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Why do we care what a player gets paid?
Do we care what a Movie Star gets paid?
A Opera performer
Race car driver-Owner?
If it is a good product, we spend our money on it. We watch all the terrible commercials.
If it is a BAD Product, We have the STL Cardinals MLB team, and we do not watch the commercials!

With MLB shutting down again! maybe the Cards timed this right. Let MLB go away for a while. Then come back with a 10-year contract and a CAP $$$$
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I don't care what any player gets paid.

But what I do care about is what player salaries do to the Cardinals ability to put a competitive team on the field with a finite amount of money.
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I don't care about how much they get paid, I care about what percentage of the revenue they get for the product they're mostly responsible for producing. Whoops there I go being political again (probably, by the mod standards here :roll: )
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I care greatly when their performance does not measure up to the amount getting paid. Superstar $$ demand superstar performance.
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Dodgers
Yanks
Mets
Padres
Braves
cubs (kinda)
Giants
Mariners
Blue Jays

If you are going to play with the big boys:
If you are going to charge $ with the big boys:

If this team did not have Albert when we did---- PITT.
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mattmitchl44 wrote: 05 Dec 2025 15:18 pm I don't care what any player gets paid.

But what I do care about is what player salaries do to the Cardinals ability to put a competitive team on the field with a finite amount of money.
This is exactly correct. Too many teams can’t compete with some of the owners who are so filthy rich that their teams payrolls are just dump change to them. There’s no doubt some owners could definitely spend more, but choose not to. The run their teams on a budget, where they actually spend any of their own money. ( DeWitt)
The owners of the Dodgers, and Cohen of the Mets, will spend whatever they think they need to that will make their teams better. There has to be either a salary cap and a salary floor, or some kind of a more equal revenue sharing to make the playing field more even.
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earp wrote: 05 Dec 2025 18:11 pm Dodgers
Yanks
Mets
Padres
Braves
cubs (kinda)
Giants
Mariners
Blue Jays

If you are going to play with the big boys:
If you are going to charge $ with the big boys:

If this team did not have Albert when we did---- PITT.
It is difficult to find exact tv revenues by team. But, the Dodgers were reported to have non-national tv revenues of $300M+ for 2025 compared to the Cards $55M. The Yankees, Mets, Phillies were all in excess of $100M and maybe much more.

The Cardinals will never compete with the Dodgers, Yankees or Mets based on revenue and likely never resources provided by the owners either. Unless baseball miraculously puts a salary cap on, that means the Cardinals will be outspent by $100M+ annually by at least those teams if not other teams. Only way to compete will be savvy prospect identification and development and savvy trades. That is a hard way to make a living when those teams are also outspending the Cards on resources in those areas as well. To be honest, the Cards will need to hit a HR every other draft, which based on what we have seen the last 20 years is almost impossible to do.
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ICCFIM2 wrote: 05 Dec 2025 22:47 pm
earp wrote: 05 Dec 2025 18:11 pm Dodgers
Yanks
Mets
Padres
Braves
cubs (kinda)
Giants
Mariners
Blue Jays

If you are going to play with the big boys:
If you are going to charge $ with the big boys:

If this team did not have Albert when we did---- PITT.
It is difficult to find exact tv revenues by team. But, the Dodgers were reported to have non-national tv revenues of $300M+ for 2025 compared to the Cards $55M. The Yankees, Mets, Phillies were all in excess of $100M and maybe much more.

The Cardinals will never compete with the Dodgers, Yankees or Mets based on revenue and likely never resources provided by the owners either. Unless baseball miraculously puts a salary cap on, that means the Cardinals will be outspent by $100M+ annually by at least those teams if not other teams. Only way to compete will be savvy prospect identification and development and savvy trades. That is a hard way to make a living when those teams are also outspending the Cards on resources in those areas as well. To be honest, the Cards will need to hit a HR every other draft, which based on what we have seen the last 20 years is almost impossible to do.
That's why it is so hard to rebuild small room for error. No guarantees high picks will work out. Tons of busts in mlb drsft
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brock118 wrote: 05 Dec 2025 22:59 pm
ICCFIM2 wrote: 05 Dec 2025 22:47 pm
earp wrote: 05 Dec 2025 18:11 pm Dodgers
Yanks
Mets
Padres
Braves
cubs (kinda)
Giants
Mariners
Blue Jays

If you are going to play with the big boys:
If you are going to charge $ with the big boys:

If this team did not have Albert when we did---- PITT.
It is difficult to find exact tv revenues by team. But, the Dodgers were reported to have non-national tv revenues of $300M+ for 2025 compared to the Cards $55M. The Yankees, Mets, Phillies were all in excess of $100M and maybe much more.

