20 GREATEST St. Louis Cardinals Players of All Time

[MrPostman01]

https://youtu.be/AAnHyACs4bs

[12xu]

I have not looked at the youtube video, but here are my 20 greatest Cardinals:

1.Musial
2.Hornsby
3.Gibson
4.Pujols
5.Ozzie
6.Boyer
7.Brock
8.Schoendienst
9.Slaughter
10.Dean
11.Simmons
12.Medwick
13.Mize
14.Bottomley
15.Flood
16.Edmonds
17.Brecheen
18.Haines
19.Wainwright
20.Lankford

[brock118]

I have not looked at the youtube video, but here are my 20 greatest Cardinals:

1.Musial
2.Hornsby
3.Gibson
4.Pujols
5.Ozzie
6.Boyer
7.Brock
8.Schoendienst
9.Slaughter
10.Dean
11.Simmons
12.Medwick
13.Mize
14.Bottomley
15.Flood
16.Edmonds
17.Brecheen
18.Haines
19.Wainwright
20.Lankford

No Molina?

[12xu]

I have not looked at the youtube video, but here are my 20 greatest Cardinals:

1.Musial
2.Hornsby
3.Gibson
4.Pujols
5.Ozzie
6.Boyer
7.Brock
8.Schoendienst
9.Slaughter
10.Dean
11.Simmons
12.Medwick
13.Mize
14.Bottomley
15.Flood
16.Edmonds
17.Brecheen
18.Haines
19.Wainwright
20.Lankford

No Molina?

Woops.........Put Molina in, take Lankford out.

[sp25]

I have not looked at the youtube video, but here are my 20 greatest Cardinals:

1.Musial
2.Hornsby
3.Gibson
4.Pujols
5.Ozzie
6.Boyer
7.Brock
8.Schoendienst
9.Slaughter
10.Dean
11.Simmons
12.Medwick
13.Mize
14.Bottomley
15.Flood
16.Edmonds
17.Brecheen
18.Haines
19.Wainwright
20.Lankford

No Molina?

Woops.........Put Molina in, take Lankford out.

Good correction. I'll be curious to see other names to consider.

Such as Chris Carpenter, to me the most important Cardinals pitcher since Gibson.

Or:
Bob Forsch
Scott Rolen
Frankie Frisch
Willie McGee
Mort Cooper

The one I would argue for most is Carp, probably over Haines (without looking up numbers)

[12xu]

I have not looked at the youtube video, but here are my 20 greatest Cardinals:

1.Musial
2.Hornsby
3.Gibson
4.Pujols
5.Ozzie
6.Boyer
7.Brock
8.Schoendienst
9.Slaughter
10.Dean
11.Simmons
12.Medwick
13.Mize
14.Bottomley
15.Flood
16.Edmonds
17.Brecheen
18.Haines
19.Wainwright
20.Lankford

No Molina?

Woops.........Put Molina in, take Lankford out.

Good correction. I'll be curious to see other names to consider.

Such as Chris Carpenter, to me the most important Cardinals pitcher since Gibson.

Or:
Bob Forsch
Scott Rolen
Frankie Frisch
Willie McGee
Mort Cooper

The one I would argue for most is Carp, probably over Haines (without looking up numbers)

I went with Haines because of his 210 victories - all with the Cardinals, plus a 3-1 record in the World Series. He beat the mighty Yankees in the 1926 WS, shutting them out 4-0 in game 3, and won the deciding game 7 (with some help from Pete Alexander). He also won a game in the 1930 WS, and pitched in relief at age 40 in the 1934 WS. His ERA in WS games - 1.67.

Carpenter won 95 games with the Cardinals, and he was nearly as intense a competitor on the mound as Gibson. His performances in the 2006 and 2011 playoffs and WS were incredible, and the Cards would not have those WS wins without him. If he had not missed so much time (all of '03, and most of '07,'08, and '12) his record would certainly be more impressive. He was also injured and unable to pitch in the '04 playoffs and WS, and I believe the outcome of that '04 WS could have been different had he been available to pitch. He was tough to leave off.

IF we make this the top 25 Cardinals of all time - he is easily in, along with Lankford, Frisch, Chick Hafey, and the beloved Willie McGee

[HorseTrader]

Throw in a honorable mention of John Tudor. Career with the Cards was too short to be in top 20 or 25 but the 85 season was something. Starts of 1-7 and ends the year 21-8.

