Noah Cameron is rumored for Donovan

[Galatians221jb1]

https://x.com/mlbaseball_live/status/19 ... 64232?s=46

Article says “plus” Noah Cameron. Pitches well in his first season with Royals. 9-7 with a 2.99 era

[CorneliusWolfe]

https://x.com/mlbaseball_live/status/19 ... 64232?s=46

Article says “plus” Noah Cameron. Pitches well in his first season with Royals. 9-7 with a 2.99 era

If the Royals were offering Cameron+ a deal would already be done. A young emerging ace with several years of control for two years of Donovan doesn’t make sense. Acquiring Donovan is a win now move while trading Cameron and severely weakening their rotation is counterproductive. I guess I can hope they’re stupid like that.

[renostl]

https://x.com/mlbaseball_live/status/19 ... 64232?s=46

Article says “plus” Noah Cameron. Pitches well in his first season with Royals. 9-7 with a 2.99 era

A good starting point IMO and not a bad end point.
A LH McGreevy with similar control time of the player. #4 in ROY. 26 y/o
Add Kudrna or Chourio call it a day.

[Hoosier59]

I can certainly see the Cardinals asking for Cameron, but the Royals offing him? Well, I guess, maybe, sorta! Probably not!

[mattmitchl44]

The "plus" had better be substantial.

In 2025:

Cameron - 7.42 K/9, 2.80 BB/9, 1.17 HR/9, 4.18 FIP
Liberatore - 7.24 K/9, 2.37 BB/9, 1.13 HR/9, 4.03 FIP

And Cameron is actually 3 months older than Liberatore.

I'd like a lot more upside than a FV 45 guy who projects as basically a #4 SP for six years of team control.

BTV has Cameron +26 vs. Donovan +32, and if there is a bidding war for Donovan I'd expect the Cardinals to extract somewhat more than his value, not less.

[renostl]

https://x.com/mlbaseball_live/status/19 ... 64232?s=46

Article says “plus” Noah Cameron. Pitches well in his first season with Royals. 9-7 with a 2.99 era

If the Royals were offering Cameron+ a deal would already be done. A young emerging ace with several years of control for two years of Donovan doesn’t make sense. Acquiring Donovan is a win now move while trading Cameron and severely weakening their rotation is counterproductive. I guess I can hope they’re stupid like that.

Not disagreeing.
The state of the game and what the Cards have chased so far is velocity.

They, the Cards, might see more ideal target in their assessment anyway.

[CorneliusWolfe]

https://x.com/mlbaseball_live/status/19 ... 64232?s=46

Article says “plus” Noah Cameron. Pitches well in his first season with Royals. 9-7 with a 2.99 era

If the Royals were offering Cameron+ a deal would already be done. A young emerging ace with several years of control for two years of Donovan doesn’t make sense. Acquiring Donovan is a win now move while trading Cameron and severely weakening their rotation is counterproductive. I guess I can hope they’re stupid like that.

Not disagreeing.
The state of the game and what the Cards have chased so far is velocity.

They, the Cards, might see more ideal target in their assessment anyway.

I could see that being the case from the Card’s perspective, though I still personally think they should jump all over it if true.

I don’t see it as a sensible strategy on KC’s part though if they were to make that deal. Seems counterproductive.

[CorneliusWolfe]

The "plus" had better be substantial.

In 2025:

Cameron - 7.42 K/9, 2.80 BB/9, 1.17 HR/9, 4.18 FIP
Liberatore - 7.24 K/9, 2.37 BB/9, 1.13 HR/9, 4.03 FIP

And Cameron is actually 3 months older than Liberatore.

I'd like a lot more upside than a FV 45 guy who projects as basically a #4 SP for six years of team control.

BTV has Cameron +26 vs. Donovan +32, and if there is a bidding war for Donovan I'd expect the Cardinals to extract somewhat more than his value, not less.

Two young veterans who have gone through the growing pains from adjusting to MLB, have proven they belong, and also still have time, talent, and room for improvement seems like that good foundation you’ve been talking about, at least as far as the rotation is concerned. And we don’t have to wait 5 years for any payoff. Maybe they wouldn’t make up the front end but possibly a very solid middle.

Add Doyle and a solid veteran and that leaves just enough room for Matthews or another good prospect to break in by earning it.

[LCA1951]

More certainty from both Libby and Cameron is needed.

[cardinalsfan27]

https://x.com/mlbaseball_live/status/19 ... 64232?s=46

Article says “plus” Noah Cameron. Pitches well in his first season with Royals. 9-7 with a 2.99 era

If the Royals were offering Cameron+ a deal would already be done. A young emerging ace with several years of control for two years of Donovan doesn’t make sense. Acquiring Donovan is a win now move while trading Cameron and severely weakening their rotation is counterproductive. I guess I can hope they’re stupid like that.

I’m not so sure Cameron is an ace. Number two upside but probably a number three on a good team. KC would still have Ragans, Bubic, Wacha, Lugo plus Bergert and Kolek. Their rotation is fine if they trade someone from it.