The Cardinals will never compete with the Dodgers, Yankees or Mets based on revenue and likely never resources provided by the owners either. Unless baseball miraculously puts a salary cap on, that means the Cardinals will be outspent by $100M+ annually by at least those teams if not other teams. Only way to compete will be savvy prospect identification and development and savvy trades. That is a hard way to make a living when those teams are also outspending the Cards on resources in those areas as well. To be honest, the Cards will need to hit a HR every other draft, which based on what we have seen the last 20 years is almost impossible to do.
That's why it is so hard to rebuild small room for error. No guarantees high picks will work out. Tons of busts in mlb drsft
Certainly that is true. The math from the first trade by Bloom probably points to the equations he is using to win this game. He gave up $10.6M of value in the Gray trade and received $23.7M of value per BTV or $13.1M of excess value. I am guessing by running up the bidding on Donovan, he is trying to receive more than $13.1M of excess value on the Donovan trade, if it happens. Presumably if enough excess value trades are made, the percentage increases that enough of the prospects come through it is a winning situation over time.

Its fascinating looking at all the proposed Donovan trades on BTV right now. Some of the posters have the Cards receiving less back than what they trade away. I can't see 1 single possibility of that happening. Almost all of them equalize out the trade value with a quantity for quality trade. I can't see that happening either.

55 Grade prospects have values all over the place on BTV ranging from about $12M to $30M+. I would guess Bloom is going to try and get 2 55s at least for Donovan if not more with a total BTV somewhere in the $42-48M range. I don't know how many more, if any, trades the Cards have to create that differential. But, if he can get to the same level with Donovan as he did with Gray and maybe another 55 for Contreras, then the Cards have reduced the roster valuation difference over time by $25-40M via trades. Of course they won't all work out. But, if they end up with 5 high end prospects for Donovan, Gray, and Contreras, don't at least 1 or 2 have to work out? Then if 2 or 3 of our current top 7 work out, then you have a core. By working out, I mean a minimum level of 2-3 WAR player consistently.
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ICCFIM2 wrote: 06 Dec 2025 01:23 am
brock118 wrote: 05 Dec 2025 22:59 pm
ICCFIM2 wrote: 05 Dec 2025 22:47 pm
earp wrote: 05 Dec 2025 18:11 pm Dodgers
Yanks
Mets
Padres
Braves
cubs (kinda)
Giants
Mariners
Blue Jays

If you are going to play with the big boys:
If you are going to charge $ with the big boys:

If this team did not have Albert when we did---- PITT.
It is difficult to find exact tv revenues by team. But, the Dodgers were reported to have non-national tv revenues of $300M+ for 2025 compared to the Cards $55M. The Yankees, Mets, Phillies were all in excess of $100M and maybe much more.

The Cardinals will never compete with the Dodgers, Yankees or Mets based on revenue and likely never resources provided by the owners either. Unless baseball miraculously puts a salary cap on, that means the Cardinals will be outspent by $100M+ annually by at least those teams if not other teams. Only way to compete will be savvy prospect identification and development and savvy trades. That is a hard way to make a living when those teams are also outspending the Cards on resources in those areas as well. To be honest, the Cards will need to hit a HR every other draft, which based on what we have seen the last 20 years is almost impossible to do.
That's why it is so hard to rebuild small room for error. No guarantees high picks will work out. Tons of busts in mlb drsft
Certainly that is true. The math from the first trade by Bloom probably points to the equations he is using to win this game. He gave up $10.6M of value in the Gray trade and received $23.7M of value per BTV or $13.1M of excess value. I am guessing by running up the bidding on Donovan, he is trying to receive more than $13.1M of excess value on the Donovan trade, if it happens. Presumably if enough excess value trades are made, the percentage increases that enough of the prospects come through it is a winning situation over time.

