JJ and Mautz named system Player and Pitcher of the year
Posted: 20 Nov 2025 16:42 pm
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Re: JJ and Mautz named system Player and Pitcher of the year
Posted: 20 Nov 2025 16:45 pm
Baez and Henderson made good cases all year long. JJ and Mautz are well deserving, though.
Feels good when you have 1a and 1b at Player of the Year and Pitcher of the Year.
We're doing pretty well in the minors.
Rainiel, Braden Davis, and Hansen had good years as well
Feels good when you have 1a and 1b at Player of the Year and Pitcher of the Year.
We're doing pretty well in the minors.
Rainiel, Braden Davis, and Hansen had good years as well
Re: JJ and Mautz named system Player and Pitcher of the year
Posted: 20 Nov 2025 16:45 pm
I'm pretty surprised that it was Mautz and not Henderson.
Re: JJ and Mautz named system Player and Pitcher of the year
Posted: 20 Nov 2025 16:50 pm
same...but Mautz did close out his 2nd half is blazing fashion. 140K's to 30 BB's....that's fantastic.Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑20 Nov 2025 16:45 pm I'm pretty surprised that it was Mautz and not Henderson.
Henderson was great all year....
Re: JJ and Mautz named system Player and Pitcher of the year
Posted: 25 Nov 2025 04:05 am
Couple notes- one, isn’t this a good thing that this kid outperformed Henderson, meaning two future studs; and why no hype for Mautz. He is the orgs JJ equivalent. If he’s as hyped, then we have a stud lefty.craviduce wrote: ↑20 Nov 2025 16:50 pmsame...but Mautz did close out his 2nd half is blazing fashion. 140K's to 30 BB's....that's fantastic.Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑20 Nov 2025 16:45 pm I'm pretty surprised that it was Mautz and not Henderson.
Henderson was great all year....
Re: JJ and Mautz named system Player and Pitcher of the year
Posted: 25 Nov 2025 04:55 am
Congratulations to Matuz. It seems like the prospect evaluators still have him pegged as not more than a #4/#5 SP - a high floor/low ceiling prospect at this point (both FG and mlb.com have him as only FV 40). They seem to be slightly higher on Henderson's potential ceiling.
Re: JJ and Mautz named system Player and Pitcher of the year
Posted: 25 Nov 2025 05:05 am
Isn’t this a bit of a conflict- pegged as a 4/5 guy, but an org player of the year. And as mentioned Henderson had better year. What does that make Henderson- number three ish.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2025 04:55 am Congratulations to Matuz. It seems like the prospect evaluators still have him pegged as not more than a #4/#5 SP - a high floor/low ceiling prospect at this point (both FG and mlb.com have him as only FV 40). They seem to be slightly higher on Henderson's potential ceiling.
Re: JJ and Mautz named system Player and Pitcher of the year
Posted: 25 Nov 2025 05:44 am
Not necessarily. You can put together an organization-leading season in the minors without having the projectable tools that suggest being an above average ML player eventually.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2025 05:05 amIsn’t this a bit of a conflict- pegged as a 4/5 guy, but an org player of the year. And as mentioned Henderson had better year. What does that make Henderson- number three ish.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2025 04:55 am Congratulations to Matuz. It seems like the prospect evaluators still have him pegged as not more than a #4/#5 SP - a high floor/low ceiling prospect at this point (both FG and mlb.com have him as only FV 40). They seem to be slightly higher on Henderson's potential ceiling.
Henderson is probably more "toolsy" than Matuz - better fastball, etc.
Re: JJ and Mautz named system Player and Pitcher of the year
Posted: 25 Nov 2025 06:06 am
Seems dirty. Seems the guy with higher projection and better season would be more of a feature/future.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2025 05:44 amNot necessarily. You can put together an organization-leading season in the minors without having the projectable tools that suggest being an above average ML player eventually.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2025 05:05 amIsn’t this a bit of a conflict- pegged as a 4/5 guy, but an org player of the year. And as mentioned Henderson had better year. What does that make Henderson- number three ish.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2025 04:55 am Congratulations to Matuz. It seems like the prospect evaluators still have him pegged as not more than a #4/#5 SP - a high floor/low ceiling prospect at this point (both FG and mlb.com have him as only FV 40). They seem to be slightly higher on Henderson's potential ceiling.
Henderson is probably more "toolsy" than Matuz - better fastball, etc.
Re: JJ and Mautz named system Player and Pitcher of the year
Posted: 25 Nov 2025 06:28 am
Not really.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2025 06:06 amSeems dirty. Seems the guy with higher projection and better season would be more of a feature/future.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2025 05:44 amNot necessarily. You can put together an organization-leading season in the minors without having the projectable tools that suggest being an above average ML player eventually.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2025 05:05 amIsn’t this a bit of a conflict- pegged as a 4/5 guy, but an org player of the year. And as mentioned Henderson had better year. What does that make Henderson- number three ish.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2025 04:55 am Congratulations to Matuz. It seems like the prospect evaluators still have him pegged as not more than a #4/#5 SP - a high floor/low ceiling prospect at this point (both FG and mlb.com have him as only FV 40). They seem to be slightly higher on Henderson's potential ceiling.
