Check In To Admit You Were Wrong Ab Wilson Contreras

[TheSolution]

-Previous team (managed by a catcher) didn’t want anything to do with him as a catcher or person (routinely destroyed expensive clubhouse property)
-Division rival got his younger, better, cheaper brother (who actually catches)
-Post-prime signing of a .250ish hitter who maxes out at 20ish Hrs.

No 1B didn’t improve anything offensively, still topped out at his career ceiling norms.

-Couldn’t catch
-Couldn’t hit for significant power

-rage = leadership (apparently to CardsTalk dummies)

Admit at least that the signing was a total failure.

If you can admit the obvious maybe you can go a little further and admit how totally wrong you were. Yes, you. Yep, you. 99.9% of this board has been full supporters and optimistic hope hopers hoping this guy actually makes a difference and for some delusional reason people thought he’d exceed the production of his prime well into his post-prime.

This was a stupidly dumb waste of money and playing time investment in others.

He was a problem from day one not knowing how to call a game and then he just got in the way as a DH.

No. Stop. Rewire your brain. Let the growth of character flow through you.

Stop resisting. Let it overwhelm your ego.

Now admit.

[CCard]

-Previous team (managed by a catcher) didn’t want anything to do with him as a catcher or person (routinely destroyed expensive clubhouse property)
-Division rival got his younger, better, cheaper brother (who actually catches)
-Post-prime signing of a .250ish hitter who maxes out at 20ish Hrs.

No 1B didn’t improve anything offensively, still topped out at his career ceiling norms.

-Couldn’t catch
-Couldn’t hit for significant power

-rage = leadership (apparently to CardsTalk dummies)

Admit at least that the signing was a total failure.

If you can admit the obvious maybe you can go a little further and admit how totally wrong you were. Yes, you. Yep, you. 99.9% of this board has been full supporters and optimistic hope hopers hoping this guy actually makes a difference and for some delusional reason people thought he’d exceed the production of his prime well into his post-prime.

This was a stupidly dumb waste of money and playing time investment in others.

He was a problem from day one not knowing how to call a game and then he just got in the way as a DH.

No. Stop. Rewire your brain. Let the growth of character flow through you.

Stop resisting. Let it overwhelm your ego.

Now admit.

In the 2025 MLB season, Willson Contreras had a batting average of .257, with 20 home runs and 67 RBIs over 490 at-bats. He also recorded a .344 on-base percentage and a .447 slugging percentage, contributing to an OPS of .791.

Wilson wasn't the problem.

Lars Nootbaar, an outfielder for the St. Louis Cardinals, has a career batting average of .242, with 58 home runs and 194 runs batted in as of the end of the 2025 season. In 2025, he played 135 games, hitting .234 with 13 home runs and 48 RBIs.

Arenado wasn't the problem.
In 2025, Nolan Arenado played 152 games, achieving a batting average of .293 with 30 home runs and 102 RBIs. He also led the Cardinals in several offensive categories, including hits and slugging percentage.

Jordan Walker is a problem. He has to hit much better or else.
n 2025, Jordan Walker played 111 games, achieving a batting average of .215 with 78 hits, 6 home runs, and 41 RBIs. His on-base percentage was .278, and his slugging percentage was .306, contributing to an OPS of .584 over the season.

Pedro Pages is a problem.
2025 season stats

AVG
.230
HR
11
150+
RBI
45
150+
OPS
.635

Victor Scott is a problem.
In the 2025 season, Victor Scott II played 138 games, achieving a batting average of .216 with 5 home runs and 37 RBIs. He also recorded 34 stolen bases, showcasing his speed on the field.
Better than Siani but still not enough.

The major problem is pitching.

[RunSup]

The former POBO did many dumb things in his waning years. But I resist your call to Dark Side here.

It *was* dumb to sign WC as Yadi's replacement at catcher then throw him under the bus when he struggled defensively when his defense should have been known.

But WC's attitude and competitiveness never waivered. Sometimes a bit misguided, but always competing.

He made himself into a very good first baseman with good bat. That was the eventual plan anyway for this stage in his career.

His contract was never underwater and right in line with the value he's provided.