Its fascinating looking at all the proposed Donovan trades on BTV right now. Some of the posters have the Cards receiving less back than what they trade away. I can't see 1 single possibility of that happening. Almost all of them equalize out the trade value with a quantity for quality trade. I can't see that happening either.

55 Grade prospects have values all over the place on BTV ranging from about $12M to $30M+. I would guess Bloom is going to try and get 2 55s at least for Donovan if not more with a total BTV somewhere in the $42-48M range. I don't know how many more, if any, trades the Cards have to create that differential. But, if he can get to the same level with Donovan as he did with Gray and maybe another 55 for Contreras, then the Cards have reduced the roster valuation difference over time by $25-40M via trades. Of course they won't all work out. But, if they end up with 5 high end prospects for Donovan, Gray, and Contreras, don't at least 1 or 2 have to work out? Then if 2 or 3 of our current top 7 work out, then you have a core. By working out, I mean a minimum level of 2-3 WAR player consistently.
So do all MLB teams have this BTV book and this is how trades Finalize……..Only if these values somehow align?? The Sox want to win now and required a top of rotation SP. The Cards received a minor leaguer and a bottom rotation starter. Sox don’t care about Grays age or salary wanting to win now. Cards are rebuilding on hope and not MLB production. New Cards players may NEVER produce a MLB return. Completely different NEEDS for each team. So how does this correlate to some BTV value?
And trades are now judged by BTV values??
If Cards prospects produce 0 value going forward and Sonny wins 16games on a WS Boston team next season what’s the BTV???
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Goldfan wrote: 06 Dec 2025 07:44 am
ICCFIM2 wrote: 06 Dec 2025 01:23 am
brock118 wrote: 05 Dec 2025 22:59 pm
ICCFIM2 wrote: 05 Dec 2025 22:47 pm
earp wrote: 05 Dec 2025 18:11 pm Dodgers
Yanks
Mets
Padres
Braves
cubs (kinda)
Giants
Mariners
Blue Jays

If you are going to play with the big boys:
If you are going to charge $ with the big boys:

If this team did not have Albert when we did---- PITT.
It is difficult to find exact tv revenues by team. But, the Dodgers were reported to have non-national tv revenues of $300M+ for 2025 compared to the Cards $55M. The Yankees, Mets, Phillies were all in excess of $100M and maybe much more.

The Cardinals will never compete with the Dodgers, Yankees or Mets based on revenue and likely never resources provided by the owners either. Unless baseball miraculously puts a salary cap on, that means the Cardinals will be outspent by $100M+ annually by at least those teams if not other teams. Only way to compete will be savvy prospect identification and development and savvy trades. That is a hard way to make a living when those teams are also outspending the Cards on resources in those areas as well. To be honest, the Cards will need to hit a HR every other draft, which based on what we have seen the last 20 years is almost impossible to do.
That's why it is so hard to rebuild small room for error. No guarantees high picks will work out. Tons of busts in mlb drsft
Certainly that is true. The math from the first trade by Bloom probably points to the equations he is using to win this game. He gave up $10.6M of value in the Gray trade and received $23.7M of value per BTV or $13.1M of excess value. I am guessing by running up the bidding on Donovan, he is trying to receive more than $13.1M of excess value on the Donovan trade, if it happens. Presumably if enough excess value trades are made, the percentage increases that enough of the prospects come through it is a winning situation over time.

Its fascinating looking at all the proposed Donovan trades on BTV right now. Some of the posters have the Cards receiving less back than what they trade away. I can't see 1 single possibility of that happening. Almost all of them equalize out the trade value with a quantity for quality trade. I can't see that happening either.

