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If the Royals were offering Cameron+ a deal would already be done. A young emerging ace with several years of control for two years of Donovan doesn’t make sense. Acquiring Donovan is a win now move while trading Cameron and severely weakening their rotation is counterproductive. I guess I can hope they’re stupid like that.Galatians221jb1 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 15:25 pm https://x.com/mlbaseball_live/status/19 ... 64232?s=46
Article says “plus” Noah Cameron. Pitches well in his first season with Royals. 9-7 with a 2.99 era
A good starting point IMO and not a bad end point.Galatians221jb1 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 15:25 pm https://x.com/mlbaseball_live/status/19 ... 64232?s=46
Article says “plus” Noah Cameron. Pitches well in his first season with Royals. 9-7 with a 2.99 era
Not disagreeing.CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 15:35 pmIf the Royals were offering Cameron+ a deal would already be done. A young emerging ace with several years of control for two years of Donovan doesn’t make sense. Acquiring Donovan is a win now move while trading Cameron and severely weakening their rotation is counterproductive. I guess I can hope they’re stupid like that.Galatians221jb1 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 15:25 pm https://x.com/mlbaseball_live/status/19 ... 64232?s=46
Article says “plus” Noah Cameron. Pitches well in his first season with Royals. 9-7 with a 2.99 era
I could see that being the case from the Card’s perspective, though I still personally think they should jump all over it if true.renostl wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 15:53 pmNot disagreeing.CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 15:35 pmIf the Royals were offering Cameron+ a deal would already be done. A young emerging ace with several years of control for two years of Donovan doesn’t make sense. Acquiring Donovan is a win now move while trading Cameron and severely weakening their rotation is counterproductive. I guess I can hope they’re stupid like that.Galatians221jb1 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 15:25 pm https://x.com/mlbaseball_live/status/19 ... 64232?s=46
Article says “plus” Noah Cameron. Pitches well in his first season with Royals. 9-7 with a 2.99 era
The state of the game and what the Cards have chased so far is velocity.
They, the Cards, might see more ideal target in their assessment anyway.
Two young veterans who have gone through the growing pains from adjusting to MLB, have proven they belong, and also still have time, talent, and room for improvement seems like that good foundation you’ve been talking about, at least as far as the rotation is concerned. And we don’t have to wait 5 years for any payoff. Maybe they wouldn’t make up the front end but possibly a very solid middle.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 15:50 pm The "plus" had better be substantial.
In 2025:
Cameron - 7.42 K/9, 2.80 BB/9, 1.17 HR/9, 4.18 FIP
Liberatore - 7.24 K/9, 2.37 BB/9, 1.13 HR/9, 4.03 FIP
And Cameron is actually 3 months older than Liberatore.
I'd like a lot more upside than a FV 45 guy who projects as basically a #4 SP for six years of team control.
BTV has Cameron +26 vs. Donovan +32, and if there is a bidding war for Donovan I'd expect the Cardinals to extract somewhat more than his value, not less.
I’m not so sure Cameron is an ace. Number two upside but probably a number three on a good team. KC would still have Ragans, Bubic, Wacha, Lugo plus Bergert and Kolek. Their rotation is fine if they trade someone from it.CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 15:35 pmIf the Royals were offering Cameron+ a deal would already be done. A young emerging ace with several years of control for two years of Donovan doesn’t make sense. Acquiring Donovan is a win now move while trading Cameron and severely weakening their rotation is counterproductive. I guess I can hope they’re stupid like that.Galatians221jb1 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 15:25 pm https://x.com/mlbaseball_live/status/19 ... 64232?s=46
Article says “plus” Noah Cameron. Pitches well in his first season with Royals. 9-7 with a 2.99 era
Didn't their GM say something to the effect that they have pitching depth and wereCorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 16:01 pmI could see that being the case from the Card’s perspective, though I still personally think they should jump all over it if true.renostl wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 15:53 pmNot disagreeing.CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 15:35 pmIf the Royals were offering Cameron+ a deal would already be done. A young emerging ace with several years of control for two years of Donovan doesn’t make sense. Acquiring Donovan is a win now move while trading Cameron and severely weakening their rotation is counterproductive. I guess I can hope they’re stupid like that.Galatians221jb1 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 15:25 pm https://x.com/mlbaseball_live/status/19 ... 64232?s=46
Article says “plus” Noah Cameron. Pitches well in his first season with Royals. 9-7 with a 2.99 era
The state of the game and what the Cards have chased so far is velocity.
