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Bloom has clearly told you 2026 is a transition year in a rebuild. How does acquiring a pitcher with exactly as many years of control as Donovan advance that plan?
Some executives value some players higher than their BTV. Especially, if they fill a big need that might improve the team's chances to improve. Donovan seems highly respected around the league.
You should stick with your original plan of trading Jordan Walker for Bubba Chandler, and Phil Maton for Trey Yesavage.
What about Mackenzie Gore suggests he's a 1 or 2?
It seems people are highly overvaluing this guy. He seems like a 4 to me. Gives up a lot baserunners which is equating to giving up quite a few....runs. He strikes out a decent amount, but there is nothing else in his profile other than age that suggests he'd be somebody to extend. And having an extension in mind is the only reason to trade for a guy with 2 years of control. He's also lead the league in wild pitches each of the last two seasons. Unless Crash Davis is available, I'd stay away from this guy for the Cardinals biggest on the block asset.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 12:36 pm Once every 5 games he pitches 5 innings with an ERA around 4.
If I was running the Cardinals I would want much more than that for Donovan. Alcantara? That's more like it but I suspect Miami will want prospects.
My unsolicited two cents, but I am not a fan of BTV. It's treading something that's subjective as an objective. If you take a team that's pretty well set at 2B/3B/LF...does Donovan have much value? Or what if it's a team that isn't set at those positions, but they're (like us) in a rebuild. Does two years of Donovan really move much of a needle?NYCardsFan wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 11:48 amBloom has clearly told you 2026 is a transition year in a rebuild. How does acquiring a pitcher with exactly as many years of control as Donovan advance that plan?
Also, per BTV:
Gore: 39.8
Donovan: 26.1
But hey, throw in Burleson (11.1) and they'd get pretty close (37.2). Whaddya say, Shadymaple?
Fine idea if both teams were trying to win in 2026. They aren't. To be a semi realistic idea, the trade needs needs to benefit the Cardinals beyond 2027.
I’m not sure that Gore is the right target but trading Donovan for an experienced proven veteran with control years is exactly the profile we should be going for. We want someone who can be extended without having to pay nine figures on the free agent market.NYCardsFan wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 11:48 amBloom has clearly told you 2026 is a transition year in a rebuild. How does acquiring a pitcher with exactly as many years of control as Donovan advance that plan?
Also, per BTV:
Gore: 39.8
Donovan: 26.1
But hey, throw in Burleson (11.1) and they'd get pretty close (37.2). Whaddya say, Shadymaple?
He actually sound like the kind of Guy Bloom in looking for in the draft. Good fastball. Most guys with good fastball walks are a problem. High walks = high pitch count. High pitch count = 5 inning pitcher. Unless he can figure out how to throw strikes he is a 5 inning pitcher. I'd do it if they threw in a good prospect or two but Donovan is our biggest trade chip. If Gore is the only thing we get then I'd just as soon keep Donovan.woofy25 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 12:45 pmIt seems people are highly overvaluing this guy. He seems like a 4 to me. Gives up a lot baserunners which is equating to giving up quite a few....runs. He strikes out a decent amount, but there is nothing else in his profile other than age that suggests he'd be somebody to extend. And having an extension in mind is the only reason to trade for a guy with 2 years of control. He's also lead the league in wild pitches each of the last two seasons. Unless Crash Davis is available, I'd stay away from this guy for the Cardinals biggest on the block asset.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 12:36 pm Once every 5 games he pitches 5 innings with an ERA around 4.
If I was running the Cardinals I would want much more than that for Donovan. Alcantara? That's more like it but I suspect Miami will want prospects.
Why would you care about getting an “experienced proven veteran” in 2026-2027 when he has just two years of control left and the Cardinals are in the midst of a rebuild? And why would Gore (or anyone else) agree to sign a below-market extension when he’s just two years away from free agency? I mean, that’s precisely the reason the Cardinals would be looking to trade Donovan in the first place.Carp4Cy wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 13:28 pmI’m not sure that Gore is the right target but trading Donovan for an experienced proven veteran with control years is exactly the profile we should be going for. We want someone who can be extended without having to pay nine figures on the free agent market.NYCardsFan wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 11:48 amBloom has clearly told you 2026 is a transition year in a rebuild. How does acquiring a pitcher with exactly as many years of control as Donovan advance that plan?
Also, per BTV:
Gore: 39.8
Donovan: 26.1
But hey, throw in Burleson (11.1) and they'd get pretty close (37.2). Whaddya say, Shadymaple?
And for 2026 we can absolutely afford the salary with all the dry powder off the books since 2022.