55 Grade prospects have values all over the place on BTV ranging from about $12M to $30M+. I would guess Bloom is going to try and get 2 55s at least for Donovan if not more with a total BTV somewhere in the $42-48M range. I don't know how many more, if any, trades the Cards have to create that differential. But, if he can get to the same level with Donovan as he did with Gray and maybe another 55 for Contreras, then the Cards have reduced the roster valuation difference over time by $25-40M via trades. Of course they won't all work out. But, if they end up with 5 high end prospects for Donovan, Gray, and Contreras, don't at least 1 or 2 have to work out? Then if 2 or 3 of our current top 7 work out, then you have a core. By working out, I mean a minimum level of 2-3 WAR player consistently.
So do all MLB teams have this BTV book and this is how trades Finalize……..Only if these values somehow align?? The Sox want to win now and required a top of rotation SP. The Cards received a minor leaguer and a bottom rotation starter. Sox don’t care about Grays age or salary wanting to win now. Cards are rebuilding on hope and not MLB production. New Cards players may NEVER produce a MLB return. Completely different NEEDS for each team. So how does this correlate to some BTV value?
And trades are now judged by BTV values??
If Cards prospects produce 0 value going forward and Sonny wins 16games on a WS Boston team next season what’s the BTV???
Here:

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/

if you look under the "About" drop down menu, you can read up on how they put a value on major and minor league players.
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mattmitchl44 wrote: 06 Dec 2025 07:50 am
Goldfan wrote: 06 Dec 2025 07:44 am
ICCFIM2 wrote: 06 Dec 2025 01:23 am
brock118 wrote: 05 Dec 2025 22:59 pm
ICCFIM2 wrote: 05 Dec 2025 22:47 pm
earp wrote: 05 Dec 2025 18:11 pm Dodgers
Yanks
Mets
Padres
Braves
cubs (kinda)
Giants
Mariners
Blue Jays

If you are going to play with the big boys:
If you are going to charge $ with the big boys:

If this team did not have Albert when we did---- PITT.
It is difficult to find exact tv revenues by team. But, the Dodgers were reported to have non-national tv revenues of $300M+ for 2025 compared to the Cards $55M. The Yankees, Mets, Phillies were all in excess of $100M and maybe much more.

The Cardinals will never compete with the Dodgers, Yankees or Mets based on revenue and likely never resources provided by the owners either. Unless baseball miraculously puts a salary cap on, that means the Cardinals will be outspent by $100M+ annually by at least those teams if not other teams. Only way to compete will be savvy prospect identification and development and savvy trades. That is a hard way to make a living when those teams are also outspending the Cards on resources in those areas as well. To be honest, the Cards will need to hit a HR every other draft, which based on what we have seen the last 20 years is almost impossible to do.
That's why it is so hard to rebuild small room for error. No guarantees high picks will work out. Tons of busts in mlb drsft
Certainly that is true. The math from the first trade by Bloom probably points to the equations he is using to win this game. He gave up $10.6M of value in the Gray trade and received $23.7M of value per BTV or $13.1M of excess value. I am guessing by running up the bidding on Donovan, he is trying to receive more than $13.1M of excess value on the Donovan trade, if it happens. Presumably if enough excess value trades are made, the percentage increases that enough of the prospects come through it is a winning situation over time.

Its fascinating looking at all the proposed Donovan trades on BTV right now. Some of the posters have the Cards receiving less back than what they trade away. I can't see 1 single possibility of that happening. Almost all of them equalize out the trade value with a quantity for quality trade. I can't see that happening either.

55 Grade prospects have values all over the place on BTV ranging from about $12M to $30M+. I would guess Bloom is going to try and get 2 55s at least for Donovan if not more with a total BTV somewhere in the $42-48M range. I don't know how many more, if any, trades the Cards have to create that differential. But, if he can get to the same level with Donovan as he did with Gray and maybe another 55 for Contreras, then the Cards have reduced the roster valuation difference over time by $25-40M via trades. Of course they won't all work out. But, if they end up with 5 high end prospects for Donovan, Gray, and Contreras, don't at least 1 or 2 have to work out? Then if 2 or 3 of our current top 7 work out, then you have a core. By working out, I mean a minimum level of 2-3 WAR player consistently.
So do all MLB teams have this BTV book and this is how trades Finalize……..Only if these values somehow align?? The Sox want to win now and required a top of rotation SP. The Cards received a minor leaguer and a bottom rotation starter. Sox don’t care about Grays age or salary wanting to win now. Cards are rebuilding on hope and not MLB production. New Cards players may NEVER produce a MLB return. Completely different NEEDS for each team. So how does this correlate to some BTV value?
And trades are now judged by BTV values??
If Cards prospects produce 0 value going forward and Sonny wins 16games on a WS Boston team next season what’s the BTV???
Here:

