Era committee HOF candidates'

[OldRed]

Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Carlos Delgado, Jeff Kent, Don Mattingly, Dale Murphy, Gary Sheffield and Fernando Valenzuela were revealed Monday by the Hall of Fame as this year’s candidates on the Era Committee ballot.

Who do you have?

As always, it a shame Kenny Boyer is not considered any longer.

[WLTFE]

Sorry Red, you're obviously not a business owner so you can't talk about baseball because you're not a real fan!

[Gob]

Assuming they’d never vote in a juicer (besides Bagwell, Biggio, Ortiz, Piazza, I-Rod and Thome) I have a good feeling about Dale Murphy finally getting in.

[JuanAgosto]

I think Murphy and Mattingly get in.

[Chitownredbird]

Boyer and Keith Hernandez.

[nighthawk]

I dunno. Kent maybe Murphy and Delgado.

[makesnosense]

The fact that Bonds isn't in yet makes the election of anybody else on this list a joke.

[OldRed]

Sorry Red, you're obviously not a business owner so you can't talk about baseball because you're not a real fan!

Good point.

[HorseTrader]

Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Carlos Delgado, Jeff Kent, Don Mattingly, Dale Murphy, Gary Sheffield and Fernando Valenzuela were revealed Monday by the Hall of Fame as this year’s candidates on the Era Committee ballot.

Who do you have?

As always, it a shame Kenny Boyer is not considered any longer.

If I understand right, they can vote for 8 players (per Goold's chat yesterday) Bonds, Clemens, Sheffield, Delgado. Sorry all, I don't consider the roids stuff. I've always said we don't know for sure who did or didn't use. Nor do we know how much it helped their stats, especially if the pitcher and hitter both used, who got the most benefit. Or did offset? Just too much unknown, so to me it's not issue. I hate that some of them cheated but I just don't see how to normalize the situation with so much unknown.

[KeeptheRamsinSTL]

I think the only guys who have the stats for the Hall of Fame are the steroid guys. The other players were very good but do not have the numbers for the Hall of Fame in my opinion. Dale Murphy was an incredible player in his 20s but wasn't the same in his 30s.

Barry Bonds was his generation's Willie Mays type player. He probably would have made the Hall of Fame if he didn't start using steroids.

I personally enjoyed watching the guys on steroids. Baseball was more exciting for me with Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, McGwire and the rest of the guys on steroids. I do understand the other side though. As much as I enjoyed watching these guys play it was personally hard for me to see Bonds pass Hank Aaron's home run record.

[rbirules]

I think the only guys who have the stats for the Hall of Fame are the steroid guys. The other players were very good but do not have the numbers for the Hall of Fame in my opinion. Dale Murphy was an incredible player in his 20s but wasn't the same in his 30s.

Barry Bonds was his generation's Willie Mays type player. He probably would have made the Hall of Fame if he didn't start using steroids.

I personally enjoyed watching the guys on steroids. Baseball was more exciting for me with Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, McGwire and the rest of the guys on steroids. I do understand the other side though. As much as I enjoyed watching these guys play it was personally hard for me to see Bonds pass Hank Aaron's home run record.

Probably? I don't know when you think/assume Bonds started taking steroids, but most people assume it was after the 2000 season (in 2001 he hit 73 HRs). IMO, he could have retired at any point in the mid to late 90s and would have been a slam dunk HOF inductee. Heck even after 1993 he was at 60 bWAR (good rule of thumb for HOR enshrinement) and had just won his third MVP (in a four year stretch). If he called it quits all of the sudden I think the voters would look at it as a top athlete walking away in his prime (actually just like Jordan suddenly retiring in 1993). After 2000, he was at 494 HRs and 471 steals, and 111.4 bWAR (if you care about such things).

You can do the same thing with Clemens IMO, whereas Sosa and McGwire's candidacy is built entirely on the back of steroid fueled achievements.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Carlos Delgado, Jeff Kent, Don Mattingly, Dale Murphy, Gary Sheffield and Fernando Valenzuela were revealed Monday by the Hall of Fame as this year’s candidates on the Era Committee ballot.

Who do you have?

As always, it a shame Kenny Boyer is not considered any longer.

If I understand right, they can vote for 8 players (per Goold's chat yesterday) Bonds, Clemens, Sheffield, Delgado. Sorry all, I don't consider the roids stuff. I've always said we don't know for sure who did or didn't use. Nor do we know how much it helped their stats, especially if the pitcher and hitter both used, who got the most benefit. Or did offset? Just too much unknown, so to me it's not issue. I hate that some of them cheated but I just don't see how to normalize the situation with so much unknown.

