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Gray, May and Fitts
Posted: 14 Dec 2025 12:36 pm
by Shady
It will be interesting to see how their pitching results compare next season. To me, Gray sure didn't seem like an ace last season. Gray was fairly durable. But often didn't go deep into his starts.
Re: Gray, May and Fitts
Posted: 14 Dec 2025 12:48 pm
by craviduce
Why will it be "interesting", and why are we comparing those two to Gray other than one was traded for him? Even then, we would should never compare Fitts' 2026 to Gray's 2026. There's no point in a rebuild season.

Re: Gray, May and Fitts
Posted: 14 Dec 2025 12:55 pm
by ramfandan
When I saw the title of this thread .. Gray, May, and Fitts I thought this was a new law firm Bloom had hired to negotiate contracts for the club.
I was quite impresed by the name .

Re: Gray, May and Fitts
Posted: 14 Dec 2025 13:34 pm
by zuck698
Shady wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 12:36 pm
It will be interesting to see how their pitching results compare next season. To me, Gray sure didn't seem like an ace last season. Gray was fairly durable. But often didn't go deep into his starts.
Calling Jack Handy, Jack Handy you have a phone call.

Re: Gray, May and Fitts
Posted: 14 Dec 2025 13:55 pm
by Shady
craviduce wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 12:48 pm
Why will it be "interesting", and why are we comparing those two to Gray other than one was traded for him? Even then, we would should never compare Fitts' 2026 to Gray's 2026. There's no point in a rebuild season.
Gray is on the downside of his career. Both May and Fitts are much younger and have some talent. And both have been hampered by injuries. Maybe you don't see their upside. Kind of like you not seeing what Burleson's potential was.
Re: Gray, May and Fitts
Posted: 14 Dec 2025 14:22 pm
by craviduce
Shady wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 13:55 pm
craviduce wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 12:48 pm
Why will it be "interesting", and why are we comparing those two to Gray other than one was traded for him? Even then, we would should never compare Fitts' 2026 to Gray's 2026. There's no point in a rebuild season.
Gray is on the downside of his career. Both May and Fitts are much younger and have some talent. And both have been hampered by injuries. Maybe you don't see their upside. Kind of like you not seeing what Burleson's potential was.
I didn't say they didn't have talent. I just questioned your comparison of a steady 3.5-4.0 WAR player, whom you declared was in a decline, to an at best 1.3 WAR 2 years ago and an at best 0.3 WAR 2 years ago.
Just because someone is "younger" doesn't mean they're better. And just because someone has "talent", doesn't mean they're better. Seeing their upside or not seeing their upside still doesn't explain the comparison and why on earth is it "interesting". There's no sense to it....other than giving you a chance to parrot "Burley". Good job!
Give us better, or are you comfortable with so many questioning your intellect? Give us better, erase the negativity.

