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It's time to move on from Schenn

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This team need a wakeup call and a culture change. It's not Schenn's fault they are playing bad but he is probably the best bet for the sacrifice. He will fetch a big return too. IMO this is why Dvorsky is up playing center. They could have had Bjugstad or Sundqvist playing center on the 3rd line but want to get a look at Dvorsky
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Re: It's time to move on from Schenn

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billybaseball wrote: 02 Nov 2025 10:22 am This team need a wakeup call and a culture change. It's not Schenn's fault they are playing bad but he is probably the best bet for the sacrifice. He will fetch a big return too. IMO this is why Dvorsky is up playing center. They could have had Bjugstad or Sundqvist playing center on the 3rd line but want to get a look at Dvorsky
I would not go as far as to say Schenn is part of any need to change culture, his apparent issues are performance and chemistry.

The injury to Thomas created space and need to bring up Dvorsky but as we've seen he was ready. He still needs to learn the league and his productivity will lag until he does, but it's pretty clear already he needs to be on this track in his development.

Right now the Blues are stuck behind the 8-ball at center. Thomas is the one player the team cannot cover for, they do not have any true top line centers besides him. Schenn's ship has sailed in that regard, Dvorsky is too raw to carry the weight of top line assignments for the requisite minutes and matchups. The productivity arcs of Schenn and Dvorsky at center are destined to cross, the question is when. The playing time Dvorsky gets now, win or lose, is going to make this team much stronger all the sooner once Thomas gets back.
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Re: It's time to move on from Schenn

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for a team lacking C depth, this prolly isn't the move to make.. at least for now. problem is the team has 2 #3 C's and 2 #4 C's. Hopefully DVO changes that

that being said, people yammer about Sunny being slow, Schenn looks even slower. never been a speedster, but.. yeesh. at this point in his career, he needs to be on the 3rd line

and not to derail the OP, but Sunny has looked really good since he's been back
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moose-and-squirrel wrote: 02 Nov 2025 10:46 am for a team lacking C depth, this prolly isn't the move to make.. at least for now. problem is the team has 2 #3 C's and 2 #4 C's. Hopefully DVO changes that

that being said, people yammer about Sunny being slow, Schenn looks even slower. never been a speedster, but.. yeesh. at this point in his career, he needs to be on the 3rd line

and not to derail the OP, but Sunny has looked really good since he's been back
Agree. Sunny can still play, "best of the rest" is his ceiling, though. He's very versatile and he gives everything he's got on the ice.
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Re: It's time to move on from Schenn

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Waiver him; because Schenn don't want to leave. but we'd be in a bigger pickle for center help. Lodin? maybe.
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crookedfeeder wrote: 02 Nov 2025 11:33 am Waiver him; because Schenn don't want to leave. but we'd be in a bigger pickle for center help. Lodin? maybe.
We’re stuck with him - I don’t think he has a modified no trade
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Re: It's time to move on from Schenn

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Bacchk29 wrote: 02 Nov 2025 11:38 am
crookedfeeder wrote: 02 Nov 2025 11:33 am Waiver him; because Schenn don't want to leave. but we'd be in a bigger pickle for center help. Lodin? maybe.
We’re stuck with him - I don’t think he has a modified no trade
Schenn has a 15 team no trade list according to puckpedia. But I don’t think he’ll be traded unless we’re clearly out of it closer to the trade deadline.
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The Average Gatsby wrote: 02 Nov 2025 11:42 am
Bacchk29 wrote: 02 Nov 2025 11:38 am
crookedfeeder wrote: 02 Nov 2025 11:33 am Waiver him; because Schenn don't want to leave. but we'd be in a bigger pickle for center help. Lodin? maybe.
We’re stuck with him - I don’t think he has a modified no trade
Schenn has a 15 team no trade list according to puckpedia. But I don’t think he’ll be traded unless we’re clearly out of it closer to the trade deadline.
Wasn’t sure thx. Faulk and Binner both have M-NTCs as well
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Re: It's time to move on from Schenn

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Here comes the Saad treatment...
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Re: It's time to move on from Schenn

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The only reason currently to entertain trading Schenn is if he has stated to the FO that he doesn’t want to play LW. He isn’t a center. He was along for the ride with 25 and 81 for about 4-5 weeks last Spring and didn’t get in the way, but he struggled at center for most of last season, then in the postseason and has so far this year.