Henderson is probably more "toolsy" than Matuz - better fastball, etc.
"Pitcher of the Year" is a recognition of who had the best year in 2025. If it was about who was the most projectable talent going forward, you'd give it to Doyle rather than Matuz or Henderson.
Re: JJ and Mautz named system Player and Pitcher of the year
Posted: 25 Nov 2025 06:40 am
Ok. Good talk. I’ll take away we have high level young guns. One will develop. One Will will be serviceable, and one will was out. Two out of three ain’t bad. Fits your model.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2025 06:28 amNot really.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2025 06:06 amSeems dirty. Seems the guy with higher projection and better season would be more of a feature/future.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2025 05:44 amNot necessarily. You can put together an organization-leading season in the minors without having the projectable tools that suggest being an above average ML player eventually.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2025 05:05 amIsn’t this a bit of a conflict- pegged as a 4/5 guy, but an org player of the year. And as mentioned Henderson had better year. What does that make Henderson- number three ish.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2025 04:55 am Congratulations to Matuz. It seems like the prospect evaluators still have him pegged as not more than a #4/#5 SP - a high floor/low ceiling prospect at this point (both FG and mlb.com have him as only FV 40). They seem to be slightly higher on Henderson's potential ceiling.
Henderson is probably more "toolsy" than Matuz - better fastball, etc.
"Pitcher of the Year" is a recognition of who had the best year in 2025. If it was about who was the most projectable talent going forward, you'd give it to Doyle rather than Matuz or Henderson.
Re: JJ and Mautz named system Player and Pitcher of the year
Posted: 25 Nov 2025 06:46 am
Yeah, if you are going to pin your hopes on the Cardinals developing true front-of-rotation SPs in the near future, you need to pin those hopes on Doyle and Mathews right now. I think everybody else is running behind those two.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2025 06:40 amOk. Good talk. I’ll take away we have high level young guns. One will develop. One Will will be serviceable, and one will was out. Two out of three ain’t bad. Fits your model.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2025 06:28 amNot really.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2025 06:06 amSeems dirty. Seems the guy with higher projection and better season would be more of a feature/future.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2025 05:44 amNot necessarily. You can put together an organization-leading season in the minors without having the projectable tools that suggest being an above average ML player eventually.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2025 05:05 amIsn’t this a bit of a conflict- pegged as a 4/5 guy, but an org player of the year. And as mentioned Henderson had better year. What does that make Henderson- number three ish.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2025 04:55 am Congratulations to Matuz. It seems like the prospect evaluators still have him pegged as not more than a #4/#5 SP - a high floor/low ceiling prospect at this point (both FG and mlb.com have him as only FV 40). They seem to be slightly higher on Henderson's potential ceiling.
Henderson is probably more "toolsy" than Matuz - better fastball, etc.
"Pitcher of the Year" is a recognition of who had the best year in 2025. If it was about who was the most projectable talent going forward, you'd give it to Doyle rather than Matuz or Henderson.
That's why it is pretty important that they do everything they can to add another "Liam Doyle-level" prospect if possible when they deal Donovan.
Having three bites at the apple to develop a (or more than one) front-of-rotation SP in the next 2-3 years is a lot better than two.
Re: JJ and Mautz named system Player and Pitcher of the year
Posted: 25 Nov 2025 06:49 am
In three years if all works-mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2025 06:46 amYeah, if you are going to pin your hopes on the Cardinals developing true front-of-rotation SPs in the near future, you need to pin those hopes on Doyle and Mathews right now. I think everybody else is running behind those two.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2025 06:40 amOk. Good talk. I’ll take away we have high level young guns. One will develop. One Will will be serviceable, and one will was out. Two out of three ain’t bad. Fits your model.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2025 06:28 amNot really.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2025 06:06 amSeems dirty. Seems the guy with higher projection and better season would be more of a feature/future.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2025 05:44 amNot necessarily. You can put together an organization-leading season in the minors without having the projectable tools that suggest being an above average ML player eventually.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2025 05:05 amIsn’t this a bit of a conflict- pegged as a 4/5 guy, but an org player of the year. And as mentioned Henderson had better year. What does that make Henderson- number three ish.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2025 04:55 am Congratulations to Matuz. It seems like the prospect evaluators still have him pegged as not more than a #4/#5 SP - a high floor/low ceiling prospect at this point (both FG and mlb.com have him as only FV 40). They seem to be slightly higher on Henderson's potential ceiling.
Henderson is probably more "toolsy" than Matuz - better fastball, etc.
"Pitcher of the Year" is a recognition of who had the best year in 2025. If it was about who was the most projectable talent going forward, you'd give it to Doyle rather than Matuz or Henderson.