Re: Gray, May and Fitts
Posted: 14 Dec 2025 14:37 pm
by Shady
craviduce wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 14:22 pm
Shady wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 13:55 pm
craviduce wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 12:48 pm
Why will it be "interesting", and why are we comparing those two to Gray other than one was traded for him? Even then, we would should never compare Fitts' 2026 to Gray's 2026. There's no point in a rebuild season.
Gray is on the downside of his career. Both May and Fitts are much younger and have some talent. And both have been hampered by injuries. Maybe you don't see their upside. Kind of like you not seeing what Burleson's potential was.
I didn't say they didn't have talent. I just questioned your comparison of a steady 3.5-4.0 WAR player, whom you declared was in a decline, to an at best 1.3 WAR 2 years ago and an at best 0.3 WAR 2 years ago.
Just because someone is "younger" doesn't mean they're better. And just because someone has "talent", doesn't mean they're better. Seeing their upside or not seeing their upside still doesn't explain the comparison and why on earth is it "interesting". There's no sense to it....other than giving you a chance to parrot "Burley". Good job!
Give us better, or are you comfortable with so many questioning your intellect? Give us better, erase the negativity.
Despite your lobbying and usual insult, I am still looking forward to seeing how the three mentioned compare in '26. If you don't, so be it.
Re: Gray, May and Fitts
Posted: 14 Dec 2025 14:39 pm
by ecleme22
Shady wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 12:36 pm
It will be interesting to see how their pitching results compare next season. To me, Gray sure didn't seem like an ace last season. Gray was fairly durable. But often didn't go deep into his starts.
It will be interesting.
I wish Gray well. Hope he has a great season.
Re: Gray, May and Fitts
Posted: 14 Dec 2025 14:39 pm
by craviduce
Shady wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 14:37 pm
craviduce wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 14:22 pm
Shady wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 13:55 pm
craviduce wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 12:48 pm
Why will it be "interesting", and why are we comparing those two to Gray other than one was traded for him? Even then, we would should never compare Fitts' 2026 to Gray's 2026. There's no point in a rebuild season.
Gray is on the downside of his career. Both May and Fitts are much younger and have some talent. And both have been hampered by injuries. Maybe you don't see their upside. Kind of like you not seeing what Burleson's potential was.
I didn't say they didn't have talent. I just questioned your comparison of a steady 3.5-4.0 WAR player, whom you declared was in a decline, to an at best 1.3 WAR 2 years ago and an at best 0.3 WAR 2 years ago.
Just because someone is "younger" doesn't mean they're better. And just because someone has "talent", doesn't mean they're better. Seeing their upside or not seeing their upside still doesn't explain the comparison and why on earth is it "interesting". There's no sense to it....other than giving you a chance to parrot "Burley". Good job!
Give us better, or are you comfortable with so many questioning your intellect? Give us better, erase the negativity.
Despite your lobbying and usual insult, I am still looking forward to seeing how the three mentioned compare in '26. If you don't, so be it.
"Why is it interesting?" I'm asking for the 3rd time. You hurled the insults the first...and usually the most.
Answer the question
Re: Gray, May and Fitts
Posted: 14 Dec 2025 14:46 pm
by Shady
craviduce wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 14:39 pm
Shady wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 14:37 pm
craviduce wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 14:22 pm
Shady wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 13:55 pm
craviduce wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 12:48 pm
Why will it be "interesting", and why are we comparing those two to Gray other than one was traded for him? Even then, we would should never compare Fitts' 2026 to Gray's 2026. There's no point in a rebuild season.
Gray is on the downside of his career. Both May and Fitts are much younger and have some talent. And both have been hampered by injuries. Maybe you don't see their upside. Kind of like you not seeing what Burleson's potential was.
I didn't say they didn't have talent. I just questioned your comparison of a steady 3.5-4.0 WAR player, whom you declared was in a decline, to an at best 1.3 WAR 2 years ago and an at best 0.3 WAR 2 years ago.
Just because someone is "younger" doesn't mean they're better. And just because someone has "talent", doesn't mean they're better. Seeing their upside or not seeing their upside still doesn't explain the comparison and why on earth is it "interesting". There's no sense to it....other than giving you a chance to parrot "Burley". Good job!
Give us better, or are you comfortable with so many questioning your intellect? Give us better, erase the negativity.
Despite your lobbying and usual insult, I am still looking forward to seeing how the three mentioned compare in '26. If you don't, so be it.
"Why is it interesting?" I'm asking for the 3rd time. You hurled the insults the first...and usually the most.
Answer the question
It's interesting as to how much Gray will be missed with the additions of May and Fitts.
Re: Gray, May and Fitts
Posted: 14 Dec 2025 14:53 pm
by craviduce
Shady wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 14:46 pm
craviduce wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 14:39 pm
Shady wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 14:37 pm
craviduce wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 14:22 pm
Shady wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 13:55 pm
craviduce wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 12:48 pm
Why will it be "interesting", and why are we comparing those two to Gray other than one was traded for him? Even then, we would should never compare Fitts' 2026 to Gray's 2026. There's no point in a rebuild season.
Gray is on the downside of his career. Both May and Fitts are much younger and have some talent. And both have been hampered by injuries. Maybe you don't see their upside. Kind of like you not seeing what Burleson's potential was.
I didn't say they didn't have talent. I just questioned your comparison of a steady 3.5-4.0 WAR player, whom you declared was in a decline, to an at best 1.3 WAR 2 years ago and an at best 0.3 WAR 2 years ago.
Just because someone is "younger" doesn't mean they're better. And just because someone has "talent", doesn't mean they're better. Seeing their upside or not seeing their upside still doesn't explain the comparison and why on earth is it "interesting". There's no sense to it....other than giving you a chance to parrot "Burley". Good job!
Give us better, or are you comfortable with so many questioning your intellect? Give us better, erase the negativity.
Despite your lobbying and usual insult, I am still looking forward to seeing how the three mentioned compare in '26. If you don't, so be it.
"Why is it interesting?" I'm asking for the 3rd time. You hurled the insults the first...and usually the most.
Answer the question
It's interesting as to how much Gray will be missed with the additions of May and Fitts.
we're not competing....so he won't be missed...no matter who does better.