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/

if you look under the "About" drop down menu, you can read up on how they put a value on major and minor league players.
This must be a kissing cousin to WAR
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Goldfan wrote: 06 Dec 2025 07:52 am
mattmitchl44 wrote: 06 Dec 2025 07:50 am
Goldfan wrote: 06 Dec 2025 07:44 am
ICCFIM2 wrote: 06 Dec 2025 01:23 am
brock118 wrote: 05 Dec 2025 22:59 pm
ICCFIM2 wrote: 05 Dec 2025 22:47 pm
earp wrote: 05 Dec 2025 18:11 pm Dodgers
Yanks
Mets
Padres
Braves
cubs (kinda)
Giants
Mariners
Blue Jays

If you are going to play with the big boys:
If you are going to charge $ with the big boys:

If this team did not have Albert when we did---- PITT.
It is difficult to find exact tv revenues by team. But, the Dodgers were reported to have non-national tv revenues of $300M+ for 2025 compared to the Cards $55M. The Yankees, Mets, Phillies were all in excess of $100M and maybe much more.

The Cardinals will never compete with the Dodgers, Yankees or Mets based on revenue and likely never resources provided by the owners either. Unless baseball miraculously puts a salary cap on, that means the Cardinals will be outspent by $100M+ annually by at least those teams if not other teams. Only way to compete will be savvy prospect identification and development and savvy trades. That is a hard way to make a living when those teams are also outspending the Cards on resources in those areas as well. To be honest, the Cards will need to hit a HR every other draft, which based on what we have seen the last 20 years is almost impossible to do.
That's why it is so hard to rebuild small room for error. No guarantees high picks will work out. Tons of busts in mlb drsft
Certainly that is true. The math from the first trade by Bloom probably points to the equations he is using to win this game. He gave up $10.6M of value in the Gray trade and received $23.7M of value per BTV or $13.1M of excess value. I am guessing by running up the bidding on Donovan, he is trying to receive more than $13.1M of excess value on the Donovan trade, if it happens. Presumably if enough excess value trades are made, the percentage increases that enough of the prospects come through it is a winning situation over time.

Its fascinating looking at all the proposed Donovan trades on BTV right now. Some of the posters have the Cards receiving less back than what they trade away. I can't see 1 single possibility of that happening. Almost all of them equalize out the trade value with a quantity for quality trade. I can't see that happening either.

55 Grade prospects have values all over the place on BTV ranging from about $12M to $30M+. I would guess Bloom is going to try and get 2 55s at least for Donovan if not more with a total BTV somewhere in the $42-48M range. I don't know how many more, if any, trades the Cards have to create that differential. But, if he can get to the same level with Donovan as he did with Gray and maybe another 55 for Contreras, then the Cards have reduced the roster valuation difference over time by $25-40M via trades. Of course they won't all work out. But, if they end up with 5 high end prospects for Donovan, Gray, and Contreras, don't at least 1 or 2 have to work out? Then if 2 or 3 of our current top 7 work out, then you have a core. By working out, I mean a minimum level of 2-3 WAR player consistently.
So do all MLB teams have this BTV book and this is how trades Finalize……..Only if these values somehow align?? The Sox want to win now and required a top of rotation SP. The Cards received a minor leaguer and a bottom rotation starter. Sox don’t care about Grays age or salary wanting to win now. Cards are rebuilding on hope and not MLB production. New Cards players may NEVER produce a MLB return. Completely different NEEDS for each team. So how does this correlate to some BTV value?
And trades are now judged by BTV values??
If Cards prospects produce 0 value going forward and Sonny wins 16games on a WS Boston team next season what’s the BTV???
Here:

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/

if you look under the "About" drop down menu, you can read up on how they put a value on major and minor league players.
This must be a kissing cousin to WAR
Well, yeah, they have to calculate the value of a player's on-field production and compare it to his salary to determine what his "surplus value" is. A WAR methodology is the best way to quantify that for every player - in particular when you have to put all position players and pitchers on a common scale.
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mattmitchl44 wrote: 06 Dec 2025 07:50 am
Goldfan wrote: 06 Dec 2025 07:44 am
ICCFIM2 wrote: 06 Dec 2025 01:23 am
brock118 wrote: 05 Dec 2025 22:59 pm
ICCFIM2 wrote: 05 Dec 2025 22:47 pm
earp wrote: 05 Dec 2025 18:11 pm Dodgers
Yanks
Mets
Padres
Braves
cubs (kinda)
Giants
Mariners
Blue Jays

If you are going to play with the big boys:
If you are going to charge $ with the big boys:

If this team did not have Albert when we did---- PITT.
It is difficult to find exact tv revenues by team. But, the Dodgers were reported to have non-national tv revenues of $300M+ for 2025 compared to the Cards $55M. The Yankees, Mets, Phillies were all in excess of $100M and maybe much more.

