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a smell of green grass
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Cardinals, not the Blues.

The Blues draft 15 or higher by strong choice. At that range, you don't need Scouts. You just need a dart board.
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a smell of green grass wrote: 08 Oct 2025 20:41 pm Cardinals, not the Blues.

The Blues draft 15 or higher by strong choice. At that range, you don't need Scouts. You just need a dart board.
Then Army has proven he’s great at darts….
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Bubble4427 wrote: 08 Oct 2025 22:06 pm
a smell of green grass wrote: 08 Oct 2025 20:41 pm Cardinals, not the Blues.

The Blues draft 15 or higher by strong choice. At that range, you don't need Scouts. You just need a dart board.
Then Army has proven he’s great at darts….
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Hahaha. Wow, this must be exhausting for you to have Army tap dancing in your head 24/7. Really explains the delirium.
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a smell of green grass wrote: 08 Oct 2025 20:41 pm Cardinals, not the Blues.

The Blues draft 15 or higher by strong choice. At that range, you don't need Scouts. You just need a dart board.
Yeah, no. I would argue that at this position your scouting department is more vital than ever. You need good people who are trained to recognize unrealized talent from those who have topped out in their potential. There is a lot less room for error when you draft 15 or higher and you must have the scouting to make good evaluations that lead to solid decision making on selection.
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MandatoryDenial wrote: 09 Oct 2025 07:09 am
a smell of green grass wrote: 08 Oct 2025 20:41 pm Cardinals, not the Blues.

The Blues draft 15 or higher by strong choice. At that range, you don't need Scouts. You just need a dart board.
Yeah, no. I would argue that at this position your scouting department is more vital than ever. You need good people who are trained to recognize unrealized talent from those who have topped out in their potential. There is a lot less room for error when you draft 15 or higher and you must have the scouting to make good evaluations that lead to solid decision making on selection.
I disagree.

When you draft low, you are drafting on future potential, and future growth. No one can predict that, at least not very well. And you know how I know this? Because when these prospects fail, the GM IS NOT BLAMED. It's the player's fault 100%.

Conversely, when you draft 1,2,3,4,5, you better be a good scout because MISTAKES ARE GLARING. If the draft pick is mediocre, the GM IS BLAMED.

It's amazing to me that Army is considered a good scout, when he has NEVER selected high. He's been handed Olympic Gold for winning a few games on the sandlot.

Dvorsky is the highest that Army has drafted in forever. How is that working out? Is he looking like he is a future NHL standout? I don't think that anyone is predicting that for quite some time.
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a smell of green grass wrote: 09 Oct 2025 08:25 am
MandatoryDenial wrote: 09 Oct 2025 07:09 am
a smell of green grass wrote: 08 Oct 2025 20:41 pm Cardinals, not the Blues.

The Blues draft 15 or higher by strong choice. At that range, you don't need Scouts. You just need a dart board.
Yeah, no. I would argue that at this position your scouting department is more vital than ever. You need good people who are trained to recognize unrealized talent from those who have topped out in their potential. There is a lot less room for error when you draft 15 or higher and you must have the scouting to make good evaluations that lead to solid decision making on selection.
I disagree.

When you draft low, you are drafting on future potential, and future growth. No one can predict that, at least not very well. And you know how I know this? Because when these prospects fail, the GM IS NOT BLAMED. It's the player's fault 100%.

Conversely, when you draft 1,2,3,4,5, you better be a good scout because MISTAKES ARE GLARING. If the draft pick is mediocre, the GM IS BLAMED.

It's amazing to me that Army is considered a good scout, when he has NEVER selected high. He's been handed Olympic Gold for winning a few games on the sandlot.

Dvorsky is the highest that Army has drafted in forever. How is that working out? Is he looking like he is a future NHL standout? I don't think that anyone is predicting that for quite some time.
Because the players that he does draft, which are not TOP5 and are in the area that you just stated are nearly impossible to predict, have largely exceeded their draft place expectations, thus keeping the Blues successful and out of the cellar with poor teams who need TOP5 picks to be successful. Congratulations, you just proved that DA is excellent at drafting and his job.
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Asogg is the biggest (bleep). I’d consider hiring a hacker to dox him so he can’t hide behind a screen. What a loser
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He didn't have any friends growing up so he continually played with himself.
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Over the last 10 years, give or take, the Cardinals allowed their scouting department and minor league coaching to fall to the bottom of the league. Unconscionable for an organization who for many decades were near the top of the baseball pyramid in both. They literally had zero choice to improve and spend money in both areas or risk continuing to be a losing team year after year. And what happens when you consistently lose? Fans stop coming. Because most fans don't care who you draft, they only care about wins and losses.