Keep being you

Re: Gray, May and Fitts
Posted: 14 Dec 2025 14:57 pm
by zuck698
craviduce wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 14:53 pm
Shady wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 14:46 pm
craviduce wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 14:39 pm
Shady wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 14:37 pm
craviduce wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 14:22 pm
Shady wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 13:55 pm
craviduce wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 12:48 pm
Why will it be "interesting", and why are we comparing those two to Gray other than one was traded for him? Even then, we would should never compare Fitts' 2026 to Gray's 2026. There's no point in a rebuild season.
Gray is on the downside of his career. Both May and Fitts are much younger and have some talent. And both have been hampered by injuries. Maybe you don't see their upside. Kind of like you not seeing what Burleson's potential was.
I didn't say they didn't have talent. I just questioned your comparison of a steady 3.5-4.0 WAR player, whom you declared was in a decline, to an at best 1.3 WAR 2 years ago and an at best 0.3 WAR 2 years ago.
Just because someone is "younger" doesn't mean they're better. And just because someone has "talent", doesn't mean they're better. Seeing their upside or not seeing their upside still doesn't explain the comparison and why on earth is it "interesting". There's no sense to it....other than giving you a chance to parrot "Burley". Good job!
Give us better, or are you comfortable with so many questioning your intellect? Give us better, erase the negativity.
Despite your lobbying and usual insult, I am still looking forward to seeing how the three mentioned compare in '26. If you don't, so be it.
"Why is it interesting?" I'm asking for the 3rd time. You hurled the insults the first...and usually the most.
Answer the question
It's interesting as to how much Gray will be missed with the additions of May and Fitts.
we're not competing....so he won't be missed...no matter who does better.
Keep being you
Please no!

Re: Gray, May and Fitts
Posted: 14 Dec 2025 14:58 pm
by Shady
craviduce wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 14:53 pm
Shady wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 14:46 pm
craviduce wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 14:39 pm
Shady wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 14:37 pm
craviduce wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 14:22 pm
Shady wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 13:55 pm
craviduce wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 12:48 pm
Why will it be "interesting", and why are we comparing those two to Gray other than one was traded for him? Even then, we would should never compare Fitts' 2026 to Gray's 2026. There's no point in a rebuild season.
Gray is on the downside of his career. Both May and Fitts are much younger and have some talent. And both have been hampered by injuries. Maybe you don't see their upside. Kind of like you not seeing what Burleson's potential was.
I didn't say they didn't have talent. I just questioned your comparison of a steady 3.5-4.0 WAR player, whom you declared was in a decline, to an at best 1.3 WAR 2 years ago and an at best 0.3 WAR 2 years ago.
Just because someone is "younger" doesn't mean they're better. And just because someone has "talent", doesn't mean they're better. Seeing their upside or not seeing their upside still doesn't explain the comparison and why on earth is it "interesting". There's no sense to it....other than giving you a chance to parrot "Burley". Good job!
Give us better, or are you comfortable with so many questioning your intellect? Give us better, erase the negativity.
Despite your lobbying and usual insult, I am still looking forward to seeing how the three mentioned compare in '26. If you don't, so be it.
"Why is it interesting?" I'm asking for the 3rd time. You hurled the insults the first...and usually the most.
Answer the question
It's interesting as to how much Gray will be missed with the additions of May and Fitts.
we're not competing....so he won't be missed...no matter who does better.

