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No Molina?12xu wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 19:52 pm I have not looked at the youtube video, but here are my 20 greatest Cardinals:
1.Musial
2.Hornsby
3.Gibson
4.Pujols
5.Ozzie
6.Boyer
7.Brock
8.Schoendienst
9.Slaughter
10.Dean
11.Simmons
12.Medwick
13.Mize
14.Bottomley
15.Flood
16.Edmonds
17.Brecheen
18.Haines
19.Wainwright
20.Lankford
Woops.........Put Molina in, take Lankford out.brock118 wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 20:03 pmNo Molina?12xu wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 19:52 pm I have not looked at the youtube video, but here are my 20 greatest Cardinals:
1.Musial
2.Hornsby
3.Gibson
4.Pujols
5.Ozzie
6.Boyer
7.Brock
8.Schoendienst
9.Slaughter
10.Dean
11.Simmons
12.Medwick
13.Mize
14.Bottomley
15.Flood
16.Edmonds
17.Brecheen
18.Haines
19.Wainwright
20.Lankford
Good correction. I'll be curious to see other names to consider.12xu wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 20:49 pmWoops.........Put Molina in, take Lankford out.brock118 wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 20:03 pmNo Molina?12xu wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 19:52 pm I have not looked at the youtube video, but here are my 20 greatest Cardinals:
1.Musial
2.Hornsby
3.Gibson
4.Pujols
5.Ozzie
6.Boyer
7.Brock
8.Schoendienst
9.Slaughter
10.Dean
11.Simmons
12.Medwick
13.Mize
14.Bottomley
15.Flood
16.Edmonds
17.Brecheen
18.Haines
19.Wainwright
20.Lankford
I went with Haines because of his 210 victories - all with the Cardinals, plus a 3-1 record in the World Series. He beat the mighty Yankees in the 1926 WS, shutting them out 4-0 in game 3, and won the deciding game 7 (with some help from Pete Alexander). He also won a game in the 1930 WS, and pitched in relief at age 40 in the 1934 WS. His ERA in WS games - 1.67.sp25 wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 23:21 pmGood correction. I'll be curious to see other names to consider.12xu wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 20:49 pmWoops.........Put Molina in, take Lankford out.brock118 wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 20:03 pmNo Molina?12xu wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 19:52 pm I have not looked at the youtube video, but here are my 20 greatest Cardinals:
1.Musial
2.Hornsby
3.Gibson
4.Pujols
5.Ozzie
6.Boyer
7.Brock
8.Schoendienst
9.Slaughter
10.Dean
11.Simmons
12.Medwick
13.Mize
14.Bottomley
15.Flood
16.Edmonds
17.Brecheen
18.Haines
19.Wainwright
20.Lankford
Such as Chris Carpenter, to me the most important Cardinals pitcher since Gibson.
Or:
Bob Forsch
Scott Rolen
Frankie Frisch
Willie McGee
Mort Cooper
The one I would argue for most is Carp, probably over Haines (without looking up numbers)
Good stuff, thanks12xu wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 07:34 amI went with Haines because of his 210 victories - all with the Cardinals, plus a 3-1 record in the World Series. He beat the mighty Yankees in the 1926 WS, shutting them out 4-0 in game 3, and won the deciding game 7 (with some help from Pete Alexander). He also won a game in the 1930 WS, and pitched in relief at age 40 in the 1934 WS. His ERA in WS games - 1.67.sp25 wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 23:21 pmGood correction. I'll be curious to see other names to consider.12xu wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 20:49 pmWoops.........Put Molina in, take Lankford out.brock118 wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 20:03 pmNo Molina?12xu wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 19:52 pm I have not looked at the youtube video, but here are my 20 greatest Cardinals:
1.Musial
2.Hornsby
3.Gibson
4.Pujols
5.Ozzie
6.Boyer
7.Brock
8.Schoendienst
9.Slaughter
10.Dean
11.Simmons
12.Medwick
13.Mize
14.Bottomley
15.Flood
16.Edmonds
17.Brecheen
18.Haines
19.Wainwright
20.Lankford
Such as Chris Carpenter, to me the most important Cardinals pitcher since Gibson.
Or:
Bob Forsch
Scott Rolen
Frankie Frisch
Willie McGee
Mort Cooper
The one I would argue for most is Carp, probably over Haines (without looking up numbers)
Carpenter won 95 games with the Cardinals, and he was nearly as intense a competitor on the mound as Gibson. His performances in the 2006 and 2011 playoffs and WS were incredible, and the Cards would not have those WS wins without him. If he had not missed so much time (all of '03, and most of '07,'08, and '12) his record would certainly be more impressive. He was also injured and unable to pitch in the '04 playoffs and WS, and I believe the outcome of that '04 WS could have been different had he been available to pitch. He was tough to leave off.
IF we make this the top 25 Cardinals of all time - he is easily in, along with Lankford, Frisch, Chick Hafey, and the beloved Willie McGee
Recency bias. Mize was a monster, hard to fathom that he was traded
brock118 wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 20:03 pmNo Molina?12xu wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 19:52 pm I have not looked at the youtube video, but here are my 20 greatest Cardinals:
1.Musial
2.Hornsby
3.Gibson
4.Pujols
5.Ozzie
6.Boyer
7.Brock
8.Schoendienst
9.Slaughter
10.Dean
11.Simmons
12.Medwick
13.Mize
14.Bottomley
15.Flood
16.Edmonds
17.Brecheen
18.Haines
19.Wainwright
20.Lankford
Here are the top 20 based on WAR accumulated while with the Cardinals. Funny how similar the WAR list is to most fan lists considering how awful the WAR metric supposedly is.Yeah, it's amazing how many criticize WAR but have no other "total player value" indicator to replace it. And look at the WAR leaders every year -- they are the best players with few exceptions. (https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/war)JohnnyMO wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 10:24 am
Stan Musial
Albert Pujols
Rogers Hornsby
Gibson
Ozzie Smith
Ken Boyer
Enos Slaughter
Ted Simmons
Curt Flood
Lou Brock
Yadier Molina
Joe Medwick
Jim Edmonds
Johnny Mize
Ray Lankford
Red Schoendienst
Keith Hernandez
Jim Bottomley
Frankie Frisch
Marty Marion
One of the very few players the great Branch Rickey traded too soon. If the Cardinals would have had Mize in the lineup with Musial, Slaughter, and Schoendienst they might have won more WS in '47-'49.