How does bloom rebuild revenues and enterprise value and protect the fan base if we aren’t competing until a new CBA?

[Carp4Cy]

So far Moe and BTW, have hemorrhaged 1 million fans from our annual run rate. If we keep losing this could grow to 1.4 or 1.6m many of them might never come back which could prevent us from ever having enough revenue to spend on the free agents or extend the keepers that we need to actually win once we decide we are ready.

Fans aren’t going to buy MLB tickets just because we upgrade our scouting and minors development. Or even just because Mo is gone. It doesn’t help that we refuse to promote exciting prospects in 2025 like JJW just so we can play 40 man roster games when 12 of his draft class have already made the Bigs. Keeping the unpopular Marmol doesn’t help either, and doesn’t save a material amount of money. Trading Willson or Gray for junk (salary relief and then not replacing them on The MLB roster) isn’t going to help - marginal ballpark fans actually like watching former Allstars who win 14+ games or hit 20 HRs and don’t like watching bullpen games. They aren’t what’s keeping fans away.

We are t ever going to win 90 (or much less 100) games with a minimum wage roster of draftees and prospects we downgraded thru trades for, not matter how good our development system gets. (And even if we did - They wouldn’t win in the playoffs because they would have zero experience playing in October and that experience is the most valuable and underrated factor that determines winners). To win We need to supplement heavily with the right veterans and be willing to spend. But if Bloom doesn’t maintain the fan base in the short term, where will that spending ever come from?

Instead he needs to come up with a hybrid path forward and stop all thoughts of tanking. Spend enough on some level of star power at areas of need (we can certainly afford some upgrades now if we don’t wait too long), maybe more popular, experienced and well known coaching staff. And try to win enough to get into the playoffs.

We don’t have to win a pennant in year 1, but we do need to start accumulating October experience and earn some valuable revenue from those extra ticket sales. Momentum is a real thing when if comes to revenue and cash management - the more you win the more you earn and can afford to win more, but it has to all start with a willingness to invest sooner rather than later and not wait until it’s too late to be able to spend. And we can do all this without sacrificing anything significant in our new minor league process.

[butsir01]

If II & III continue to go beggar thy fans in ‘26, they will getexactly what they richly deserve attendancewise.

[Cranny]

If II & III continue to go beggar thy fans in ‘26, they will getexactly what they richly deserve attendancewise.

Expenses need to match or be less than revenues. Just like with any business.

[ecleme22]

So far Moe and BTW, have hemorrhaged 1 million fans from our annual run rate. If we keep losing this could grow to 1.4 or 1.6m many of them might never come back which could prevent us from ever having enough revenue to spend on the free agents or extend the keepers that we need to actually win once we decide we are ready.

Fans aren’t going to buy MLB tickets just because we upgrade our scouting and minors development. Or even just because Mo is gone. It doesn’t help that we refuse to promote exciting prospects in 2025 like JJW just so we can play 40 man roster games when 12 of his draft class have already made the Bigs. Keeping the unpopular Marmol doesn’t help either, and doesn’t save a material amount of money. Trading Willson or Gray for junk (salary relief and then not replacing them on The MLB roster) isn’t going to help - marginal ballpark fans actually like watching former Allstars who win 14+ games or hit 20 HRs and don’t like watching bullpen games. They aren’t what’s keeping fans away.

We are t ever going to win 90 (or much less 100) games with a minimum wage roster of draftees and prospects we downgraded thru trades for, not matter how good our development system gets. (And even if we did - They wouldn’t win in the playoffs because they would have zero experience playing in October and that experience is the most valuable and underrated factor that determines winners). To win We need to supplement heavily with the right veterans and be willing to spend. But if Bloom doesn’t maintain the fan base in the short term, where will that spending ever come from?

Instead he needs to come up with a hybrid path forward and stop all thoughts of tanking. Spend enough on some level of star power at areas of need (we can certainly afford some upgrades now if we don’t wait too long), maybe more popular, experienced and well known coaching staff. And try to win enough to get into the playoffs.

