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rockondlouie wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 08:49 am Seattle has done a great job drafting & developing pitching.

Pierpont looks like another great hire by Bloom.

From what I know Bloom doesn't like to rush young starters to big leagues until they're fully ready.

But given Doyle was a college pitcher and not a H.S. pick, I'd say there's a good chance we see him late 2026 if he's having success and moving up quickly through the system.

ramfandan wrote: ↑30 Sep 2025 22:14 pm Pierpont was Seattle's Pitching Coordinator prior to Bloom hiring him as Director of Pitching for the Cardinals .
How quickly Doyle gets to the Cardinals major league roster may be an indicator of the new Cardinals development team .. at least on the pitching side of things.
Something I will keep an eye on for 2026 as Doyle pitches in Memphis .

HorseTrader wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 09:25 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 08:49 am Seattle has done a great job drafting & developing pitching.

Pierpont looks like another great hire by Bloom.

From what I know Bloom doesn't like to rush young starters to big leagues until they're fully ready.

But given Doyle was a college pitcher and not a H.S. pick, I'd say there's a good chance we see him late 2026 if he's having success and moving up quickly through the system.

I don't it's just young starters, what I took was that he thought it was better to give players a little more time in the minors rather then rushing them, Makes me think Walker has a ticket to AAA next spring.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 10:16 am

HorseTrader wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 09:25 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 08:49 am Seattle has done a great job drafting & developing pitching.

Pierpont looks like another great hire by Bloom.

From what I know Bloom doesn't like to rush young starters to big leagues until they're fully ready.

But given Doyle was a college pitcher and not a H.S. pick, I'd say there's a good chance we see him late 2026 if he's having success and moving up quickly through the system.

I don't it's just young starters, what I took was that he thought it was better to give players a little more time in the minors rather then rushing them, Makes me think Walker has a ticket to AAA next spring.

But especially pitchers, I think he's fine w/JJW starting at 2nd base on OD in 2026.........he's more than ready.

I've been saying for months now that I'd start Walker at Memphis in 2026 and keep him there the entire season (Gorman too unless both NADO & Donny are dealt and he's needed at 3rd base).

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 10:17 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 10:16 am

HorseTrader wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 09:25 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 08:49 am Seattle has done a great job drafting & developing pitching.

Pierpont looks like another great hire by Bloom.

From what I know Bloom doesn't like to rush young starters to big leagues until they're fully ready.

But given Doyle was a college pitcher and not a H.S. pick, I'd say there's a good chance we see him late 2026 if he's having success and moving up quickly through the system.

I don't it's just young starters, what I took was that he thought it was better to give players a little more time in the minors rather then rushing them, Makes me think Walker has a ticket to AAA next spring.

But especially pitchers, I think he's fine w/JJW starting at 2nd base on OD in 2026.........he's more than ready.

I've been saying for months now that I'd start Walker at Memphis in 2026 and keep him there the entire season (Gorman too unless both NADO & Donny are dealt and he's needed at 3rd base).

Agreed on JJ. I really don't know what he has left to prove. He's been a dude at every level.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 10:16 am

HorseTrader wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 09:25 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 08:49 am Seattle has done a great job drafting & developing pitching.

Pierpont looks like another great hire by Bloom.

From what I know Bloom doesn't like to rush young starters to big leagues until they're fully ready.

But given Doyle was a college pitcher and not a H.S. pick, I'd say there's a good chance we see him late 2026 if he's having success and moving up quickly through the system.

I don't it's just young starters, what I took was that he thought it was better to give players a little more time in the minors rather then rushing them, Makes me think Walker has a ticket to AAA next spring.

But especially pitchers, I think he's fine w/JJW starting at 2nd base on OD in 2026.........he's more than ready.

I've been saying for months now that I'd start Walker at Memphis in 2026 and keep him there the entire season (Gorman too unless both NADO & Donny are dealt and he's needed at 3rd base).

okcardfan wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 16:09 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 10:16 am

HorseTrader wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 09:25 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 08:49 am Seattle has done a great job drafting & developing pitching.

Pierpont looks like another great hire by Bloom.

From what I know Bloom doesn't like to rush young starters to big leagues until they're fully ready.

But given Doyle was a college pitcher and not a H.S. pick, I'd say there's a good chance we see him late 2026 if he's having success and moving up quickly through the system.

I don't it's just young starters, what I took was that he thought it was better to give players a little more time in the minors rather then rushing them, Makes me think Walker has a ticket to AAA next spring.

But especially pitchers, I think he's fine w/JJW starting at 2nd base on OD in 2026.........he's more than ready.

I've been saying for months now that I'd start Walker at Memphis in 2026 and keep him there the entire season (Gorman too unless both NADO & Donny are dealt and he's needed at 3rd base).

I have to agree with you on all points. On Gorman & Walker, Cards couldn't get enough from trading them to outweigh their value if they finally develop, unlikely tho that may be.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 08:43 am

okcardfan wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 16:09 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 10:16 am

HorseTrader wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 09:25 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 08:49 am Seattle has done a great job drafting & developing pitching.

Pierpont looks like another great hire by Bloom.

From what I know Bloom doesn't like to rush young starters to big leagues until they're fully ready.

But given Doyle was a college pitcher and not a H.S. pick, I'd say there's a good chance we see him late 2026 if he's having success and moving up quickly through the system.

I don't it's just young starters, what I took was that he thought it was better to give players a little more time in the minors rather then rushing them, Makes me think Walker has a ticket to AAA next spring.