They, the Cards, might see more ideal target in their assessment anyway.
I don’t see it as a sensible strategy on KC’s part though if they were to make that deal. Seems counterproductive.
I figured their GM meant trading from the depth accumulating in their minor leagues, but I hope your take is the right one. If he wants to trade a young starter with 5 years of control who had an ERA under 3 in his first season for two years of Donovan the Cards should let him and not get overly greedy in the add ins.renostl wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 16:33 pmDidn't their GM say something to the effect that they have pitching depth and wereCorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 16:01 pmI could see that being the case from the Card’s perspective, though I still personally think they should jump all over it if true.renostl wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 15:53 pmNot disagreeing.CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 15:35 pmIf the Royals were offering Cameron+ a deal would already be done. A young emerging ace with several years of control for two years of Donovan doesn’t make sense. Acquiring Donovan is a win now move while trading Cameron and severely weakening their rotation is counterproductive. I guess I can hope they’re stupid like that.Galatians221jb1 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 15:25 pm https://x.com/mlbaseball_live/status/19 ... 64232?s=46
Article says “plus” Noah Cameron. Pitches well in his first season with Royals. 9-7 with a 2.99 era
The state of the game and what the Cards have chased so far is velocity.
They, the Cards, might see more ideal target in their assessment anyway.
I don’t see it as a sensible strategy on KC’s part though if they were to make that deal. Seems counterproductive.
prepared to deal from it?
Cameron with his years of control are part of what creates the depth IMO.
But we need not agree with the GM. Still we'll need to see the "adds"
If that was the offer it would be stupid for bloom to immediately take instead of asking the other teams if they can or are willing to top it and then negotiating from there. And like someone else said the royals said they are willing to trade from their rotation depthCorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 15:35 pmIf the Royals were offering Cameron+ a deal would already be done. A young emerging ace with several years of control for two years of Donovan doesn’t make sense. Acquiring Donovan is a win now move while trading Cameron and severely weakening their rotation is counterproductive. I guess I can hope they’re stupid like that.Galatians221jb1 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 15:25 pm https://x.com/mlbaseball_live/status/19 ... 64232?s=46
Article says “plus” Noah Cameron. Pitches well in his first season with Royals. 9-7 with a 2.99 era
He probably would prefer to give up lessCorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 16:49 pmI figured their GM meant trading from the depth accumulating in their minor leagues, but I hope your take is the right one. If he wants to trade a young starter with 5 years of control who had an ERA under 3 in his first season for two years of Donovan the Cards should let him and not get overly greedy in the add ins.renostl wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 16:33 pmDidn't their GM say something to the effect that they have pitching depth and wereCorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 16:01 pmI could see that being the case from the Card’s perspective, though I still personally think they should jump all over it if true.renostl wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 15:53 pmNot disagreeing.CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 15:35 pmIf the Royals were offering Cameron+ a deal would already be done. A young emerging ace with several years of control for two years of Donovan doesn’t make sense. Acquiring Donovan is a win now move while trading Cameron and severely weakening their rotation is counterproductive. I guess I can hope they’re stupid like that.Galatians221jb1 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 15:25 pm https://x.com/mlbaseball_live/status/19 ... 64232?s=46
Article says “plus” Noah Cameron. Pitches well in his first season with Royals. 9-7 with a 2.99 era
The state of the game and what the Cards have chased so far is velocity.
They, the Cards, might see more ideal target in their assessment anyway.
I don’t see it as a sensible strategy on KC’s part though if they were to make that deal. Seems counterproductive.
prepared to deal from it?
Cameron with his years of control are part of what creates the depth IMO.
But we need not agree with the GM. Still we'll need to see the "adds"
I don’t put much stock in BTV unless there is just some huge gap which would be an obvious bad trade
anyway. Better than losing Donovan for a lottery ticket, which I consider 90% of minor leaguers to be.
You're good at what you do.dgoold wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 16:49 pm This forum is on the Post-Dispatch web site, so if you're interested in the article and reporting that spawned content elsewhere, it's available here, from Sunday morning's Post-Dispatch: https://www.stltoday.com/sports/profess ... =mp-sports
Some of the other reporting was also featured in a podcast that posted Friday afternoon. That too is available in this site.
Thanks for reading.