The Cardinals will never compete with the Dodgers, Yankees or Mets based on revenue and likely never resources provided by the owners either. Unless baseball miraculously puts a salary cap on, that means the Cardinals will be outspent by $100M+ annually by at least those teams if not other teams. Only way to compete will be savvy prospect identification and development and savvy trades. That is a hard way to make a living when those teams are also outspending the Cards on resources in those areas as well. To be honest, the Cards will need to hit a HR every other draft, which based on what we have seen the last 20 years is almost impossible to do.
That's why it is so hard to rebuild small room for error. No guarantees high picks will work out. Tons of busts in mlb drsft
Certainly that is true. The math from the first trade by Bloom probably points to the equations he is using to win this game. He gave up $10.6M of value in the Gray trade and received $23.7M of value per BTV or $13.1M of excess value. I am guessing by running up the bidding on Donovan, he is trying to receive more than $13.1M of excess value on the Donovan trade, if it happens. Presumably if enough excess value trades are made, the percentage increases that enough of the prospects come through it is a winning situation over time.

Its fascinating looking at all the proposed Donovan trades on BTV right now. Some of the posters have the Cards receiving less back than what they trade away. I can't see 1 single possibility of that happening. Almost all of them equalize out the trade value with a quantity for quality trade. I can't see that happening either.

55 Grade prospects have values all over the place on BTV ranging from about $12M to $30M+. I would guess Bloom is going to try and get 2 55s at least for Donovan if not more with a total BTV somewhere in the $42-48M range. I don't know how many more, if any, trades the Cards have to create that differential. But, if he can get to the same level with Donovan as he did with Gray and maybe another 55 for Contreras, then the Cards have reduced the roster valuation difference over time by $25-40M via trades. Of course they won't all work out. But, if they end up with 5 high end prospects for Donovan, Gray, and Contreras, don't at least 1 or 2 have to work out? Then if 2 or 3 of our current top 7 work out, then you have a core. By working out, I mean a minimum level of 2-3 WAR player consistently.
So do all MLB teams have this BTV book and this is how trades Finalize……..Only if these values somehow align?? The Sox want to win now and required a top of rotation SP. The Cards received a minor leaguer and a bottom rotation starter. Sox don’t care about Grays age or salary wanting to win now. Cards are rebuilding on hope and not MLB production. New Cards players may NEVER produce a MLB return. Completely different NEEDS for each team. So how does this correlate to some BTV value?
And trades are now judged by BTV values??
If Cards prospects produce 0 value going forward and Sonny wins 16games on a WS Boston team next season what’s the BTV???
Here:

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/

if you look under the "About" drop down menu, you can read up on how they put a value on major and minor league players.
As I thought….a bunch of assumptions…..projections…..some tied to WAR….over simplification……attempting to spit out a single number that somehow takes in to account the motivation, needs, financial capacity, of one organization vs another organization. I don’t think this is how trades work in the real world.
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mattmitchl44 wrote: 06 Dec 2025 07:54 am
Goldfan wrote: 06 Dec 2025 07:52 am
mattmitchl44 wrote: 06 Dec 2025 07:50 am
Goldfan wrote: 06 Dec 2025 07:44 am
ICCFIM2 wrote: 06 Dec 2025 01:23 am
brock118 wrote: 05 Dec 2025 22:59 pm
ICCFIM2 wrote: 05 Dec 2025 22:47 pm
earp wrote: 05 Dec 2025 18:11 pm Dodgers
Yanks
Mets
Padres
Braves
cubs (kinda)
Giants
Mariners
Blue Jays

If you are going to play with the big boys:
If you are going to charge $ with the big boys:

If this team did not have Albert when we did---- PITT.
It is difficult to find exact tv revenues by team. But, the Dodgers were reported to have non-national tv revenues of $300M+ for 2025 compared to the Cards $55M. The Yankees, Mets, Phillies were all in excess of $100M and maybe much more.

