothing to do with the human. It’s all about natural numbers.

Formula- put as many into the system as it can hold. Let ‘em play. Thin them out. Continue the process until complete. End state- 3 make it, three don’t. As to who by name, not relevant.

Posted: **18 Dec 2025 07:52 am**

Cranny wrote: ↑18 Dec 2025 07:44 am Can anyone figure out why guys coming through the system like Winn, Burleson, and Herrera have evidently made a successful jump from AAA to MLB (knock on wood) and guys like Carlson, Walker, and Gorman have petered out?

C'mon...long history of prospects failing. Most do

Posted: **18 Dec 2025 07:54 am**

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑18 Dec 2025 07:52 am
Cranny wrote: ↑18 Dec 2025 07:44 am Can anyone figure out why guys coming through the system like Winn, Burleson, and Herrera have evidently made a successful jump from AAA to MLB (knock on wood) and guys like Carlson, Walker, and Gorman have petered out?
C'mon...long history of prospects failing. Most do

Attrition. As you noted. Long history of failure. Success knows no name or face.

Posted: **18 Dec 2025 08:34 am**

Bully4you wrote: ↑18 Dec 2025 07:49 am
Cranny wrote: ↑18 Dec 2025 07:44 am Can anyone figure out why guys coming through the system like Winn, Burleson, and Herrera have evidently made a successful jump from AAA to MLB (knock on wood) and guys like Carlson, Walker, and Gorman have petered out?
Too much pressure on the top prospects maybe.
They aren't able to mentally adjust to the expectations.
The successful group you mentioned had no major expectations.

I think Winn was pretty highly regarded, and Herrera was touted as our catcher of the future.

Posted: **18 Dec 2025 08:44 am**

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑18 Dec 2025 07:51 am Very simple. It has nothing to do with the human. It’s all about natural numbers.

Formula- put as many into the system as it can hold. Let ‘em play. Thin them out. Continue the process until complete. End state- 3 make it, three don’t. As to who by name, not relevant.

Only about 10 to 15 percent of players who reach the minor leagues actually make it to the majors. This statistic highlights the competitive nature of the sport and the rigorous standards that players must meet to succeed. With that mind is much more difficult to become a good Major League player.

Posted: **18 Dec 2025 08:44 am**

Cranny wrote: ↑18 Dec 2025 08:34 am
Bully4you wrote: ↑18 Dec 2025 07:49 am
Cranny wrote: ↑18 Dec 2025 07:44 am Can anyone figure out why guys coming through the system like Winn, Burleson, and Herrera have evidently made a successful jump from AAA to MLB (knock on wood) and guys like Carlson, Walker, and Gorman have petered out?
Too much pressure on the top prospects maybe.
They aren't able to mentally adjust to the expectations.
The successful group you mentioned had no major expectations.
I think Winn was pretty highly regarded, and Herrera was touted as our catcher of the future.

I disagree.
Walker, Gorman and Carlson were all ranked at least in the top 20.
There were expectations.
Hell, Carlson was compared to Beltran.
Gorman to Harper.
Walker to frigg'in Dave Winfield.
It was ridiculous.

Posted: **18 Dec 2025 08:45 am**

OldRed wrote: ↑18 Dec 2025 08:44 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑18 Dec 2025 07:51 am Very simple. It has nothing to do with the human. It’s all about natural numbers.

Formula- put as many into the system as it can hold. Let ‘em play. Thin them out. Continue the process until complete. End state- 3 make it, three don’t. As to who by name, not relevant.

Only about 10 to 15 percent of players who reach the minor leagues actually make it to the majors. This statistic highlights the competitive nature of the sport and the rigorous standards that players must meet to succeed. With that mind is much more difficult to become a good Major League player.

Good write.

Posted: **18 Dec 2025 08:52 am**

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑18 Dec 2025 08:45 am
OldRed wrote: ↑18 Dec 2025 08:44 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑18 Dec 2025 07:51 am Very simple. It has nothing to do with the human. It’s all about natural numbers.