We will have to see what prospect return. But it's been a good sign.

[AZ_Cardsfan]

This thread is like politics. Slant everything to reach a conclusion.

Contreras was a more valuable commodity as a catcher and yes he isn't one now so has lost value. And yes MIL got his brother the better of the two but that is irrelevant to if STL made a huge mistake.

Nah. His price tag is about the going rate for a good fielding 1B part time catcher who hits at his level. Sorry to disappoint you if you are looking for someone to claim he is a great deal or anything like your strawman.

There are teams that will take him without cash going with him. I suspect that happens in the next few weeks as the star 1Bs go off the table.

[Jatalk]

-Previous team (managed by a catcher) didn’t want anything to do with him as a catcher or person (routinely destroyed expensive clubhouse property)
-Division rival got his younger, better, cheaper brother (who actually catches)
-Post-prime signing of a .250ish hitter who maxes out at 20ish Hrs.

No 1B didn’t improve anything offensively, still topped out at his career ceiling norms.

-Couldn’t catch
-Couldn’t hit for significant power

-rage = leadership (apparently to CardsTalk dummies)

Admit at least that the signing was a total failure.

If you can admit the obvious maybe you can go a little further and admit how totally wrong you were. Yes, you. Yep, you. 99.9% of this board has been full supporters and optimistic hope hopers hoping this guy actually makes a difference and for some delusional reason people thought he’d exceed the production of his prime well into his post-prime.

This was a stupidly dumb waste of money and playing time investment in others.

He was a problem from day one not knowing how to call a game and then he just got in the way as a DH.

No. Stop. Rewire your brain. Let the growth of character flow through you.

Stop resisting. Let it overwhelm your ego.

Now admit.

I admit you’re an idiot.

[Goldfan]

Yes, pretty much said the same things when they signed him………….

[Absolut]

-Previous team (managed by a catcher) didn’t want anything to do with him as a catcher or person (routinely destroyed expensive clubhouse property)
-Division rival got his younger, better, cheaper brother (who actually catches)
-Post-prime signing of a .250ish hitter who maxes out at 20ish Hrs.

No 1B didn’t improve anything offensively, still topped out at his career ceiling norms.

-Couldn’t catch
-Couldn’t hit for significant power

-rage = leadership (apparently to CardsTalk dummies)

Admit at least that the signing was a total failure.

If you can admit the obvious maybe you can go a little further and admit how totally wrong you were. Yes, you. Yep, you. 99.9% of this board has been full supporters and optimistic hope hopers hoping this guy actually makes a difference and for some delusional reason people thought he’d exceed the production of his prime well into his post-prime.

This was a stupidly dumb waste of money and playing time investment in others.

He was a problem from day one not knowing how to call a game and then he just got in the way as a DH.

No. Stop. Rewire your brain. Let the growth of character flow through you.

Stop resisting. Let it overwhelm your ego.

Now admit.

In the 2025 MLB season, Willson Contreras had a batting average of .257, with 20 home runs and 67 RBIs over 490 at-bats. He also recorded a .344 on-base percentage and a .447 slugging percentage, contributing to an OPS of .791.

Wilson wasn't the problem.

Lars Nootbaar, an outfielder for the St. Louis Cardinals, has a career batting average of .242, with 58 home runs and 194 runs batted in as of the end of the 2025 season. In 2025, he played 135 games, hitting .234 with 13 home runs and 48 RBIs.

Arenado wasn't the problem.
In 2025, Nolan Arenado played 152 games, achieving a batting average of .293 with 30 home runs and 102 RBIs. He also led the Cardinals in several offensive categories, including hits and slugging percentage.

Jordan Walker is a problem. He has to hit much better or else.
n 2025, Jordan Walker played 111 games, achieving a batting average of .215 with 78 hits, 6 home runs, and 41 RBIs. His on-base percentage was .278, and his slugging percentage was .306, contributing to an OPS of .584 over the season.

Pedro Pages is a problem.
2025 season stats

AVG
.230
HR
11
150+
RBI
45
150+
OPS
.635

Victor Scott is a problem.
In the 2025 season, Victor Scott II played 138 games, achieving a batting average of .216 with 5 home runs and 37 RBIs. He also recorded 34 stolen bases, showcasing his speed on the field.
Better than Siani but still not enough.