The Cardinals will never compete with the Dodgers, Yankees or Mets based on revenue and likely never resources provided by the owners either. Unless baseball miraculously puts a salary cap on, that means the Cardinals will be outspent by $100M+ annually by at least those teams if not other teams. Only way to compete will be savvy prospect identification and development and savvy trades. That is a hard way to make a living when those teams are also outspending the Cards on resources in those areas as well. To be honest, the Cards will need to hit a HR every other draft, which based on what we have seen the last 20 years is almost impossible to do.
That's why it is so hard to rebuild small room for error. No guarantees high picks will work out. Tons of busts in mlb drsft
Certainly that is true. The math from the first trade by Bloom probably points to the equations he is using to win this game. He gave up $10.6M of value in the Gray trade and received $23.7M of value per BTV or $13.1M of excess value. I am guessing by running up the bidding on Donovan, he is trying to receive more than $13.1M of excess value on the Donovan trade, if it happens. Presumably if enough excess value trades are made, the percentage increases that enough of the prospects come through it is a winning situation over time.

Its fascinating looking at all the proposed Donovan trades on BTV right now. Some of the posters have the Cards receiving less back than what they trade away. I can't see 1 single possibility of that happening. Almost all of them equalize out the trade value with a quantity for quality trade. I can't see that happening either.

55 Grade prospects have values all over the place on BTV ranging from about $12M to $30M+. I would guess Bloom is going to try and get 2 55s at least for Donovan if not more with a total BTV somewhere in the $42-48M range. I don't know how many more, if any, trades the Cards have to create that differential. But, if he can get to the same level with Donovan as he did with Gray and maybe another 55 for Contreras, then the Cards have reduced the roster valuation difference over time by $25-40M via trades. Of course they won't all work out. But, if they end up with 5 high end prospects for Donovan, Gray, and Contreras, don't at least 1 or 2 have to work out? Then if 2 or 3 of our current top 7 work out, then you have a core. By working out, I mean a minimum level of 2-3 WAR player consistently.
So do all MLB teams have this BTV book and this is how trades Finalize……..Only if these values somehow align?? The Sox want to win now and required a top of rotation SP. The Cards received a minor leaguer and a bottom rotation starter. Sox don’t care about Grays age or salary wanting to win now. Cards are rebuilding on hope and not MLB production. New Cards players may NEVER produce a MLB return. Completely different NEEDS for each team. So how does this correlate to some BTV value?
And trades are now judged by BTV values??
If Cards prospects produce 0 value going forward and Sonny wins 16games on a WS Boston team next season what’s the BTV???
Here:

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/

if you look under the "About" drop down menu, you can read up on how they put a value on major and minor league players.
This must be a kissing cousin to WAR
Well, yeah, they have to calculate the value of a player's on-field production and compare it to his salary to determine what his "surplus value" is. A WAR methodology is the best way to quantify that for every player - in particular when you have to put all position players and pitchers on a common scale.
The “value” of a player to Yanks, Sox, LA is completely different than the “value”to the Marlins, PItts, Cincy. So attempting say that the Cards received 13mil excess value in the trade is useless. The value lies in what each teams NEEDS, not some hypothetical number given to each player. Especially a minor league player.
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Re: MLB Salaries

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earp wrote: 05 Dec 2025 15:00 pm Why do we care what a player gets paid?
Do we care what a Movie Star gets paid?
A Opera performer
Race car driver-Owner?
If it is a good product, we spend our money on it. We watch all the terrible commercials.
If it is a BAD Product, We have the STL Cardinals MLB team, and we do not watch the commercials!

With MLB shutting down again! maybe the Cards timed this right. Let MLB go away for a while. Then come back with a 10-year contract and a CAP $$$$
My biggest gripe is fully guaranteed multi-year contracts. Little motivation for players to improve, plus the times when contracts are given based on what later proves to be steroid-aided stats (Braun, Tatis Jr as 2 examples).
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