JJ and Mautz named system Player and Pitcher of the year

[craviduce]

[craviduce]

Baez and Henderson made good cases all year long. JJ and Mautz are well deserving, though.

Feels good when you have 1a and 1b at Player of the Year and Pitcher of the Year.

We're doing pretty well in the minors.

Rainiel, Braden Davis, and Hansen had good years as well

[Talkin' Baseball]

I'm pretty surprised that it was Mautz and not Henderson.

[craviduce]

I'm pretty surprised that it was Mautz and not Henderson.

same...but Mautz did close out his 2nd half is blazing fashion. 140K's to 30 BB's....that's fantastic.

Henderson was great all year....

[sikeston bulldog2]

I'm pretty surprised that it was Mautz and not Henderson.

same...but Mautz did close out his 2nd half is blazing fashion. 140K's to 30 BB's....that's fantastic.

Henderson was great all year....

Couple notes- one, isn’t this a good thing that this kid outperformed Henderson, meaning two future studs; and why no hype for Mautz. He is the orgs JJ equivalent. If he’s as hyped, then we have a stud lefty.

[mattmitchl44]

Congratulations to Matuz. It seems like the prospect evaluators still have him pegged as not more than a #4/#5 SP - a high floor/low ceiling prospect at this point (both FG and mlb.com have him as only FV 40). They seem to be slightly higher on Henderson's potential ceiling.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Congratulations to Matuz. It seems like the prospect evaluators still have him pegged as not more than a #4/#5 SP - a high floor/low ceiling prospect at this point (both FG and mlb.com have him as only FV 40). They seem to be slightly higher on Henderson's potential ceiling.

Isn’t this a bit of a conflict- pegged as a 4/5 guy, but an org player of the year. And as mentioned Henderson had better year. What does that make Henderson- number three ish.

[mattmitchl44]

Congratulations to Matuz. It seems like the prospect evaluators still have him pegged as not more than a #4/#5 SP - a high floor/low ceiling prospect at this point (both FG and mlb.com have him as only FV 40). They seem to be slightly higher on Henderson's potential ceiling.

Isn’t this a bit of a conflict- pegged as a 4/5 guy, but an org player of the year. And as mentioned Henderson had better year. What does that make Henderson- number three ish.

Not necessarily. You can put together an organization-leading season in the minors without having the projectable tools that suggest being an above average ML player eventually.

Henderson is probably more "toolsy" than Matuz - better fastball, etc.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Congratulations to Matuz. It seems like the prospect evaluators still have him pegged as not more than a #4/#5 SP - a high floor/low ceiling prospect at this point (both FG and mlb.com have him as only FV 40). They seem to be slightly higher on Henderson's potential ceiling.

Isn’t this a bit of a conflict- pegged as a 4/5 guy, but an org player of the year. And as mentioned Henderson had better year. What does that make Henderson- number three ish.

Not necessarily. You can put together an organization-leading season in the minors without having the projectable tools that suggest being an above average ML player eventually.

Henderson is probably more "toolsy" than Matuz - better fastball, etc.

Seems dirty. Seems the guy with higher projection and better season would be more of a feature/future.

[mattmitchl44]

Congratulations to Matuz. It seems like the prospect evaluators still have him pegged as not more than a #4/#5 SP - a high floor/low ceiling prospect at this point (both FG and mlb.com have him as only FV 40). They seem to be slightly higher on Henderson's potential ceiling.

Isn’t this a bit of a conflict- pegged as a 4/5 guy, but an org player of the year. And as mentioned Henderson had better year. What does that make Henderson- number three ish.

Not necessarily. You can put together an organization-leading season in the minors without having the projectable tools that suggest being an above average ML player eventually.

Henderson is probably more "toolsy" than Matuz - better fastball, etc.

Seems dirty. Seems the guy with higher projection and better season would be more of a feature/future.

Not really.