Formula- put as many into the system as it can hold. Let ‘em play. Thin them out. Continue the process until complete. End state- 3 make it, three don’t. As to who by name, not relevant.

Only about 10 to 15 percent of players who reach the minor leagues actually make it to the majors. This statistic highlights the competitive nature of the sport and the rigorous standards that players must meet to succeed. With that mind is much more difficult to become a good Major League player.
Good write.

But the % of draftees that make the majors is higher for 1st and 2nd round draftees.

Posted: **18 Dec 2025 08:52 am**

Cranny wrote: ↑18 Dec 2025 07:44 am Can anyone figure out why guys coming through the system like Winn, Burleson, and Herrera have evidently made a successful jump from AAA to MLB (knock on wood) and guys like Carlson, Walker, and Gorman have petered out?

Dah!

Winn (great glove/arm), Burleson (solid hitting skills) and Hererra (elite hitting skills) are naturally talented and even Mo's horrible minor league (lack of ) development system couldn't harm their natural skills.

Carlson, Walker and Gorman all three have many flaws in their game and were in need of a C. Bloom like minor league player development system to even have a chance of being (L-T) successful in MLB.

They lacked the tools in their tool box to overcome when the league made adjustments after getting a book on their weaknesses.

Pretty simple

BDWJr/Mo FAILED the minor league system terribly and now are paying the price for it.

Posted: **18 Dec 2025 08:55 am**

Cranny wrote: ↑18 Dec 2025 08:52 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑18 Dec 2025 08:45 am
OldRed wrote: ↑18 Dec 2025 08:44 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑18 Dec 2025 07:51 am Very simple. It has nothing to do with the human. It’s all about natural numbers.

Formula- put as many into the system as it can hold. Let ‘em play. Thin them out. Continue the process until complete. End state- 3 make it, three don’t. As to who by name, not relevant.

Only about 10 to 15 percent of players who reach the minor leagues actually make it to the majors. This statistic highlights the competitive nature of the sport and the rigorous standards that players must meet to succeed. With that mind is much more difficult to become a good Major League player.
Good write.
But the % of draftees that make the majors is higher for 1st and 2nd round draftees.

And that is heavily weighted by early first rounders.

Posted: **18 Dec 2025 08:55 am**

Cranny wrote: ↑18 Dec 2025 08:52 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑18 Dec 2025 08:45 am
OldRed wrote: ↑18 Dec 2025 08:44 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑18 Dec 2025 07:51 am Very simple. It has nothing to do with the human. It’s all about natural numbers.

Formula- put as many into the system as it can hold. Let ‘em play. Thin them out. Continue the process until complete. End state- 3 make it, three don’t. As to who by name, not relevant.

Only about 10 to 15 percent of players who reach the minor leagues actually make it to the majors. This statistic highlights the competitive nature of the sport and the rigorous standards that players must meet to succeed. With that mind is much more difficult to become a good Major League player.
Good write.
But the % of draftees that make the majors is higher for 1st and 2nd round draftees.

Ok. That’s a maybe. It has nothing to do with prospect saturation. There are only a few 1’and2’s. Much greater numbers in lower positions.

Posted: **18 Dec 2025 08:59 am**

Cranny wrote: ↑18 Dec 2025 08:34 am
Bully4you wrote: ↑18 Dec 2025 07:49 am
Cranny wrote: ↑18 Dec 2025 07:44 am Can anyone figure out why guys coming through the system like Winn, Burleson, and Herrera have evidently made a successful jump from AAA to MLB (knock on wood) and guys like Carlson, Walker, and Gorman have petered out?
Too much pressure on the top prospects maybe.
They aren't able to mentally adjust to the expectations.
The successful group you mentioned had no major expectations.
I think Winn was pretty highly regarded, and Herrera was touted as our catcher of the future.

Posted: **18 Dec 2025 09:01 am**

Cranny wrote: ↑18 Dec 2025 07:44 am Can anyone figure out why guys coming through the system like Winn, Burleson, and Herrera have evidently made a successful jump from AAA to MLB (knock on wood) and guys like Carlson, Walker, and Gorman have petered out?

Poor player development and talent evaluation.

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