But especially pitchers, I think he's fine w/JJW starting at 2nd base on OD in 2026.........he's more than ready.

I've been saying for months now that I'd start Walker at Memphis in 2026 and keep him there the entire season (Gorman too unless both NADO & Donny are dealt and he's needed at 3rd base).

I have to agree with you on all points. On Gorman & Walker, Cards couldn't get enough from trading them to outweigh their value if they finally develop, unlikely tho that may be.

Thx Okie

And agree, dealing Walker and/or Gorman now likely nets Bloom nothing of value.

dugoutrex wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 08:51 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 08:43 am

okcardfan wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 16:09 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 10:16 am

HorseTrader wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 09:25 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 08:49 am Seattle has done a great job drafting & developing pitching.

Pierpont looks like another great hire by Bloom.

From what I know Bloom doesn't like to rush young starters to big leagues until they're fully ready.

But given Doyle was a college pitcher and not a H.S. pick, I'd say there's a good chance we see him late 2026 if he's having success and moving up quickly through the system.

I don't it's just young starters, what I took was that he thought it was better to give players a little more time in the minors rather then rushing them, Makes me think Walker has a ticket to AAA next spring.

But especially pitchers, I think he's fine w/JJW starting at 2nd base on OD in 2026.........he's more than ready.

I've been saying for months now that I'd start Walker at Memphis in 2026 and keep him there the entire season (Gorman too unless both NADO & Donny are dealt and he's needed at 3rd base).

I have to agree with you on all points. On Gorman & Walker, Cards couldn't get enough from trading them to outweigh their value if they finally develop, unlikely tho that may be.

Thx Okie

And agree, dealing Walker and/or Gorman now likely nets Bloom nothing of value.

not true - many teams would give JW or Norman a shot / I think it's time to cut bait

rockondlouie wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 09:00 am

dugoutrex wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 08:51 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 08:43 am

okcardfan wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 16:09 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 10:16 am

HorseTrader wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 09:25 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 08:49 am Seattle has done a great job drafting & developing pitching.

Pierpont looks like another great hire by Bloom.

From what I know Bloom doesn't like to rush young starters to big leagues until they're fully ready.

But given Doyle was a college pitcher and not a H.S. pick, I'd say there's a good chance we see him late 2026 if he's having success and moving up quickly through the system.

I don't it's just young starters, what I took was that he thought it was better to give players a little more time in the minors rather then rushing them, Makes me think Walker has a ticket to AAA next spring.

But especially pitchers, I think he's fine w/JJW starting at 2nd base on OD in 2026.........he's more than ready.

I've been saying for months now that I'd start Walker at Memphis in 2026 and keep him there the entire season (Gorman too unless both NADO & Donny are dealt and he's needed at 3rd base).

I have to agree with you on all points. On Gorman & Walker, Cards couldn't get enough from trading them to outweigh their value if they finally develop, unlikely tho that may be.

Thx Okie

And agree, dealing Walker and/or Gorman now likely nets Bloom nothing of value.

not true - many teams would give JW or Norman a shot / I think it's time to cut bait

You're living in dreamland if you think Walker and/or Gorman would net the Cardinals anything of value in a straight up trade.

Sure teams would roll the dice, but the return would be minimal.

But we're in agreement, I'd have no problem cutting bait on both.

dugoutrex wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 09:42 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 09:00 am

dugoutrex wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 08:51 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 08:43 am

okcardfan wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 16:09 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 10:16 am

HorseTrader wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 09:25 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 08:49 am Seattle has done a great job drafting & developing pitching.

Pierpont looks like another great hire by Bloom.

From what I know Bloom doesn't like to rush young starters to big leagues until they're fully ready.

But given Doyle was a college pitcher and not a H.S. pick, I'd say there's a good chance we see him late 2026 if he's having success and moving up quickly through the system.

I don't it's just young starters, what I took was that he thought it was better to give players a little more time in the minors rather then rushing them, Makes me think Walker has a ticket to AAA next spring.

But especially pitchers, I think he's fine w/JJW starting at 2nd base on OD in 2026.........he's more than ready.

I've been saying for months now that I'd start Walker at Memphis in 2026 and keep him there the entire season (Gorman too unless both NADO & Donny are dealt and he's needed at 3rd base).

I have to agree with you on all points. On Gorman & Walker, Cards couldn't get enough from trading them to outweigh their value if they finally develop, unlikely tho that may be.

Thx Okie

And agree, dealing Walker and/or Gorman now likely nets Bloom nothing of value.

not true - many teams would give JW or Norman a shot / I think it's time to cut bait

You're living in dreamland if you think Walker and/or Gorman would net the Cardinals anything of value in a straight up trade.

Sure teams would roll the dice, but the return would be minimal.

But we're in agreement, I'd have no problem cutting bait on both.

oh yeah - the return would be minimal indeed but ... keeping them and playing them has NEGATIVE value imo

craviduce wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 10:14 am how quickly can he develop a player? Well that depends on the player. And you have to wait and see how they respond to really good opposition. AA will offer a good test, then AAA will really offer a good test..

The player in question needs to get north of 100 innings in a season...something he's never done in a continuous effort (5-6 straight months). He reached 99 innings total last season, 95 with Tenn., almost 4 innings with St. Louis farm after nearly 2 month break.

And lastly...when the said player is ready. His off-speed offerings hang in the upper part the zone too much...and are crushed. He's not ready.