The major problem is pitching.

In what fantasy word did arenado have those numbers in 2025?

[scoutyjones2]

-Previous team (managed by a catcher) didn’t want anything to do with him as a catcher or person (routinely destroyed expensive clubhouse property)
-Division rival got his younger, better, cheaper brother (who actually catches)
-Post-prime signing of a .250ish hitter who maxes out at 20ish Hrs.

No 1B didn’t improve anything offensively, still topped out at his career ceiling norms.

-Couldn’t catch
-Couldn’t hit for significant power

-rage = leadership (apparently to CardsTalk dummies)

Admit at least that the signing was a total failure.

If you can admit the obvious maybe you can go a little further and admit how totally wrong you were. Yes, you. Yep, you. 99.9% of this board has been full supporters and optimistic hope hopers hoping this guy actually makes a difference and for some delusional reason people thought he’d exceed the production of his prime well into his post-prime.

This was a stupidly dumb waste of money and playing time investment in others.

He was a problem from day one not knowing how to call a game and then he just got in the way as a DH.

No. Stop. Rewire your brain. Let the growth of character flow through you.

Stop resisting. Let it overwhelm your ego.

Now admit.

In the 2025 MLB season, Willson Contreras had a batting average of .257, with 20 home runs and 67 RBIs over 490 at-bats. He also recorded a .344 on-base percentage and a .447 slugging percentage, contributing to an OPS of .791.

Wilson wasn't the problem.

Lars Nootbaar, an outfielder for the St. Louis Cardinals, has a career batting average of .242, with 58 home runs and 194 runs batted in as of the end of the 2025 season. In 2025, he played 135 games, hitting .234 with 13 home runs and 48 RBIs.

Arenado wasn't the problem.
In 2025, Nolan Arenado played 152 games, achieving a batting average of .293 with 30 home runs and 102 RBIs. He also led the Cardinals in several offensive categories, including hits and slugging percentage.

Jordan Walker is a problem. He has to hit much better or else.
n 2025, Jordan Walker played 111 games, achieving a batting average of .215 with 78 hits, 6 home runs, and 41 RBIs. His on-base percentage was .278, and his slugging percentage was .306, contributing to an OPS of .584 over the season.

Pedro Pages is a problem.
2025 season stats

AVG
.230
HR
11
150+
RBI
45
150+
OPS
.635

Victor Scott is a problem.
In the 2025 season, Victor Scott II played 138 games, achieving a batting average of .216 with 5 home runs and 37 RBIs. He also recorded 34 stolen bases, showcasing his speed on the field.
Better than Siani but still not enough.

The major problem is pitching.

Arenado was a problem in 2025.

He was nowhere near the numbers you posted

[scoutyjones2]

-Previous team (managed by a catcher) didn’t want anything to do with him as a catcher or person (routinely destroyed expensive clubhouse property)
-Division rival got his younger, better, cheaper brother (who actually catches)
-Post-prime signing of a .250ish hitter who maxes out at 20ish Hrs.

No 1B didn’t improve anything offensively, still topped out at his career ceiling norms.

-Couldn’t catch
-Couldn’t hit for significant power

-rage = leadership (apparently to CardsTalk dummies)

Admit at least that the signing was a total failure.

If you can admit the obvious maybe you can go a little further and admit how totally wrong you were. Yes, you. Yep, you. 99.9% of this board has been full supporters and optimistic hope hopers hoping this guy actually makes a difference and for some delusional reason people thought he’d exceed the production of his prime well into his post-prime.

This was a stupidly dumb waste of money and playing time investment in others.

He was a problem from day one not knowing how to call a game and then he just got in the way as a DH.

No. Stop. Rewire your brain. Let the growth of character flow through you.

Stop resisting. Let it overwhelm your ego.

Now admit.

First, learn to spell his name.

I'll admit you have quite a slant to your post.

WillyCon is nowhere in the list of concerns as a Cardinal.

He outhit his younger brother last year, and led the Cards for HRs and RBIs, as well as the only leader on the team.

