Can we all agree that NA and PG are not HOF material

[Bully4you]

Now that both are gone.
Is it the consensus that they should or should not be in the Hall?
Terrible in the playoffs.
Neither are leaders of men.
Both have stats that are vastly overrated due to ball parks they played in.
I'm not sold on either going to the hall.

[Jatalk]

Now that both are gone.
Is it the consensus that they should or should not be in the Hall?
Terrible in the playoffs.
Neither are leaders of men.
Both have stats that are vastly overrated due to ball parks they played in.
I'm not sold on either going to the hall.

I agree but my opinion is that their are too many in HOF and Cardinals HOF.

[3dender]

no we cannot

[Bully4you]

no we cannot

You think they should be in?
Played in Col and AZ.
Some of the most hitter friendly parks.
Lousy in the playoffs.
I wouldn't vote them in.

[scoutyjones2]

Now that both are gone.
Is it the consensus that they should or should not be in the Hall?
Terrible in the playoffs.
Neither are leaders of men.
Both have stats that are vastly overrated due to ball parks they played in.
I'm not sold on either going to the hall.

No. Of course not

[Bully4you]

Now that both are gone.
Is it the consensus that they should or should not be in the Hall?
Terrible in the playoffs.
Neither are leaders of men.
Both have stats that are vastly overrated due to ball parks they played in.
I'm not sold on either going to the hall.

No. Of course not

You think they are HOF worthy?
Okay.
I don't, but I doubt I am alone either.
So, stop rolling your eyes Sheeba.

[Basil Shabazz]

Are Adrian Gonzalez & Evan Longoria HOFers?

Moving on....

[C-Unit]

I think they were both looked in that light long enough that they both at least have a chance. Arenado because of all the gold gloves at 3rd base (would he go in with a Rockies cap? I think so). If you remember, there was a time when Goldschmidt and Freeman were both viewed somewhat parallel as maybe being future Hall of Famers. Since then, Freeman's resume has grown much more. Freeman at this point is a sure HOF, Goldschmidt it depends whether they think his ~10 year prime was good enough (and he'd have to wait a long time, like Rolen did). He just could easily end up as Hall of Very Good. That's probably more likely.

[nighthawk]

Neither of them are first ballot. Goldschmidt may get in as he was rated among the top three players in the league four times in MVP voting, winning it once. So, the writers thought he was excellent. He also has gold gloves and seemed to be steady presence on his teams. He's ending his career like Johnny Mize, but isn't the hitter that Mize was.

Arenado was rated among the top three players only twice and never won it and I'm not sure the Gold Gloves are enough to overcome the "Coors Effect." He's basically a great fielding Vinny Castillo who really had zero consideration.

[C-Unit]

Larry Walker 68.7 fWar 72 bWar 383 HR 7 Gold Glove
Arenado 51.6 fWar 57.8 bWar 353 HR 10 Gold Glove

The fact that Larry Walker was looked at so favorably bodes well for Arenado I think. Arenado may have done just enough, and he had a 5 year stretch in Colorado that showed natural talent that would play in any ballpark.

Arenado could help his case by hanging on in the league for a few more years, and adding to his stats. That might be too much to ask.

[12xu]

Goldy is 38, and Arenado is 34. Right now, Goldy has the counting stats slightly above Arenado. Goldy does not have overwhelming numbers as a first baseman to get in the HOF. It also seems like he will not play much longer. If he retires now, I don't think he will be voted in, but he could get in later with the veteran committee.

Arenado could definitely get in if he plays another 2 or 3 seasons and has strong offensive numbers - something at least like he did in 2023. (26 HR, 93 RBI). If he does worse than this year in the future, it could kill his chance to be voted in.

His defense has been so great and this will have a strong effect on his chance to make the Hall. Voters will consider how he benefitted from playing in Denver for 8 years, but of course his defense was not reliant on the thin mountain air. There are only 16 third basemen currently in the HOF, and Arenado compares favorably with many of them.

[rockondlouie]

Goldy:

Hall of Fame Monitor
Batting - Goldy 109 (158th), Likely HOFer ≈ 100

JAWS
First Base (15th):
Goldy 63.8 career WAR | 45.0 7yr-peak WAR | 54.4 JAWS | 5.0 WAR/162
Average HOF 1B (out of 25):
65.0 career WAR | 42.0 7yr-peak WAR | 53.5 JAWS | 4.8 WAR/162


NADO:

Hall of Fame Monitor
NADO Batting - 122 (127th), Likely HOFer ≈ 100

JAWS
Third Base (20th):
NADO 57.8 career WAR | 44.2 7yr-peak WAR | 51.0 JAWS | 5.2 WAR/162
Average HOF 3B (out of 18):
68.9 career WAR | 43.4 7yr-peak WAR | 56.1 JAWS | 5.1 WAR/162


I think both get in eventually but neither is 1st ballot.

JMO

[blackinkbiz]

Now that both are gone.
Is it the consensus that they should or should not be in the Hall?
Terrible in the playoffs.
Neither are leaders of men.
Both have stats that are vastly overrated due to ball parks they played in.
I'm not sold on either going to the hall.

I'm not an Arenado fan (because he's his own worst enemy--headcase who chokes when it counts, played through injury this year, admitting it hurt the team) but IMO he's a HOF candidate. In fact, many will say he's a first ballot. His Coors numbers aren't that inflated. He had a couple offensive seasons in STL that were on par with COL, although the HR and RBI were a little less. But many will say he was the best 3rd baseman of the 2010's, including AI apparently as I did a search. Best 3rd basemen for a decade likely garners HOF attention.

[3dender]

Goldy is 38, and Arenado is 34. Right now, Goldy has the counting stats slightly above Arenado. Goldy does not have overwhelming numbers as a first baseman to get in the HOF. It also seems like he will not play much longer. If he retires now, I don't think he will be voted in, but he could get in later with the veteran committee.

Arenado could definitely get in if he plays another 2 or 3 seasons and has strong offensive numbers - something at least like he did in 2023. (26 HR, 93 RBI). If he does worse than this year in the future, it could kill his chance to be voted in.

His defense has been so great and this will have a strong effect on his chance to make the Hall. Voters will consider how he benefitted from playing in Denver for 8 years, but of course his defense was not reliant on the thin mountain air. There are only 16 third basemen currently in the HOF, and Arenado compares favorably with many of them.

Yes, Arenado will get in for the same reason Yadi does... game-changing, generational defense. People looking at offense and WAR are missing the point.

[Bushiro]

149 years of mlb and he's arguably the best defensive 3rd baseman in history....easily top 3...not mention he could also hit...you can't keep that out of the hof...he gets in

[CraigPaquette]

The HOF is mirroring the current playoff format as they will accept pretty much anyone who had a decent career. No way either one should even be placed on the ballot but as I said they'll accept pretty much anyone these days.