I think he has value as a 3rd line LW and that is where he should remain. If you want to use him for a faceoff here and there, that’s fine, he can slide back to wing afterwards. But he just isn’t a center. He isn’t capable of handling the demands of that role as his stats indicate. So move him to wing and see if he can provide results there.
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Re: It's time to move on from Schenn

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If moving Schenn then sell all the vets with trade value and do this right. Of course that won’t happen.
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Re: It's time to move on from Schenn

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BalotelliMassive wrote: 02 Nov 2025 11:54 am Here comes the Saad treatment...
I dont think so. Management would rather take a loss and do right then do him dirty. Would be too many people saying it was a petro repeat.
I hope schenn has a productive time whike neighbours is out and rack up some value while we rack up more L’s.
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Re: It's time to move on from Schenn

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DawgDad wrote: 02 Nov 2025 10:43 am
billybaseball wrote: 02 Nov 2025 10:22 am This team need a wakeup call and a culture change. It's not Schenn's fault they are playing bad but he is probably the best bet for the sacrifice. He will fetch a big return too. IMO this is why Dvorsky is up playing center. They could have had Bjugstad or Sundqvist playing center on the 3rd line but want to get a look at Dvorsky
I would not go as far as to say Schenn is part of any need to change culture, his apparent issues are performance and chemistry.

The injury to Thomas created space and need to bring up Dvorsky but as we've seen he was ready. He still needs to learn the league and his productivity will lag until he does, but it's pretty clear already he needs to be on this track in his development.

Right now the Blues are stuck behind the 8-ball at center. Thomas is the one player the team cannot cover for, they do not have any true top line centers besides him. Schenn's ship has sailed in that regard, Dvorsky is too raw to carry the weight of top line assignments for the requisite minutes and matchups. The productivity arcs of Schenn and Dvorsky at center are destined to cross, the question is when. The playing time Dvorsky gets now, win or lose, is going to make this team much stronger all the sooner once Thomas gets back.
When Thomas comes back, Schenn needs to move to wing and not on whatever you want to call our "Top Line." If he balks at that, then politely & professionally move him. But I do not think he will balk...I hope I am right in reading his attitude. The stories about him insisting on being a Center was then, this is now. I do believe that he is a good leader, cares about the Team first, has good value if played in proper position at this point in his career.
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Re: It's time to move on from Schenn

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Schenn was one of the main reasons (if not the #1 reason) the Blues almost upset Winnipeg in the 1st round.

You want that kind of playoff hockey (hard hitting & in your face) again....you better keep Schenn.
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Re: It's time to move on from Schenn

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Mr.Snuggleupagus wrote: 02 Nov 2025 13:29 pm Schenn was one of the main reasons (if not the #1 reason) the Blues almost upset Winnipeg in the 1st round.

You want that kind of playoff hockey (hard hitting & in your face) again....you better keep Schenn.
And this too.
Playoffs or not, he is a real pro and important to help the youngsters experience it.
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Old_Goat wrote: 02 Nov 2025 13:35 pm
Mr.Snuggleupagus wrote: 02 Nov 2025 13:29 pm Schenn was one of the main reasons (if not the #1 reason) the Blues almost upset Winnipeg in the 1st round.

You want that kind of playoff hockey (hard hitting & in your face) again....you better keep Schenn.
And this too.
Playoffs or not, he is a real pro and important to help the youngsters experience it.
And he doesn't pick his spots, he'll go after the star center (Scheifele) or go hit one of their toughest (Lowry).

Everyone is fair game in the playoffs. The youngsters can learn from that.
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