[CCard]

-Previous team (managed by a catcher) didn’t want anything to do with him as a catcher or person (routinely destroyed expensive clubhouse property)
-Division rival got his younger, better, cheaper brother (who actually catches)
-Post-prime signing of a .250ish hitter who maxes out at 20ish Hrs.

No 1B didn’t improve anything offensively, still topped out at his career ceiling norms.

-Couldn’t catch
-Couldn’t hit for significant power

-rage = leadership (apparently to CardsTalk dummies)

Admit at least that the signing was a total failure.

If you can admit the obvious maybe you can go a little further and admit how totally wrong you were. Yes, you. Yep, you. 99.9% of this board has been full supporters and optimistic hope hopers hoping this guy actually makes a difference and for some delusional reason people thought he’d exceed the production of his prime well into his post-prime.

This was a stupidly dumb waste of money and playing time investment in others.

He was a problem from day one not knowing how to call a game and then he just got in the way as a DH.

No. Stop. Rewire your brain. Let the growth of character flow through you.

Stop resisting. Let it overwhelm your ego.

Now admit.

In the 2025 MLB season, Willson Contreras had a batting average of .257, with 20 home runs and 67 RBIs over 490 at-bats. He also recorded a .344 on-base percentage and a .447 slugging percentage, contributing to an OPS of .791.

Wilson wasn't the problem.

Lars Nootbaar, an outfielder for the St. Louis Cardinals, has a career batting average of .242, with 58 home runs and 194 runs batted in as of the end of the 2025 season. In 2025, he played 135 games, hitting .234 with 13 home runs and 48 RBIs.

Arenado wasn't the problem.
In 2025, Nolan Arenado played 152 games, achieving a batting average of .293 with 30 home runs and 102 RBIs. He also led the Cardinals in several offensive categories, including hits and slugging percentage.

Jordan Walker is a problem. He has to hit much better or else.
n 2025, Jordan Walker played 111 games, achieving a batting average of .215 with 78 hits, 6 home runs, and 41 RBIs. His on-base percentage was .278, and his slugging percentage was .306, contributing to an OPS of .584 over the season.

Pedro Pages is a problem.
2025 season stats

AVG
.230
HR
11
150+
RBI
45
150+
OPS
.635

Victor Scott is a problem.
In the 2025 season, Victor Scott II played 138 games, achieving a batting average of .216 with 5 home runs and 37 RBIs. He also recorded 34 stolen bases, showcasing his speed on the field.
Better than Siani but still not enough.

The major problem is pitching.

Arenado was a problem in 2025.

He was nowhere near the numbers you posted

You are correct. That's what I get for cutting and pasting AI bull. He definitely was a problem. I thought the numbers seemed high but I trusted AI and didn't double check. I stand corrected and apologize for the mistake. Arenado was indeed a problem in 2025.

[rockondlouie]

Uhhhhh, no

WillyC has been a positive signing from Day 1, as a Cardinal:

.817 OPS
127 OPS+

Great teammate, leader, now even an above average defensive 1st baseman on a very reasonable contract.

I'm going to hate to see WillyC go if/when he's traded.

[cardstatman]

Contreras has been arguably the Cardinals best player of the 2023-2025 Contreras era.

His supporting cast has been subpar. The team's overall record was 232-254 which is a disaster by STL standards.

Too few homegrown players with significant positive contributions.
Too few acquired players with significant positive contributions.
The team has been selling for the future the entire 3 years and now has a highly ranked farm system. No results yet but some future hope.
Supposedly, they will more aggressively sell this offseason. So far, only Gray is gone.

