Ketel Marte (32) or Brendan Donovan (28)?

[BleedingBleu]

If your main offseason need was to acquire a 2nd Baseman, which player are you going after Ketel Marte (69.1 BTV) or Brendan Donovan (32.5 BTV)

Last year, Ketel Marte played in 126 Games for the D-Bags and produced the following statline: .283/.376/.517/.893 (145 OPS+)
He hit 28 Homers, another 28 Doubles, and walked 64x as opposed to 83 Strikeouts while producing a 4.4 WAR.

Ketel Marte is owed $16M next year, but has 5 more years at roughly $102M left on his contract; which wraps up after he’s 37.

Last year, Brendan Donovan played in 118 Games and produced the following statline: .287/.353/.422/.775 (118 OPS+). He hit 10 Homers, 32 Doubles, and walked 42x as opposed to 67 Strikeouts while producing 2.7 WAR.

Donovan is Arb2 Eligible, and has club control for 2 years.

Two scenarios…
1.) You aspire for your team to playoff contender.
2.) You are a World Series Title Contender.

Which player do you acquire in either scenario?

[82birds]

comes down to money, as always, IMO

thanks, BB, for the side-by-side comparison.

[sikeston bulldog2]

If your main offseason need was to acquire a 2nd Baseman, which player are you going after Ketel Marte (69.1 BTV) or Brendan Donovan (32.5 BTV)

Last year, Ketel Marte played in 126 Games for the D-Bags and produced the following statline: .283/.376/.517/.893 (145 OPS+)
He hit 28 Homers, another 28 Doubles, and walked 64x as opposed to 83 Strikeouts while producing a 4.4 WAR.

Ketel Marte is owed $16M next year, but has 5 more years at roughly $102M left on his contract; which wraps up after he’s 37.

Last year, Brendan Donovan played in 118 Games and produced the following statline: .287/.353/.422/.775 (118 OPS+). He hit 10 Homers, 32 Doubles, and walked 42x as opposed to 67 Strikeouts while producing 2.7 WAR.

Donovan is Arb2 Eligible, and has club control for 2 years.

Two scenarios…
1.) You aspire for your team to playoff contender.
2.) You are a World Series Title Contender.

Which player do you acquire in either scenario?

First. Under this scenario, JJ goes to third. I already cant lose out.

It’s second base. I think I’d keep Donovan if I’m a WS contender as I need less from him.

I do Marte if I’m a ways away only for stability. Donovan will be gone sooner.

[Jatalk]

Impossible to answer not knowing team structure.

Just want to point out the good news. There is multiple teams needing a Donovan like player. Marte can only play for one team.

[Ozziesfan41]

If your main offseason need was to acquire a 2nd Baseman, which player are you going after Ketel Marte (69.1 BTV) or Brendan Donovan (32.5 BTV)

Last year, Ketel Marte played in 126 Games for the D-Bags and produced the following statline: .283/.376/.517/.893 (145 OPS+)
He hit 28 Homers, another 28 Doubles, and walked 64x as opposed to 83 Strikeouts while producing a 4.4 WAR.

Ketel Marte is owed $16M next year, but has 5 more years at roughly $102M left on his contract; which wraps up after he’s 37.

Last year, Brendan Donovan played in 118 Games and produced the following statline: .287/.353/.422/.775 (118 OPS+). He hit 10 Homers, 32 Doubles, and walked 42x as opposed to 67 Strikeouts while producing 2.7 WAR.

Donovan is Arb2 Eligible, and has club control for 2 years.

Two scenarios…
1.) You aspire for your team to playoff contender.
2.) You are a World Series Title Contender.

Which player do you acquire in either scenario?

I am probably going Marte because of the power he really makes a line up way better I like donovan but Marte is better.

[Melville]

If your main offseason need was to acquire a 2nd Baseman, which player are you going after Ketel Marte (69.1 BTV) or Brendan Donovan (32.5 BTV)

Last year, Ketel Marte played in 126 Games for the D-Bags and produced the following statline: .283/.376/.517/.893 (145 OPS+)
He hit 28 Homers, another 28 Doubles, and walked 64x as opposed to 83 Strikeouts while producing a 4.4 WAR.

Ketel Marte is owed $16M next year, but has 5 more years at roughly $102M left on his contract; which wraps up after he’s 37.

Last year, Brendan Donovan played in 118 Games and produced the following statline: .287/.353/.422/.775 (118 OPS+). He hit 10 Homers, 32 Doubles, and walked 42x as opposed to 67 Strikeouts while producing 2.7 WAR.

Donovan is Arb2 Eligible, and has club control for 2 years.

Two scenarios…
1.) You aspire for your team to playoff contender.
2.) You are a World Series Title Contender.

Which player do you acquire in either scenario?

I am probably going Marte because of the power he really makes a line up way better I like donovan but Marte is better.

Correct.
If strictly looking for a difference making 2B as specified by the OP, not even remotely a close call.

[BleedingBleu]

Impossible to answer not knowing team structure.

Just want to point out the good news. There is multiple teams needing a Donovan like player. Marte can only play for one team.

We have several real examples, or you could invent one with how you would run a team…

[scoutyjones2]

No brainer. Ketel

[rockondlouie]

-Marte is of course the right short-term move if you think you're team is capable of taking down the Dodgers in the next year or two.

-Donny is the right choice if you're team is just a notch below the Dodgers and needs a couple seasons to let your prospects reach the Show and to add that final piece.

