Time Cardinals 'hit' on youngster who becomes star player

[ramfandan]

Cardinal fans have been disappointed in the recent past with Dylan Carlson , Walker , and others who have not become top MLB players.
There was a lot of hope and anticipation but then fizzled. Due to that , many fans have the mindset that any youngsters being considered for promotion to the big league now is 'over-hyped or 'rushed' .
When St. Louis does 'hit' on a young guy who becomes a budding star at a young age, fans will be more willing to accept the next young guy promotion.

Will JJ Wetherholt be that guy ? possibly . If he plays very well, that may open the door for a Doyle, Rodrigues, and Padilla types to advance on a fast track possibly.
Our division rival had a teenager coming up thru their minors .. Brewers Jackson Chourio .. After playing well in Double A Biloxi at age 19, he was brought up in 2024 at age 20. Chourio finished his rookie year making the 20/20 club (HR's + SB) . He was 3rd place Rookie of the Year.
Last year , he duplicated the 20/20 club once again. Currently , the Brewers No. 1 prospect is an 18 year old IF Jesus Made Made is ranked 4th in the Top 100 on MLB (one slot ahead of JJ ). Made is not slated to be promoted but knocking on the door . Might be with Brewers big club at age 19 .
After seeing Chourio blossoming , Brewer fans are not hesitant to see Made sooner rather than later. The fans also had a history with a 18 year old starter at SS .. Robin Yount went on to be Hall of Famer So hoping one of these youngsters for the Cardinals 'hits' soon for our team. That will relax some of the fans about the over-hype talk , etc. Until someone breaks thru , fans will be leary fearing another youngster bites the dust. Many in the fanbase are nervous and worried about playing a young guy . Maybe our luck will soon change.
Cardinals are way overdue for a young budding star . Go Cardinals !

[CardsBest]

Cardinal fans have been disappointed in the recent past with Dylan Carlson , Walker , and others who have not become top MLB players.

None of the following become good consistent players with the team.
Tink Hence early but not much hope of starting anymore
Alex Reyes
Jack Flaherty
Dakota Hudson
Michael Wacha injured alot
Nolan Gorman
Tyler Oniell
Harrison Bader
Oscar Taveras
Carson Kelly
Paul DeJong good first year
Tommy Edman good first year bat never did much after

Cards have not had many good players produce for 2-3 years. Donovan was not highly rated but has been one of the best they have had recently.

[Hoosier59]

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Cardinal fans have been disappointed in the recent past with Dylan Carlson , Walker , and others who have not become top MLB players.

None of the following become good consistent players with the team.
Tink Hence early but not much hope of starting anymore
Alex Reyes
Jack Flaherty
Dakota Hudson
Michael Wacha injured alot
Nolan Gorman
Tyler Oniell
Harrison Bader
Oscar Taveras
Carson Kelly
Paul DeJong good first year
Tommy Edman good first year bat never did much after

Cards have not had many good players produce for 2-3 years. Donovan was not highly rated but has been one of the best they have had recently.

How dare him show up these other players, he must traded straight away.

[Ozziesfan41]

Cardinal fans have been disappointed in the recent past with Dylan Carlson , Walker , and others who have not become top MLB players.
There was a lot of hope and anticipation but then fizzled. Due to that , many fans have the mindset that any youngsters being considered for promotion to the big league now is 'over-hyped or 'rushed' .
When St. Louis does 'hit' on a young guy who becomes a budding star at a young age, fans will be more willing to accept the next young guy promotion.

Will JJ Wetherholt be that guy ? possibly . If he plays very well, that may open the door for a Doyle, Rodrigues, and Padilla types to advance on a fast track possibly.
Our division rival had a teenager coming up thru their minors .. Brewers Jackson Chourio .. After playing well in Double A Biloxi at age 19, he was brought up in 2024 at age 20. Chourio finished his rookie year making the 20/20 club (HR's + SB) . He was 3rd place Rookie of the Year.
Last year , he duplicated the 20/20 club once again. Currently , the Brewers No. 1 prospect is an 18 year old IF Jesus Made Made is ranked 4th in the Top 100 on MLB (one slot ahead of JJ ). Made is not slated to be promoted but knocking on the door . Might be with Brewers big club at age 19 .
After seeing Chourio blossoming , Brewer fans are not hesitant to see Made sooner rather than later. The fans also had a history with a 18 year old starter at SS .. Robin Yount went on to be Hall of Famer So hoping one of these youngsters for the Cardinals 'hits' soon for our team. That will relax some of the fans about the over-hype talk , etc. Until someone breaks thru , fans will be leary fearing another youngster bites the dust. Many in the fanbase are nervous and worried about playing a young guy . Maybe our luck will soon change.
Cardinals are way overdue for a young budding star . Go Cardinals !

That’s what happens when mo destroys the development system.

[ICCFIM2]

Donovan has been a very good player, not a star. Herrera may yet become a star. Winn may yet become a star. So, there is potential with the current roster. The minor league system now has more players with potential in it in probably ten years or so. I think the time will come in the next year or 2 that they hit on one or maybe more.

[ramfandan]

Donovan has been a very good player, not a star. Herrera may yet become a star. Winn may yet become a star. So, there is potential with the current roster. The minor league system now has more players with potential in it in probably ten years or so. I think the time will come in the next year or 2 that they hit on one or maybe more.