"Pitcher of the Year" is a recognition of who had the best year in 2025. If it was about who was the most projectable talent going forward, you'd give it to Doyle rather than Matuz or Henderson.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Congratulations to Matuz. It seems like the prospect evaluators still have him pegged as not more than a #4/#5 SP - a high floor/low ceiling prospect at this point (both FG and mlb.com have him as only FV 40). They seem to be slightly higher on Henderson's potential ceiling.

Isn’t this a bit of a conflict- pegged as a 4/5 guy, but an org player of the year. And as mentioned Henderson had better year. What does that make Henderson- number three ish.

Not necessarily. You can put together an organization-leading season in the minors without having the projectable tools that suggest being an above average ML player eventually.

Henderson is probably more "toolsy" than Matuz - better fastball, etc.

Seems dirty. Seems the guy with higher projection and better season would be more of a feature/future.

Not really.

"Pitcher of the Year" is a recognition of who had the best year in 2025. If it was about who was the most projectable talent going forward, you'd give it to Doyle rather than Matuz or Henderson.

Ok. Good talk. I’ll take away we have high level young guns. One will develop. One Will will be serviceable, and one will was out. Two out of three ain’t bad. Fits your model.

[mattmitchl44]

Congratulations to Matuz. It seems like the prospect evaluators still have him pegged as not more than a #4/#5 SP - a high floor/low ceiling prospect at this point (both FG and mlb.com have him as only FV 40). They seem to be slightly higher on Henderson's potential ceiling.

Isn’t this a bit of a conflict- pegged as a 4/5 guy, but an org player of the year. And as mentioned Henderson had better year. What does that make Henderson- number three ish.

Not necessarily. You can put together an organization-leading season in the minors without having the projectable tools that suggest being an above average ML player eventually.

Henderson is probably more "toolsy" than Matuz - better fastball, etc.

Seems dirty. Seems the guy with higher projection and better season would be more of a feature/future.

Not really.

"Pitcher of the Year" is a recognition of who had the best year in 2025. If it was about who was the most projectable talent going forward, you'd give it to Doyle rather than Matuz or Henderson.

Ok. Good talk. I’ll take away we have high level young guns. One will develop. One Will will be serviceable, and one will was out. Two out of three ain’t bad. Fits your model.

Yeah, if you are going to pin your hopes on the Cardinals developing true front-of-rotation SPs in the near future, you need to pin those hopes on Doyle and Mathews right now. I think everybody else is running behind those two.

That's why it is pretty important that they do everything they can to add another "Liam Doyle-level" prospect if possible when they deal Donovan.

Having three bites at the apple to develop a (or more than one) front-of-rotation SP in the next 2-3 years is a lot better than two.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Congratulations to Matuz. It seems like the prospect evaluators still have him pegged as not more than a #4/#5 SP - a high floor/low ceiling prospect at this point (both FG and mlb.com have him as only FV 40). They seem to be slightly higher on Henderson's potential ceiling.

Isn’t this a bit of a conflict- pegged as a 4/5 guy, but an org player of the year. And as mentioned Henderson had better year. What does that make Henderson- number three ish.

Not necessarily. You can put together an organization-leading season in the minors without having the projectable tools that suggest being an above average ML player eventually.

Henderson is probably more "toolsy" than Matuz - better fastball, etc.

Seems dirty. Seems the guy with higher projection and better season would be more of a feature/future.

Not really.

"Pitcher of the Year" is a recognition of who had the best year in 2025. If it was about who was the most projectable talent going forward, you'd give it to Doyle rather than Matuz or Henderson.

Ok. Good talk. I’ll take away we have high level young guns. One will develop. One Will will be serviceable, and one will was out. Two out of three ain’t bad. Fits your model.

Yeah, if you are going to pin your hopes on the Cardinals developing true front-of-rotation SPs in the near future, you need to pin those hopes on Doyle and Mathews right now. I think everybody else is running behind those two.

That's why it is pretty important that they do everything they can to add another "Liam Doyle-level" prospect if possible when they deal Donovan.

Having three bites at the apple to develop a (or more than one) front-of-rotation SP in the next 2-3 years is a lot better than two.

In three years if all works-

Doyle
McG
Matthews
Libby
Mautz
Henderson

Now where are the bats.