Now that Chaim Bloom has taken over for Mo, he did what any person with a working brain would do and spend and improve scouting and minor league coaching. Thankfully the Blues are extremely strong in scouting and coaching, so zero need for them to focus on this area.
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diehardbluesfan1 wrote: 09 Oct 2025 09:07 am Asogg is the biggest (bleep). I’d consider hiring a hacker to dox him so he can’t hide behind a screen. What a loser
Yet posters here keep responding to the same sheeet over and over.
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dhsux wrote: 09 Oct 2025 09:30 am
diehardbluesfan1 wrote: 09 Oct 2025 09:07 am Asogg is the biggest (bleep). I’d consider hiring a hacker to dox him so he can’t hide behind a screen. What a loser
Yet posters here keep responding to the same sheeet over and over.
Victim shaming?
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You're wanting the Blues to be more like the Cardinals?

They're a complete [shirt] storm and show you how not to run an organization
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Tony Feltrin and his staff are among the absolute best at their jobs in the NHL this is shown by the performance of their draft picks going back almost 10 yrs now. Lame, more junk from an attention seeking moron.
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a smell of green grass wrote: 08 Oct 2025 20:41 pm Cardinals, not the Blues.

The Blues draft 15 or higher by strong choice. At that range, you don't need Scouts. You just need a dart board.
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a smell of green grass wrote: 09 Oct 2025 08:25 am
MandatoryDenial wrote: 09 Oct 2025 07:09 am
a smell of green grass wrote: 08 Oct 2025 20:41 pm Cardinals, not the Blues.

The Blues draft 15 or higher by strong choice. At that range, you don't need Scouts. You just need a dart board.
Yeah, no. I would argue that at this position your scouting department is more vital than ever. You need good people who are trained to recognize unrealized talent from those who have topped out in their potential. There is a lot less room for error when you draft 15 or higher and you must have the scouting to make good evaluations that lead to solid decision making on selection.
I disagree.

When you draft low, you are drafting on future potential, and future growth. No one can predict that, at least not very well. And you know how I know this? Because when these prospects fail, the GM IS NOT BLAMED. It's the player's fault 100%.

Conversely, when you draft 1,2,3,4,5, you better be a good scout because MISTAKES ARE GLARING. If the draft pick is mediocre, the GM IS BLAMED.

It's amazing to me that Army is considered a good scout, when he has NEVER selected high. He's been handed Olympic Gold for winning a few games on the sandlot.

Dvorsky is the highest that Army has drafted in forever. How is that working out? Is he looking like he is a future NHL standout? I don't think that anyone is predicting that for quite some time.
First off, Army is not a good scout or a bad scout for he is not a scout. Nor has he ever been a scout. He’s obviously one of the main talent evaluators in the org but we have a whole scouting dept for that purpose. And under the 3 separate Directors of Amateur Scouting that have been under Army, the draft results have been way above league average under all 3 (Jarmo Kekalainen, Bill Armstrong and now Tony Feltrin). Jarmo and Bill were so good at their jobs that they were hired away by other teams to be their GM. Tony, while not on the job a ton of years yet, has already had good success with Neighbours, Bolduc, Snuggerud with the guys from 2023, 2024 and 2025 looking good too. But it takes time for the fruit from the drafting tree to blossom.

Also, your premise that you keep pushing that somehow GMs (or their scouting depts) aren’t judged for picks in the mid 1st is simply plain wrong. It’s yet another (false) opinion of yours you present as fact. Of course they’re held accountable! Heck, many here still complain about Perunovich even though he was a 45th overall pick and the kid drafted 45th overall has about a 70-75% chance of not making it.

Also, you say “When you draft low, you are drafting on future potential, and future growth. No one can predict that, at least not very well.” I could not disagree more. That’s quite literally the definitely it scouting! Trying to predict what these imperfect 17-18 yr olds that have a ton of growth ahead of them will develop into in 5-10 years is quite literally the job. But you underscore just what a hard job it is…yet somehow miss the point completely. Identifying the best player in the draft usually isn’t the hard part. It’s identifying the underheralded player that has a lot of skill and the reasons why you think he’s going to pop and shoot up in development in the coming years that’s much harder. And the Blues have shown time and again that they’re abominable the very best at that.
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