The list with the additions and changes looks great. A guy could argue to move some players up or down but the list is great

[sp25]

I have not looked at the youtube video, but here are my 20 greatest Cardinals:

1.Musial
2.Hornsby
3.Gibson
4.Pujols
5.Ozzie
6.Boyer
7.Brock
8.Schoendienst
9.Slaughter
10.Dean
11.Simmons
12.Medwick
13.Mize
14.Bottomley
15.Flood
16.Edmonds
17.Brecheen
18.Haines
19.Wainwright
20.Lankford

No Molina?

Woops.........Put Molina in, take Lankford out.

Good correction. I'll be curious to see other names to consider.

Such as Chris Carpenter, to me the most important Cardinals pitcher since Gibson.

Or:
Bob Forsch
Scott Rolen
Frankie Frisch
Willie McGee
Mort Cooper

The one I would argue for most is Carp, probably over Haines (without looking up numbers)

I went with Haines because of his 210 victories - all with the Cardinals, plus a 3-1 record in the World Series. He beat the mighty Yankees in the 1926 WS, shutting them out 4-0 in game 3, and won the deciding game 7 (with some help from Pete Alexander). He also won a game in the 1930 WS, and pitched in relief at age 40 in the 1934 WS. His ERA in WS games - 1.67.

Carpenter won 95 games with the Cardinals, and he was nearly as intense a competitor on the mound as Gibson. His performances in the 2006 and 2011 playoffs and WS were incredible, and the Cards would not have those WS wins without him. If he had not missed so much time (all of '03, and most of '07,'08, and '12) his record would certainly be more impressive. He was also injured and unable to pitch in the '04 playoffs and WS, and I believe the outcome of that '04 WS could have been different had he been available to pitch. He was tough to leave off.

IF we make this the top 25 Cardinals of all time - he is easily in, along with Lankford, Frisch, Chick Hafey, and the beloved Willie McGee

Good stuff, thanks

[kscardsfan]

Close but I take Keith Hernandez over Johnny Mize.

[sp25]

Close but I take Keith Hernandez over Johnny Mize.

Recency bias. Mize was a monster, hard to fathom that he was traded

[moose-and-squirrel]

Close but I take Keith Hernandez over Johnny Mize.

Recency bias. Mize was a monster, hard to fathom that he was traded

yup.. dude was a beast

[rockondlouie]

I have not looked at the youtube video, but here are my 20 greatest Cardinals:

1.Musial
2.Hornsby
3.Gibson
4.Pujols
5.Ozzie
6.Boyer
7.Brock
8.Schoendienst
9.Slaughter
10.Dean
11.Simmons
12.Medwick
13.Mize
14.Bottomley
15.Flood
16.Edmonds
17.Brecheen
18.Haines
19.Wainwright
20.Lankford

No Molina?

or Bruce Sutter or Chris Carpenter (but I get it since their stints as Cardinals wasn't very long)?

[JohnnyMO]

Here are the top 20 based on WAR accumulated while with the Cardinals. Funny how similar the WAR list is to most fan lists considering how awful the WAR metric supposedly is.

Stan Musial
Albert Pujols
Rogers Hornsby
Gibson
Ozzie Smith
Ken Boyer
Enos Slaughter
Ted Simmons
Curt Flood
Lou Brock
Yadier Molina
Joe Medwick
Jim Edmonds
Johnny Mize
Ray Lankford
Red Schoendienst
Keith Hernandez
Jim Bottomley
Frankie Frisch
Marty Marion

[ClassicO]

Here are the top 20 based on WAR accumulated while with the Cardinals. Funny how similar the WAR list is to most fan lists considering how awful the WAR metric supposedly is.

Stan Musial
Albert Pujols
Rogers Hornsby
Gibson
Ozzie Smith
Ken Boyer
Enos Slaughter
Ted Simmons
Curt Flood
Lou Brock
Yadier Molina
Joe Medwick
Jim Edmonds
Johnny Mize
Ray Lankford
Red Schoendienst
Keith Hernandez
Jim Bottomley
Frankie Frisch
Marty Marion

Yeah, it's amazing how many criticize WAR but have no other "total player value" indicator to replace it. And look at the WAR leaders every year -- they are the best players with few exceptions. (https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/war)

The argument that "it's not a statistic" is moronic, as no single stat shows total player value. It has to be an amalgam of hitting, baserunning and defense.

[12xu]

Close but I take Keith Hernandez over Johnny Mize.

Recency bias. Mize was a monster, hard to fathom that he was traded

One of the very few players the great Branch Rickey traded too soon. If the Cardinals would have had Mize in the lineup with Musial, Slaughter, and Schoendienst they might have won more WS in '47-'49.

[Clubmaker2]

Tommy Herr not quite there.