[Bully4you]

Congratulations to Matuz. It seems like the prospect evaluators still have him pegged as not more than a #4/#5 SP - a high floor/low ceiling prospect at this point (both FG and mlb.com have him as only FV 40). They seem to be slightly higher on Henderson's potential ceiling.

Isn’t this a bit of a conflict- pegged as a 4/5 guy, but an org player of the year. And as mentioned Henderson had better year. What does that make Henderson- number three ish.

Not necessarily. You can put together an organization-leading season in the minors without having the projectable tools that suggest being an above average ML player eventually.

Henderson is probably more "toolsy" than Matuz - better fastball, etc.

Seems dirty. Seems the guy with higher projection and better season would be more of a feature/future.

Not really.

"Pitcher of the Year" is a recognition of who had the best year in 2025. If it was about who was the most projectable talent going forward, you'd give it to Doyle rather than Matuz or Henderson.

Ok. Good talk. I’ll take away we have high level young guns. One will develop. One Will will be serviceable, and one will was out. Two out of three ain’t bad. Fits your model.

Yeah, if you are going to pin your hopes on the Cardinals developing true front-of-rotation SPs in the near future, you need to pin those hopes on Doyle and Mathews right now. I think everybody else is running behind those two.

That's why it is pretty important that they do everything they can to add another "Liam Doyle-level" prospect if possible when they deal Donovan.

Having three bites at the apple to develop a (or more than one) front-of-rotation SP in the next 2-3 years is a lot better than two.

In three years if all works-

Doyle
McG
Matthews
Libby
Mautz
Henderson

Now where are the bats.

That's pure speculation and basically a fantasy.
So, why not keep the fantasy going and.......
Crooks becomes AS catcher
JJ 7 WAR player or better
Gorman finally gets healthy and is solid 900 OPS
Walker too.
Winn is the next Ozzie Smith
Victor Scott starts hitting .285 with 90+ steals.
Hell, I could go all day on this....

[sikeston bulldog2]

Congratulations to Matuz. It seems like the prospect evaluators still have him pegged as not more than a #4/#5 SP - a high floor/low ceiling prospect at this point (both FG and mlb.com have him as only FV 40). They seem to be slightly higher on Henderson's potential ceiling.

Isn’t this a bit of a conflict- pegged as a 4/5 guy, but an org player of the year. And as mentioned Henderson had better year. What does that make Henderson- number three ish.

Not necessarily. You can put together an organization-leading season in the minors without having the projectable tools that suggest being an above average ML player eventually.

Henderson is probably more "toolsy" than Matuz - better fastball, etc.

Seems dirty. Seems the guy with higher projection and better season would be more of a feature/future.

Not really.

"Pitcher of the Year" is a recognition of who had the best year in 2025. If it was about who was the most projectable talent going forward, you'd give it to Doyle rather than Matuz or Henderson.

Ok. Good talk. I’ll take away we have high level young guns. One will develop. One Will will be serviceable, and one will was out. Two out of three ain’t bad. Fits your model.

Yeah, if you are going to pin your hopes on the Cardinals developing true front-of-rotation SPs in the near future, you need to pin those hopes on Doyle and Mathews right now. I think everybody else is running behind those two.

That's why it is pretty important that they do everything they can to add another "Liam Doyle-level" prospect if possible when they deal Donovan.

Having three bites at the apple to develop a (or more than one) front-of-rotation SP in the next 2-3 years is a lot better than two.

In three years if all works-

Doyle
McG
Matthews
Libby
Mautz
Henderson

Now where are the bats.

That's pure speculation and basically a fantasy.
So, why not keep the fantasy going and.......
Crooks becomes AS catcher
JJ 7 WAR player or better
Gorman finally gets healthy and is solid 900 OPS
Walker too.
Winn is the next Ozzie Smith
Victor Scott starts hitting .285 with 90+ steals.
Hell, I could go all day on this....

How so. If four of the six make it, we’d be a stud Ace minimum away in the pitching department with a stud infield.