After 3 awful years now the cards want to rebuild lol

[Web7]

The incompetence of this ownership is very scary

[OldRed]

The incompetence of this ownership is very scary

I've said this all along. Why did they wait? They didn't let it bother them until attendance dropped. NOW it is the big overdue rebuild.

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The incompetence of this ownership is very scary

I've said this all along. Why did they wait? They didn't let it bother them until attendance dropped. NOW it is the big overdue rebuild.

Exactly. That's what makes me suspicious about this so-called rebuild. They're only doing it because attendance has dropped. This idea that they're going to jack up payroll after developing a young core seems like a pipe dream if attendance doesn't rebound first in a big way.

[mattmitchl44]

They kept trying to patch the ML roster to "compete" (what many here continue to call for) until they just couldn't any longer.

As noted long ago, they should have traded Goldschmidt and Arenado at back in July 2023 and started the rebuild at that point.

[Pura Vida]

The incompetence of this ownership is very scary

I've been thinking the same thing. Just dumping salary which is all that's happening signals the team being sold. I really hope that happens as long as the Cards remain in StL.

[ecleme22]

The incompetence of this ownership is very scary

2023: came out of nowhere
2024: actually competed, but couldn’t make up for the regressions of JW, NA and PG.
2025: only signed Maton. Sell off at the deadline.

The cards already started a rebuild about a year ago.

But since offseason 2022 (three years ago), the team has only given up two draft picks (WC, SG), but have accumulated a lot since then.

And if they trade WC, then those draft picks they gave up will be a wash.

Meaning they have only accumulated prospects the last three years.

[OldRed]

The incompetence of this ownership is very scary

2023: came out of nowhere
2024: actually competed, but couldn’t make up for the regressions of JW, NA and PG.
2025: only signed Maton. Sell off at the deadline.

The cards already started a rebuild about a year ago.

But since offseason 2022 (three years ago), the team has only given up two draft picks (WC, SG), but have accumulated a lot since then.

And if they trade WC, then those draft picks they gave up will be a wash.

Meaning they have only accumulated prospects the last three years.

You call finishing 4 games over .500 and 10 games out first competing?

[mattmitchl44]

The incompetence of this ownership is very scary

2023: came out of nowhere
2024: actually competed, but couldn’t make up for the regressions of JW, NA and PG.
2025: only signed Maton. Sell off at the deadline.

The cards already started a rebuild about a year ago.

But since offseason 2022 (three years ago), the team has only given up two draft picks (WC, SG), but have accumulated a lot since then.

And if they trade WC, then those draft picks they gave up will be a wash.

Meaning they have only accumulated prospects the last three years.

I'd point out that 2022, when both Arenado at age 31 (7.2 fWAR) and Goldschmidt at age 34 (6.8 fWAR) had outlier "career years" (along with Pujols' unexpected contributions) to carry the team to maybe six more regular seasons wins than expected, was the season that came out of nowhere.

2023, if we consider Arenado going from 4.3 fWAR in 2021 to 2.7 fWAR in 2023 and Goldschmidt going from 4.8 fWAR in 2021 to 3.4 fWAR in 2023, was actually more predictable.

The Cardinals convinced themselves that all could be made right in 2024 instead of selling off heavily in 2023 like they should have.

[OldRed]

2023 they were 71 - 91 and finished 21 games out of first.

THIS is when the so called rebuild should have started. Also, this is when attendance begam to decline.

[mattmitchl44]

2023 they were 71 - 91 and finished 21 games out of first.

THIS is when the so called rebuild should have started. Also, this is when attendance begam to decline.

While true, many of the same CT posters who complain about a rebuild now would have burning effigies of Mozeliak if he had dared to trade away "their stars" - Goldschmidt, Arenado, Contreras, etc. - in 2023 instead of "trying to compete" in 2024.

[rockondlouie]

The incompetence of this ownership is very scary

As long as Mo kept 3M coming, BDWJr was content to count his money and keep him in charge.

Pitiful mismanagement by Dewitt put the team where it is today.

[CNYFan]

They kept trying to patch the ML roster to "compete" (what many here continue to call for) until they just couldn't any longer.

As noted long ago, they should have traded Goldschmidt and Arenado at back in July 2023 and started the rebuild at that point.

I agreed with this strategy.

[ecleme22]

The incompetence of this ownership is very scary

2023: came out of nowhere
2024: actually competed, but couldn’t make up for the regressions of JW, NA and PG.
2025: only signed Maton. Sell off at the deadline.

The cards already started a rebuild about a year ago.

But since offseason 2022 (three years ago), the team has only given up two draft picks (WC, SG), but have accumulated a lot since then.

And if they trade WC, then those draft picks they gave up will be a wash.

Meaning they have only accumulated prospects the last three years.

I'd point out that 2022, when both Arenado at age 31 (7.2 fWAR) and Goldschmidt at age 34 (6.8 fWAR) had outlier "career years" (along with Pujols' unexpected contributions) to carry the team to maybe six more regular seasons wins than expected, was the season that came out of nowhere.

2023, if we consider Arenado going from 4.3 fWAR in 2021 to 2.7 fWAR in 2023 and Goldschmidt going from 4.8 fWAR in 2021 to 3.4 fWAR in 2023, was actually more predictable.

The Cardinals convinced themselves that all could be made right in 2024 instead of selling off heavily in 2023 like they should have.

We forget how utterly bad the offense was at the first half of 2024. PG, NA, JW, VS stunk, and Edman was injured. Contreras injured too. That wasn’t predictable.

Fortunately though, the 2024 acquisitions weren’t reckless Ozuna moves where prospects were traded. And Mo didn’t do anything dumb like sign Noot to a 7 year contract. I’d also argue that Lynn and Gibson were good signings, just by the sheer need of needing to eat innings.

The silver lining is, our two most significant moves, WC and SG, might both get us prospects.

[ramfandan]

The incompetence of this ownership is very scary

I've said this all along. Why did they wait? They didn't let it bother them until attendance dropped. NOW it is the big overdue rebuild.

I think they waited for the same reason some posters were waiting ..not you .. but those who thought oh Goldy will have a bounce back year , Arenado should rebound. The word 'rebuild' was a naughty 7 letter word . Now , if you noticed, more and more fans and CT posters are using the dreaded 'R' word. In fact, you used it as the last word in your post. We can't undo the past so personally I don't care as to WHY they let is happen right now, I just want Bloom to 'rebuild ' the Cardinals . There .. I used it too ! lol

[Cardinals4Life]

They kept trying to patch the ML roster to "compete" (what many here continue to call for) until they just couldn't any longer.

As noted long ago, they should have traded Goldschmidt and Arenado at back in July 2023 and started the rebuild at that point.

No. The problem wasn't "patching". Teams always have to do this. The problem was cheap patching. Period.

[mattmitchl44]

They kept trying to patch the ML roster to "compete" (what many here continue to call for) until they just couldn't any longer.

As noted long ago, they should have traded Goldschmidt and Arenado at back in July 2023 and started the rebuild at that point.

No. The problem wasn't "patching". Teams always have to do this. The problem was cheap patching. Period.

They got Gray going into 2024, which was very much NOT a cheap patch. Once that - along with still having to pay Arenado, Goldschmidt, Contreras, Mikolas, etc., there was no other serious option than some "cheaper patching" for the many other inadequacies on the roster.