300+ plate appearances or batters faced
2023-2025 Cardinals leaders in fWAR

8.2 1416 Contreras $66M value delivered --- for sale
7.5 1538 Donovan --- for sale
7.4 1424 Gray $59M value delivered --- sold for Fitts and Clarke
6.8 1683 Arenado $54M value delivered --- for sale
6.3 1311 Winn
5.7 1491 Nootbar --- for sale
5.3 2249 Mikolas $42M value delivered --- gone via FA
5.1 0755 Herrera
4.6 1341 Goldschmidt $37M value delivered --- gone via FA
4.2 0569 Helsley --- sold for Jesus Baez, Dohm, and Elissalt
3.2 0866 Matz $25M value delivered --- sold for Blaze Jordan
2.9 1281 Liberatore
2.6 0509 Montgomery --- gone via FA
2.4 0528 Edman --- sold
2.4 1268 Gorman
2.4 1526 Pallante
2.2 1488 Burleson
2.0 0607 Pages
2.0 0645 Romero
1.6 0485 Flaherty --- sold for Rom, Prieto, Showalter
1.5 0306 DeJong --- sold for Svanson
1.5 0569 Leahy
1.5 0486 McGreevy
1.4 0722 Gibson $11M value delivered --- gone via FA
1.3 0618 Scott
1.3 0511 Lynn $11M value delivered --- gone via FA
0.9 0358 Siani
0.9 0670 Fedde --- sold for nothing
0.8 0370 Thompson
0.5 0347 Saggese
0.4 0425 Fernandez
0.3 0354 Hudson - gone via FA
0.0 0546 King --- gone via FA
-0.2 0323 Gallegos --- released
-0.4 0484 Wainwright -$3.1M value delivered --- gone via FA
-0.8 0393 Carlson --- sold for nothing
-0.9 1039 Walker

[Cusecards]

-Previous team (managed by a catcher) didn’t want anything to do with him as a catcher or person (routinely destroyed expensive clubhouse property)
-Division rival got his younger, better, cheaper brother (who actually catches)
-Post-prime signing of a .250ish hitter who maxes out at 20ish Hrs.

No 1B didn’t improve anything offensively, still topped out at his career ceiling norms.

-Couldn’t catch
-Couldn’t hit for significant power

-rage = leadership (apparently to CardsTalk dummies)

Admit at least that the signing was a total failure.

If you can admit the obvious maybe you can go a little further and admit how totally wrong you were. Yes, you. Yep, you. 99.9% of this board has been full supporters and optimistic hope hopers hoping this guy actually makes a difference and for some delusional reason people thought he’d exceed the production of his prime well into his post-prime.

This was a stupidly dumb waste of money and playing time investment in others.

He was a problem from day one not knowing how to call a game and then he just got in the way as a DH.

No. Stop. Rewire your brain. Let the growth of character flow through you.

Stop resisting. Let it overwhelm your ego.

Now admit.

I admit you’re an idiot.

The “anonymous” Internet can provide a worthwhile forum like CT where 80/90% of the posters engage in constructive dialogue and can agree to disagree.
But the “anonymous” nature of CT unfortunately leaves itself wide open to posters such as the OP who are only capable of spewing their nonsense while hiding behind a computer.
As my Dad used to say....”If the OP was in public, he wouldn’t say [shirt] if he had a mouth full of it”!

[11WSChamps]

-Previous team (managed by a catcher) didn’t want anything to do with him as a catcher or person (routinely destroyed expensive clubhouse property)
-Division rival got his younger, better, cheaper brother (who actually catches)
-Post-prime signing of a .250ish hitter who maxes out at 20ish Hrs.

No 1B didn’t improve anything offensively, still topped out at his career ceiling norms.

-Couldn’t catch
-Couldn’t hit for significant power

-rage = leadership (apparently to CardsTalk dummies)

Admit at least that the signing was a total failure.

If you can admit the obvious maybe you can go a little further and admit how totally wrong you were. Yes, you. Yep, you. 99.9% of this board has been full supporters and optimistic hope hopers hoping this guy actually makes a difference and for some delusional reason people thought he’d exceed the production of his prime well into his post-prime.

This was a stupidly dumb waste of money and playing time investment in others.

He was a problem from day one not knowing how to call a game and then he just got in the way as a DH.

No. Stop. Rewire your brain. Let the growth of character flow through you.

Stop resisting. Let it overwhelm your ego.

Now admit.

I admit you’re an idiot.

Ditto.

[scoutyjones2]

-Previous team (managed by a catcher) didn’t want anything to do with him as a catcher or person (routinely destroyed expensive clubhouse property)
-Division rival got his younger, better, cheaper brother (who actually catches)
-Post-prime signing of a .250ish hitter who maxes out at 20ish Hrs.