JMO but the M' s land in the "Donny" camp as they're not quite ready to take down the Dodgers.

[Ronnie Dobbs]

-Marte is of course the right short-term move if you think you're team is capable of taking down the Dodgers in the next year or two.

-Donny is the right choice if you're team is just a notch below the Dodgers and needs a couple seasons to let your prospects reach the Show and to add that final piece.

JMO but the M' s land in the "Donny" camp as they're not quite ready to take down the Dodgers.

I would add to it, that Donovan is the right move if you do not have the financial power of the Mets, Yankees, Dodgers, etc to spend $102.5 million dollars over the next six years. There are a lot more teams than not in that boat.

Also, fair or not, Marte got the reputation of a bad teammate last year. He apologized for how he handled some things. Donovan doesnot have that hanging over his head. That is important too.

[rockondlouie]

-Marte is of course the right short-term move if you think you're team is capable of taking down the Dodgers in the next year or two.

-Donny is the right choice if you're team is just a notch below the Dodgers and needs a couple seasons to let your prospects reach the Show and to add that final piece.

JMO but the M' s land in the "Donny" camp as they're not quite ready to take down the Dodgers.

I would add to it, that Donovan is the right move if you do not have the financial power of the Mets, Yankees, Dodgers, etc to spend $102.5 million dollars over the next six years. There are a lot more teams than not in that boat.

Also, fair or not, Marte got the reputation of a bad teammate last year. He apologized for how he handled some things. Donovan doesnot have that hanging over his head. That is important too.

I want to see what team takes Marte and that contract, I'd bet the DBack have to eat big $$$$$ if they want anything back.

And agree, no comparison when it comes to leadership w/Marte sitting out games after his home was robbed.

[ecleme22]

-Marte is of course the right short-term move if you think you're team is capable of taking down the Dodgers in the next year or two.

-Donny is the right choice if you're team is just a notch below the Dodgers and needs a couple seasons to let your prospects reach the Show and to add that final piece.

JMO but the M' s land in the "Donny" camp as they're not quite ready to take down the Dodgers.

I would add to it, that Donovan is the right move if you do not have the financial power of the Mets, Yankees, Dodgers, etc to spend $102.5 million dollars over the next six years. There are a lot more teams than not in that boat.

Also, fair or not, Marte got the reputation of a bad teammate last year. He apologized for how he handled some things. Donovan doesnot have that hanging over his head. That is important too.

I want to see what team takes Marte and that contract, I'd bet the DBack have to eat big $$$$$ if they want anything back.

And agree, no comparison when it comes to leadership w/Marte sitting out games after his home was robbed.

Can we stop acting like Donovan is Knute Rockne? It’s a little embarrassing…

[Jatalk]

Impossible to answer not knowing team structure.

Just want to point out the good news. There is multiple teams needing a Donovan like player. Marte can only play for one team.

We have several real examples, or you could invent one with how you would run a team…

If I need offense then I’m going Matre. If I’m looking for versatility I’m going Donovan. Cheaper, multiple positions played well, and won’t hurt your offense. All around best choice based on ability and cost is Donovan. IMO.

[Ronnie Dobbs]

If I need offense then I’m going Matre. If I’m looking for versatility I’m going Donovan. Cheaper, multiple positions played well, and won’t hurt your offense. All around best choice based on ability and cost is Donovan. IMO.

Another great point. You know you can throw Donovan virtually anywhere on the field, he’ll field that position relatively well, and he won’t complain about it. Marte is basically limited to 2B at this point, and who knows how a 32 year old veteran is going to react when you tell them that you want to treat him as a utility player?

[12xu]

-Marte is of course the right short-term move if you think you're team is capable of taking down the Dodgers in the next year or two.

-Donny is the right choice if you're team is just a notch below the Dodgers and needs a couple seasons to let your prospects reach the Show and to add that final piece.

JMO but the M' s land in the "Donny" camp as they're not quite ready to take down the Dodgers.

I would add to it, that Donovan is the right move if you do not have the financial power of the Mets, Yankees, Dodgers, etc to spend $102.5 million dollars over the next six years. There are a lot more teams than not in that boat.

Also, fair or not, Marte got the reputation of a bad teammate last year. He apologized for how he handled some things. Donovan doesnot have that hanging over his head. That is important too.

I want to see what team takes Marte and that contract, I'd bet the DBack have to eat big $$$$$ if they want anything back.

And agree, no comparison when it comes to leadership w/Marte sitting out games after his home was robbed.

Can we stop acting like Donovan is Knute Rockne? It’s a little embarrassing…

Don't know anyone who has compared Donovan to a early 20th century college football player. Most folks I know liken him to ex Cardinals like Ken Oberkfell or Tommy Herr with more power.

[mattmitchl44]

Marte is the significantly more valuable player. Per Cot's his contract appears to be VERY team friendly:

2026 - $9 million (with $6 million deferred until 2036)
2027 - $9 million (with $3 million deferred until 2037)
2028 - $10 million (with $10 million deferred until 2038)
2029 - $11 million (with $11 million deferred until 2039)
2030 - $11 million (with $11 million deferred until 2040)
2031 - $11.5 million player option

Even as he declines in his mid-30s, he's going to be a relative bargain.

But for Marte to make sense, a team would have to have a hole (or be willing to make a hole) at exactly 2B AND be in a position to give up much more prospect/player value to Arizona to get him without impacting their chances to "win now."