We don’t have to win a pennant in year 1, but we do need to start accumulating October experience and earn some valuable revenue from those extra ticket sales. Momentum is a real thing when if comes to revenue and cash management - the more you win the more you earn and can afford to win more, but it has to all start with a willingness to invest sooner rather than later and not wait until it’s too late to be able to spend. And we can do all this without sacrificing anything significant in our new minor league process.

Jesus [fork]ing Christ, can this organization reset for like three [fork]ing months without people coming out and implying no fan is going to come to the games and we will be the pirates, blah blah.

My god.

You said: "Trading Willson or Gray for junk (salary relief and then not replacing them on The MLB roster) isn’t going to help"

Who says that won't help?

[fork]ing short sighted people. Jeez...

[Hazelwood72]

If II & III continue to go beggar thy fans in ‘26, they will getexactly what they richly deserve attendancewise.

Expenses need to match or be less than revenues. Just like with any business.

Yet, the Cardinals were more profitable when they spent more on players. Losing a million fans really decreases revenues, no?

[Ozziesfan41]

If II & III continue to go beggar thy fans in ‘26, they will getexactly what they richly deserve attendancewise.

Expenses need to match or be less than revenues. Just like with any business.

Yet, the Cardinals were more profitable when they spent more on players. Losing a million fans really decreases revenues, no?

Yep. And cranny should know if a business that once sold a great product but then changes and starts selling an inferior product is going to lose money

[Cranny]

If II & III continue to go beggar thy fans in ‘26, they will getexactly what they richly deserve attendancewise.

Expenses need to match or be less than revenues. Just like with any business.

Yet, the Cardinals were more profitable when they spent more on players. Losing a million fans really decreases revenues, no?

They spent on Goldy and Arenado. How’d that work out?

[ecleme22]

Here's what's going to happen:

Thay will trade:
1. Gray
2. Arenado
3. Willson (maybo)
4. Donovan (maybe)
5. Burleson (maybe)
6. Gorman (maybe)

With that, they will get some salary relief and add prospects. The best prospects they can get. They will be used for either future MLB prospects or trade bait. Also, they will grab 2-3 starters in FA to flip at the deadline and to eat innings.

From there, the team (along with the 2023 and 2025 sell off) will have prospects to to test on the MLB roster.

By 2027, the team will know what they have. Maybe they trade more at the 2026 TDL and the offseason.

By 2027, they will spend money.

It's not that hard to understand. I think, coupled with Bloom remaking the minors and the team being in a quasi rebuild for the last three years, it will flip around really soon (2027) to where we start becoming really competitive again...

JMO.

[Cranny]

Here's what's going to happen:

Thay will trade:
1. Gray
2. Arenado
3. Willson (maybo)
4. Donovan (maybe)
5. Burleson (maybe)
6. Gorman (maybe)

With that, they will get some salary relief and add prospects. The best prospects they can get. They will be used for either future MLB prospects or trade bait. Also, they will grab 2-3 starters in FA to flip at the deadline and to eat innings.

From there, the team (along with the 2023 and 2025 sell off) will have prospects to to test on the MLB roster.

By 2027, the team will know what they have. Maybe they trade more at the 2026 TDL and the offseason.

By 2027, they will spend money.

It's not that hard to understand. I think, coupled with Bloom remaking the minors and the team being in a quasi rebuild for the last three years, it will flip around really soon (2027) to where we start becoming really competitive again...

JMO.

Thank you for your opinion, Ecleme. We all have them.

[ecleme22]

Here's what's going to happen:

Thay will trade:
1. Gray
2. Arenado
3. Willson (maybo)
4. Donovan (maybe)
5. Burleson (maybe)
6. Gorman (maybe)

With that, they will get some salary relief and add prospects. The best prospects they can get. They will be used for either future MLB prospects or trade bait. Also, they will grab 2-3 starters in FA to flip at the deadline and to eat innings.

From there, the team (along with the 2023 and 2025 sell off) will have prospects to to test on the MLB roster.