No 1B didn’t improve anything offensively, still topped out at his career ceiling norms.

-Couldn’t catch
-Couldn’t hit for significant power

-rage = leadership (apparently to CardsTalk dummies)

Admit at least that the signing was a total failure.

If you can admit the obvious maybe you can go a little further and admit how totally wrong you were. Yes, you. Yep, you. 99.9% of this board has been full supporters and optimistic hope hopers hoping this guy actually makes a difference and for some delusional reason people thought he’d exceed the production of his prime well into his post-prime.

This was a stupidly dumb waste of money and playing time investment in others.

He was a problem from day one not knowing how to call a game and then he just got in the way as a DH.

No. Stop. Rewire your brain. Let the growth of character flow through you.

Stop resisting. Let it overwhelm your ego.

Now admit.

In the 2025 MLB season, Willson Contreras had a batting average of .257, with 20 home runs and 67 RBIs over 490 at-bats. He also recorded a .344 on-base percentage and a .447 slugging percentage, contributing to an OPS of .791.

Wilson wasn't the problem.

Lars Nootbaar, an outfielder for the St. Louis Cardinals, has a career batting average of .242, with 58 home runs and 194 runs batted in as of the end of the 2025 season. In 2025, he played 135 games, hitting .234 with 13 home runs and 48 RBIs.

Arenado wasn't the problem.
In 2025, Nolan Arenado played 152 games, achieving a batting average of .293 with 30 home runs and 102 RBIs. He also led the Cardinals in several offensive categories, including hits and slugging percentage.

Jordan Walker is a problem. He has to hit much better or else.
n 2025, Jordan Walker played 111 games, achieving a batting average of .215 with 78 hits, 6 home runs, and 41 RBIs. His on-base percentage was .278, and his slugging percentage was .306, contributing to an OPS of .584 over the season.

Pedro Pages is a problem.
2025 season stats

AVG
.230
HR
11
150+
RBI
45
150+
OPS
.635

Victor Scott is a problem.
In the 2025 season, Victor Scott II played 138 games, achieving a batting average of .216 with 5 home runs and 37 RBIs. He also recorded 34 stolen bases, showcasing his speed on the field.
Better than Siani but still not enough.

The major problem is pitching.

Arenado was a problem in 2025.

He was nowhere near the numbers you posted

You are correct. That's what I get for cutting and pasting AI bull. He definitely was a problem. I thought the numbers seemed high but I trusted AI and didn't double check. I stand corrected and apologize for the mistake. Arenado was indeed a problem in 2025.

No worries...it happens. AI isn't as smart as it is pimped to be...yet

[scoutyjones2]

-Previous team (managed by a catcher) didn’t want anything to do with him as a catcher or person (routinely destroyed expensive clubhouse property)
-Division rival got his younger, better, cheaper brother (who actually catches)
-Post-prime signing of a .250ish hitter who maxes out at 20ish Hrs.

No 1B didn’t improve anything offensively, still topped out at his career ceiling norms.

-Couldn’t catch
-Couldn’t hit for significant power

-rage = leadership (apparently to CardsTalk dummies)

Admit at least that the signing was a total failure.

If you can admit the obvious maybe you can go a little further and admit how totally wrong you were. Yes, you. Yep, you. 99.9% of this board has been full supporters and optimistic hope hopers hoping this guy actually makes a difference and for some delusional reason people thought he’d exceed the production of his prime well into his post-prime.

This was a stupidly dumb waste of money and playing time investment in others.

He was a problem from day one not knowing how to call a game and then he just got in the way as a DH.

No. Stop. Rewire your brain. Let the growth of character flow through you.

Stop resisting. Let it overwhelm your ego.

Now admit.

I admit you’re an idiot.

The “anonymous” Internet can provide a worthwhile forum like CT where 80/90% of the posters engage in constructive dialogue and can agree to disagree.
But the “anonymous” nature of CT unfortunately leaves itself wide open to posters such as the OP who are only capable of spewing their nonsense while hiding behind a computer.
As my Dad used to say....”If the OP was in public, he wouldn’t say [shirt] if he had a mouth full of it”!

that's all of social media, not just CT. Destroying our society.