That's why it is pretty important that they do everything they can to add another "Liam Doyle-level" prospect if possible when they deal Donovan.
Having three bites at the apple to develop a (or more than one) front-of-rotation SP in the next 2-3 years is a lot better than two.
Doyle
McG
Matthews
Libby
Mautz
Henderson
Now where are the bats.
Re: JJ and Mautz named system Player and Pitcher of the year
Posted: 25 Nov 2025 07:02 am
That's pure speculation and basically a fantasy.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2025 06:49 amIn three years if all works-mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2025 06:46 amYeah, if you are going to pin your hopes on the Cardinals developing true front-of-rotation SPs in the near future, you need to pin those hopes on Doyle and Mathews right now. I think everybody else is running behind those two.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2025 06:40 amOk. Good talk. I’ll take away we have high level young guns. One will develop. One Will will be serviceable, and one will was out. Two out of three ain’t bad. Fits your model.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2025 06:28 amNot really.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2025 06:06 amSeems dirty. Seems the guy with higher projection and better season would be more of a feature/future.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2025 05:44 amNot necessarily. You can put together an organization-leading season in the minors without having the projectable tools that suggest being an above average ML player eventually.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2025 05:05 amIsn’t this a bit of a conflict- pegged as a 4/5 guy, but an org player of the year. And as mentioned Henderson had better year. What does that make Henderson- number three ish.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2025 04:55 am Congratulations to Matuz. It seems like the prospect evaluators still have him pegged as not more than a #4/#5 SP - a high floor/low ceiling prospect at this point (both FG and mlb.com have him as only FV 40). They seem to be slightly higher on Henderson's potential ceiling.
Henderson is probably more "toolsy" than Matuz - better fastball, etc.
"Pitcher of the Year" is a recognition of who had the best year in 2025. If it was about who was the most projectable talent going forward, you'd give it to Doyle rather than Matuz or Henderson.
That's why it is pretty important that they do everything they can to add another "Liam Doyle-level" prospect if possible when they deal Donovan.
Having three bites at the apple to develop a (or more than one) front-of-rotation SP in the next 2-3 years is a lot better than two.
Doyle
McG
Matthews
Libby
Mautz
Henderson
Now where are the bats.
So, why not keep the fantasy going and.......
Crooks becomes AS catcher
JJ 7 WAR player or better
Gorman finally gets healthy and is solid 900 OPS
Walker too.
Winn is the next Ozzie Smith
Victor Scott starts hitting .285 with 90+ steals.
Hell, I could go all day on this....
Re: JJ and Mautz named system Player and Pitcher of the year
Posted: 25 Nov 2025 07:18 am
How so. If four of the six make it, we’d be a stud Ace minimum away in the pitching department with a stud infield.Bully4you wrote: ↑25 Nov 2025 07:02 amThat's pure speculation and basically a fantasy.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2025 06:49 amIn three years if all works-mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2025 06:46 amYeah, if you are going to pin your hopes on the Cardinals developing true front-of-rotation SPs in the near future, you need to pin those hopes on Doyle and Mathews right now. I think everybody else is running behind those two.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2025 06:40 amOk. Good talk. I’ll take away we have high level young guns. One will develop. One Will will be serviceable, and one will was out. Two out of three ain’t bad. Fits your model.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2025 06:28 amNot really.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2025 06:06 amSeems dirty. Seems the guy with higher projection and better season would be more of a feature/future.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2025 05:44 amNot necessarily. You can put together an organization-leading season in the minors without having the projectable tools that suggest being an above average ML player eventually.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2025 05:05 amIsn’t this a bit of a conflict- pegged as a 4/5 guy, but an org player of the year. And as mentioned Henderson had better year. What does that make Henderson- number three ish.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2025 04:55 am Congratulations to Matuz. It seems like the prospect evaluators still have him pegged as not more than a #4/#5 SP - a high floor/low ceiling prospect at this point (both FG and mlb.com have him as only FV 40). They seem to be slightly higher on Henderson's potential ceiling.
Henderson is probably more "toolsy" than Matuz - better fastball, etc.
"Pitcher of the Year" is a recognition of who had the best year in 2025. If it was about who was the most projectable talent going forward, you'd give it to Doyle rather than Matuz or Henderson.
That's why it is pretty important that they do everything they can to add another "Liam Doyle-level" prospect if possible when they deal Donovan.
Having three bites at the apple to develop a (or more than one) front-of-rotation SP in the next 2-3 years is a lot better than two.
Doyle
McG
Matthews
Libby
Mautz
Henderson
Now where are the bats.
So, why not keep the fantasy going and.......
Crooks becomes AS catcher
JJ 7 WAR player or better
Gorman finally gets healthy and is solid 900 OPS
Walker too.
Winn is the next Ozzie Smith
Victor Scott starts hitting .285 with 90+ steals.
Hell, I could go all day on this....