By 2027, the team will know what they have. Maybe they trade more at the 2026 TDL and the offseason.

By 2027, they will spend money.

It's not that hard to understand. I think, coupled with Bloom remaking the minors and the team being in a quasi rebuild for the last three years, it will flip around really soon (2027) to where we start becoming really competitive again...

JMO.

Thank you for your opinion, Ecleme. We all have them.

Thanks, Cranny.

Maybe you disagree, but I just think this will be the softest of rebuilds and people are complaining.

It's like a beautiful, but in bad shape, 150-year-old home that is about to collapse.

While the experts are securing the foundation and pouring concrete, the neighbors are chirping about the paint job.

[hmoss859]

2026 is a throwaway season at MLB level

BDW digging in his heels in for 2027 lockout, he might sell after other owners cave to MLBPA

[Banner29]

2026 is a throwaway season at MLB level

BDW digging in his heels in for 2027 lockout, he might sell after other owners cave to MLBPA

One can only hope. We don’t need an owner behind in the times

[Carp4Cy]

If II & III continue to go beggar thy fans in ‘26, they will getexactly what they richly deserve attendancewise.

Expenses need to match or be less than revenues. Just like with any business.

Every business has periods where their outflow exceeds their inflow. It’s called investing. Without it they will enter a death spiral.

[Carp4Cy]

Here's what's going to happen:

Thay will trade:
1. Gray
2. Arenado
3. Willson (maybo)
4. Donovan (maybe)
5. Burleson (maybe)
6. Gorman (maybe)

With that, they will get some salary relief and add prospects. The best prospects they can get. They will be used for either future MLB prospects or trade bait. Also, they will grab 2-3 starters in FA to flip at the deadline and to eat innings.

From there, the team (along with the 2023 and 2025 sell off) will have prospects to to test on the MLB roster.

By 2027, the team will know what they have. Maybe they trade more at the 2026 TDL and the offseason.

By 2027, they will spend money.

It's not that hard to understand. I think, coupled with Bloom remaking the minors and the team being in a quasi rebuild for the last three years, it will flip around really soon (2027) to where we start becoming really competitive again...

JMO.

That’s a theory. Problem with it is if they are really bad again next year they might lose even more fans and then they Won’t be able to spend money in 2027.

They need to do both. Spend enough now to increase the fan base and compete for a WC while also developing the prospects and that way 2026 will support the spending in 2027.

[Carp4Cy]

Here's what's going to happen:

Thay will trade:
1. Gray
2. Arenado
3. Willson (maybo)
4. Donovan (maybe)
5. Burleson (maybe)
6. Gorman (maybe)

With that, they will get some salary relief and add prospects. The best prospects they can get. They will be used for either future MLB prospects or trade bait. Also, they will grab 2-3 starters in FA to flip at the deadline and to eat innings.

From there, the team (along with the 2023 and 2025 sell off) will have prospects to to test on the MLB roster.

By 2027, the team will know what they have. Maybe they trade more at the 2026 TDL and the offseason.

By 2027, they will spend money.

It's not that hard to understand. I think, coupled with Bloom remaking the minors and the team being in a quasi rebuild for the last three years, it will flip around really soon (2027) to where we start becoming really competitive again...

JMO.

Thank you for your opinion, Ecleme. We all have them.

Thanks, Cranny.

Maybe you disagree, but I just think this will be the softest of rebuilds and people are complaining.

It's like a beautiful, but in bad shape, 150-year-old home that is about to collapse.

While the experts are securing the foundation and pouring concrete, the neighbors are chirping about the paint job.

I disagree. It’s a little more like a F1 car that Could be completely rebuilt in 150 seconds if they wanted to. Yet they have 6 months and still arent willing to even order the right parts.

[Carp4Cy]

2026 is a throwaway season at MLB level

BDW digging in his heels in for 2027 lockout, he might sell after other owners cave to MLBPA

That could be another fatal mistake. It’s a lot easier to keep a customer/fan that it is to gain a new one after you’ve lost one.

If Bill throws away another season and loses more fans, he’s risking a death spiral.