[renostl]

https://x.com/mlbaseball_live/status/19 ... 64232?s=46

Article says “plus” Noah Cameron. Pitches well in his first season with Royals. 9-7 with a 2.99 era

If the Royals were offering Cameron+ a deal would already be done. A young emerging ace with several years of control for two years of Donovan doesn’t make sense. Acquiring Donovan is a win now move while trading Cameron and severely weakening their rotation is counterproductive. I guess I can hope they’re stupid like that.

Not disagreeing.
The state of the game and what the Cards have chased so far is velocity.

They, the Cards, might see more ideal target in their assessment anyway.

I could see that being the case from the Card’s perspective, though I still personally think they should jump all over it if true.

I don’t see it as a sensible strategy on KC’s part though if they were to make that deal. Seems counterproductive.

Didn't their GM say something to the effect that they have pitching depth and were
prepared to deal from it?

Cameron with his years of control are part of what creates the depth IMO.
But we need not agree with the GM. Still we'll need to see the "adds"

[CorneliusWolfe]

https://x.com/mlbaseball_live/status/19 ... 64232?s=46

Article says “plus” Noah Cameron. Pitches well in his first season with Royals. 9-7 with a 2.99 era

If the Royals were offering Cameron+ a deal would already be done. A young emerging ace with several years of control for two years of Donovan doesn’t make sense. Acquiring Donovan is a win now move while trading Cameron and severely weakening their rotation is counterproductive. I guess I can hope they’re stupid like that.

Not disagreeing.
The state of the game and what the Cards have chased so far is velocity.

They, the Cards, might see more ideal target in their assessment anyway.

I could see that being the case from the Card’s perspective, though I still personally think they should jump all over it if true.

I don’t see it as a sensible strategy on KC’s part though if they were to make that deal. Seems counterproductive.

Didn't their GM say something to the effect that they have pitching depth and were
prepared to deal from it?

Cameron with his years of control are part of what creates the depth IMO.
But we need not agree with the GM. Still we'll need to see the "adds"

I figured their GM meant trading from the depth accumulating in their minor leagues, but I hope your take is the right one. If he wants to trade a young starter with 5 years of control who had an ERA under 3 in his first season for two years of Donovan the Cards should let him and not get overly greedy in the add ins.

I don’t put much stock in BTV unless there is just some huge gap which would be an obvious bad trade
anyway. Better than losing Donovan for a lottery ticket, which I consider 90% of minor leaguers to be.

[dgoold]

This forum is on the Post-Dispatch web site, so if you're interested in the article and reporting that spawned content elsewhere, it's available here, from Sunday morning's Post-Dispatch: https://www.stltoday.com/sports/profess ... =mp-sports

Some of the other reporting was also featured in a podcast that posted Friday afternoon. That too is available in this site.

Thanks for reading.

[Ozziesfan41]

https://x.com/mlbaseball_live/status/19 ... 64232?s=46

Article says “plus” Noah Cameron. Pitches well in his first season with Royals. 9-7 with a 2.99 era

If the Royals were offering Cameron+ a deal would already be done. A young emerging ace with several years of control for two years of Donovan doesn’t make sense. Acquiring Donovan is a win now move while trading Cameron and severely weakening their rotation is counterproductive. I guess I can hope they’re stupid like that.

If that was the offer it would be stupid for bloom to immediately take instead of asking the other teams if they can or are willing to top it and then negotiating from there. And like someone else said the royals said they are willing to trade from their rotation depth

[renostl]

https://x.com/mlbaseball_live/status/19 ... 64232?s=46

Article says “plus” Noah Cameron. Pitches well in his first season with Royals. 9-7 with a 2.99 era

If the Royals were offering Cameron+ a deal would already be done. A young emerging ace with several years of control for two years of Donovan doesn’t make sense. Acquiring Donovan is a win now move while trading Cameron and severely weakening their rotation is counterproductive. I guess I can hope they’re stupid like that.

Not disagreeing.
The state of the game and what the Cards have chased so far is velocity.

They, the Cards, might see more ideal target in their assessment anyway.

I could see that being the case from the Card’s perspective, though I still personally think they should jump all over it if true.

I don’t see it as a sensible strategy on KC’s part though if they were to make that deal. Seems counterproductive.

Didn't their GM say something to the effect that they have pitching depth and were
prepared to deal from it?

Cameron with his years of control are part of what creates the depth IMO.
But we need not agree with the GM. Still we'll need to see the "adds"

I figured their GM meant trading from the depth accumulating in their minor leagues, but I hope your take is the right one. If he wants to trade a young starter with 5 years of control who had an ERA under 3 in his first season for two years of Donovan the Cards should let him and not get overly greedy in the add ins.

I don’t put much stock in BTV unless there is just some huge gap which would be an obvious bad trade
anyway. Better than losing Donovan for a lottery ticket, which I consider 90% of minor leaguers to be.

He probably would prefer to give up less
and if that was working in acquiring better than the India's of the
world he would continue that road.

We'll see how it plays out and what
the Cardinals see. Is future potential valued over contributions now and for
5 seasons?

[renostl]

This forum is on the Post-Dispatch web site, so if you're interested in the article and reporting that spawned content elsewhere, it's available here, from Sunday morning's Post-Dispatch: https://www.stltoday.com/sports/profess ... =mp-sports

Some of the other reporting was also featured in a podcast that posted Friday afternoon. That too is available in this site.

Thanks for reading.

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