Keep being you
"we're not competing". Sorry, but how can you be so sure about that? You've proven to me, your calls aren't always correct.
Re: Gray, May and Fitts
Posted: 14 Dec 2025 15:02 pm
by craviduce
Shady wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 14:58 pm
craviduce wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 14:53 pm
Shady wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 14:46 pm
craviduce wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 14:39 pm
Shady wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 14:37 pm
craviduce wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 14:22 pm
Shady wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 13:55 pm
craviduce wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 12:48 pm
Why will it be "interesting", and why are we comparing those two to Gray other than one was traded for him? Even then, we would should never compare Fitts' 2026 to Gray's 2026. There's no point in a rebuild season.
Gray is on the downside of his career. Both May and Fitts are much younger and have some talent. And both have been hampered by injuries. Maybe you don't see their upside. Kind of like you not seeing what Burleson's potential was.
I didn't say they didn't have talent. I just questioned your comparison of a steady 3.5-4.0 WAR player, whom you declared was in a decline, to an at best 1.3 WAR 2 years ago and an at best 0.3 WAR 2 years ago.
Just because someone is "younger" doesn't mean they're better. And just because someone has "talent", doesn't mean they're better. Seeing their upside or not seeing their upside still doesn't explain the comparison and why on earth is it "interesting". There's no sense to it....other than giving you a chance to parrot "Burley". Good job!
Give us better, or are you comfortable with so many questioning your intellect? Give us better, erase the negativity.
Despite your lobbying and usual insult, I am still looking forward to seeing how the three mentioned compare in '26. If you don't, so be it.
"Why is it interesting?" I'm asking for the 3rd time. You hurled the insults the first...and usually the most.
Answer the question
It's interesting as to how much Gray will be missed with the additions of May and Fitts.
we're not competing....so he won't be missed...no matter who does better.

Keep being you
"we're not competing". Sorry, but how can you be so sure about that? You've proven to me, your calls aren't always correct.
Bloom said "we're not competing".
Re: Gray, May and Fitts
Posted: 14 Dec 2025 16:06 pm
by Shady
craviduce wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 15:02 pm
Shady wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 14:58 pm
craviduce wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 14:53 pm
Shady wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 14:46 pm
craviduce wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 14:39 pm
Shady wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 14:37 pm
craviduce wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 14:22 pm
Shady wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 13:55 pm
craviduce wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 12:48 pm
Why will it be "interesting", and why are we comparing those two to Gray other than one was traded for him? Even then, we would should never compare Fitts' 2026 to Gray's 2026. There's no point in a rebuild season.
Gray is on the downside of his career. Both May and Fitts are much younger and have some talent. And both have been hampered by injuries. Maybe you don't see their upside. Kind of like you not seeing what Burleson's potential was.
I didn't say they didn't have talent. I just questioned your comparison of a steady 3.5-4.0 WAR player, whom you declared was in a decline, to an at best 1.3 WAR 2 years ago and an at best 0.3 WAR 2 years ago.
Just because someone is "younger" doesn't mean they're better. And just because someone has "talent", doesn't mean they're better. Seeing their upside or not seeing their upside still doesn't explain the comparison and why on earth is it "interesting". There's no sense to it....other than giving you a chance to parrot "Burley". Good job!
Give us better, or are you comfortable with so many questioning your intellect? Give us better, erase the negativity.
Despite your lobbying and usual insult, I am still looking forward to seeing how the three mentioned compare in '26. If you don't, so be it.
"Why is it interesting?" I'm asking for the 3rd time. You hurled the insults the first...and usually the most.
Answer the question
It's interesting as to how much Gray will be missed with the additions of May and Fitts.
we're not competing....so he won't be missed...no matter who does better.

Keep being you
"we're not competing". Sorry, but how can you be so sure about that? You've proven to me, your calls aren't always correct.
Bloom said "we're not competing".
If he did. That is a stupid thing to say for team morale going into '26. I'm not too sure many season ticket holders are impressed either
Re: Gray, May and Fitts
Posted: 14 Dec 2025 16:14 pm
by Melville
Shady wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 12:36 pm
It will be interesting to see how their pitching results compare next season. To me, Gray sure didn't seem like an ace last season. Gray was fairly durable. But often didn't go deep into his starts.
With a little dustin off his previous skill set one of those pitchers May work out very well in 2026, and if the other Shoe Fitts into a solid 3 or 4 spot, it will be a good combination of decisions on Bloom's part with no gray area.