Agree ! The drought must end sometime. When one emerges , that guy will bring excitement to the fan base and hopefully be a stadium draw for seats at Busch especially if that star type player also has a flair in how he plays the game.
I think back as a young kid . My Dad took me and my brother to a couple games each year. He usually picked the New York Giants a couple times as he wanted us to see Willie Mays play the Say Hey kid . Not only a star caliber stat guy but his hustle, speed, determination etc. gave him a charisma that drew opposing fans to the stadium . He had it all !

[ICCFIM2]

Donovan has been a very good player, not a star. Herrera may yet become a star. Winn may yet become a star. So, there is potential with the current roster. The minor league system now has more players with potential in it in probably ten years or so. I think the time will come in the next year or 2 that they hit on one or maybe more.

Agree ! The drought must end sometime. When one emerges , that guy will bring excitement to the fan base and hopefully be a stadium draw for seats at Busch especially if that star type player also has a flair in how he plays the game.
I think back as a young kid . My Dad took me and my brother to a couple games each year. He usually picked the New York Giants a couple times as he wanted us to see Willie Mays play the Say Hey kid . Not only a star caliber stat guy but his hustle, speed, determination etc. gave him a charisma that drew opposing fans to the stadium . He had it all !

The good old days...My dad was a Bob Gibson fan. I think the first ten games I went to as a kid, Gibson was the pitcher. I thought he was our only pitcher at the time. I only saw the broken down version of Mays. The year before Hank Aaron broke Ruth's record, there was some that thought he would break it the year before. We had tickets for all three games in September with the Braves when Aaron came to town. The commissioner was forcing the Braves to play him.

It would be fascinating to see how Mays and Aaron would do these days against the power pitchers. Aaron had a short powerful swing. He wasn't necessarily trying to hit HRs, but he could and did. I think his stats would remain pretty comparable to what he put up during his career. There are other more free swinging hitters, Reggie Jackson for example, I am less certain of.

I am hopeful that the trio of Winn, Herrera and Wetherholdt will be the next generation of star players in St. Louis. It would be great if Baez could join them. We also need the next bulldog pitcher in the style of Gibson and Carpenter. Doyle seems to be made up mentally that way. Hopefully, he has the talent to pull that off. Then the Cards have a chance to get back to the good old days.

[mattmitchl44]

To really even have a chance of competing with the best teams right now, the Cardinals probably need to develop from their minor league system:

(1) an All-Star level, 5+ fWAR position player, and
(2) an All-Star level, 4+ fWAR, front of rotation SP

and have them be in their cost controlled years, along with other, lesser players in their cost controlled years, so they can afford to build a roster around them.

Hopefully Wetherholt and Doyle turn out to be those guys.

[ramfandan]

To really even have a chance of competing with the best teams right now, the Cardinals probably need to develop from their minor league system:

(1) an All-Star level, 5+ fWAR position player, and
(2) an All-Star level, 4+ fWAR, front of rotation SP

and have them be in their cost controlled years, along with other, lesser players in their cost controlled years, so they can afford to build a roster around them.

Hopefully Wetherholt and Doyle turn out to be those guys.

Speaking of Doyle , he is quite the ultra competitive player. In this short vid, Doyle says a comp for him may be P Chris Sale competitive with a funky delivery .. He also chuckles when Max Scherzer was brought up as Coach Vitello is good friends with Scherzer ( Vitello and Scherzer together at Mizzou years ago ) .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3I35vMbUi0 When Doyle does arrive to play at Busch, he should be fun for fans to watch. He is a fiery guy and reason he has the nickname 'Madman' . Could be one of those players where opposition fans hate the guy while his home team fans love the guy .

[ScotchMIrish]

Matheny mentored Molina who I would consider a star. That firing still makes no sense to me.

[ecleme22]

Matheny mentored Molina who I would consider a star. That firing still makes no sense to me.

Ironically, I bet it made perfect sense to Molina…

[MrPostman01]

Just wait til we get that switch pitcher and he throws from both sides at the same time, Will that make you happy?

[ScotchMIrish]

Matheny mentored Molina who I would consider a star. That firing still makes no sense to me.

Ironically, I bet it made perfect sense to Molina…

His public comments indicated otherwise.

[ecleme22]

Matheny mentored Molina who I would consider a star. That firing still makes no sense to me.

Ironically, I bet it made perfect sense to Molina…

His public comments indicated otherwise.

The org was done w MM.

And so is every other org in baseball.

[ScotchMIrish]

Matheny mentored Molina who I would consider a star. That firing still makes no sense to me.

Ironically, I bet it made perfect sense to Molina…

His public comments indicated otherwise.

The org was done w MM.

And so is every other org in baseball.

A brain hemorrhage will do that. Meanwhile you fabricated the part about Molina disliking Matheny.

[ecleme22]

Matheny mentored Molina who I would consider a star. That firing still makes no sense to me.

Ironically, I bet it made perfect sense to Molina…

His public comments indicated otherwise.

The org was done w MM.

And so is every other org in baseball.

A brain hemorrhage will do that. Meanwhile you fabricated the part about Molina disliking Matheny.

I don’t think YM disliked MM. I think he was done with him as a manager.

I also think the ‘Matheny mentored Molina!” is a little overblown.

Freakin’ molina had two brothers who were mlb catchers, WS champions, with Bengi winning two GGs.

This insinuation that Molina was some rough lump of clay that Metheny sculpted in 2004 is laughable. Molina probably could’ve started on the 2004 team and everything would’ve worked out just fine.