Nice write.

[Ozziesfan41]

I think the only guys who have the stats for the Hall of Fame are the steroid guys. The other players were very good but do not have the numbers for the Hall of Fame in my opinion. Dale Murphy was an incredible player in his 20s but wasn't the same in his 30s.

Barry Bonds was his generation's Willie Mays type player. He probably would have made the Hall of Fame if he didn't start using steroids.

I personally enjoyed watching the guys on steroids. Baseball was more exciting for me with Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, McGwire and the rest of the guys on steroids. I do understand the other side though. As much as I enjoyed watching these guys play it was personally hard for me to see Bonds pass Hank Aaron's home run record.

Probably? I don't know when you think/assume Bonds started taking steroids, but most people assume it was after the 2000 season (in 2001 he hit 73 HRs). IMO, he could have retired at any point in the mid to late 90s and would have been a slam dunk HOF inductee. Heck even after 1993 he was at 60 bWAR (good rule of thumb for HOR enshrinement) and had just won his third MVP (in a four year stretch). If he called it quits all of the sudden I think the voters would look at it as a top athlete walking away in his prime (actually just like Jordan suddenly retiring in 1993). After 2000, he was at 494 HRs and 471 steals, and 111.4 bWAR (if you care about such things).

You can do the same thing with Clemens IMO, whereas Sosa and McGwire's candidacy is built entirely on the back of steroid fueled achievements.

Yea people assume they don’t know he could have been using them his entire career his entire career could have been built on them can’t trust a cheater leave all of them out

[rockondlouie]

None are Hall of Famers (IMO), especially the PED freaks.

If I had to pick one it's D. Murphy.

[rockondlouie]

Probably? I don't know when you think/assume Bonds started taking steroids, but most people assume it was after the 2000 season (in 2001 he hit 73 HRs). IMO, he could have retired at any point in the mid to late 90s and would have been a slam dunk HOF inductee. Heck even after 1993 he was at 60 bWAR (good rule of thumb for HOR enshrinement) and had just won his third MVP (in a four year stretch). If he called it quits all of the sudden I think the voters would look at it as a top athlete walking away in his prime (actually just like Jordan suddenly retiring in 1993). After 2000, he was at 494 HRs and 471 steals, and 111.4 bWAR (if you care about such things).

You can do the same thing with Clemens IMO, whereas Sosa and McGwire's candidacy is built entirely on the back of steroid fueled achievements.

That was it rbis.

According to Bonds girlfriend he was irate at all the attention Big Mac/Sosa got after their steroid fueled 1998 season.

She said he knew (correctly) he was superior to both and said "E F F it" I'll show them.

Too bad, prior to starting on PED's he was already a 1st ballot HoFer:

1986-1999
445 HR
460 SB's
.288 .409 .559 .968

Second best all round player ever (?) behind W. Mays.

[rbirules]

I think the only guys who have the stats for the Hall of Fame are the steroid guys. The other players were very good but do not have the numbers for the Hall of Fame in my opinion. Dale Murphy was an incredible player in his 20s but wasn't the same in his 30s.

Barry Bonds was his generation's Willie Mays type player. He probably would have made the Hall of Fame if he didn't start using steroids.

I personally enjoyed watching the guys on steroids. Baseball was more exciting for me with Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, McGwire and the rest of the guys on steroids. I do understand the other side though. As much as I enjoyed watching these guys play it was personally hard for me to see Bonds pass Hank Aaron's home run record.

Probably? I don't know when you think/assume Bonds started taking steroids, but most people assume it was after the 2000 season (in 2001 he hit 73 HRs). IMO, he could have retired at any point in the mid to late 90s and would have been a slam dunk HOF inductee. Heck even after 1993 he was at 60 bWAR (good rule of thumb for HOR enshrinement) and had just won his third MVP (in a four year stretch). If he called it quits all of the sudden I think the voters would look at it as a top athlete walking away in his prime (actually just like Jordan suddenly retiring in 1993). After 2000, he was at 494 HRs and 471 steals, and 111.4 bWAR (if you care about such things).

You can do the same thing with Clemens IMO, whereas Sosa and McGwire's candidacy is built entirely on the back of steroid fueled achievements.

Yea people assume they don’t know he could have been using them his entire career his entire career could have been built on them can’t trust a cheater leave all of them out

Yep, I'm fine with people viewing his accomplishments however they wish in light of what we are more certain of later in his career. I think it's clear he used starting in 2001, and going forward, before that I have no idea (just like I have no idea for 99% of baseball players in that era).