Gray's option for 2027

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Gray's option for 2027

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If we don't pickup his option or renegotiate, he gets $5M at the end fo 2026 to walk away. But if we take the option, and IF the entire 2027 season gets locked out, he gets a pro-rated amount of $30M which would in that case be zero.

There's a pessimistic case for saving money by taking the option.
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Re: Gray's option for 2027

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Carp4Cy wrote: 25 Sep 2025 10:47 am If we don't pickup his option or renegotiate, he gets $5M at the end fo 2026 to walk away. But if we take the option, and IF the entire 2027 season gets locked out, he gets a pro-rated amount of $30M which would in that case be zero.

There's a pessimistic case for saving money by taking the option.
That should be another teams problem.
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Re: Gray's option for 2027

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alw80 wrote: 25 Sep 2025 11:22 am
Carp4Cy wrote: 25 Sep 2025 10:47 am If we don't pickup his option or renegotiate, he gets $5M at the end fo 2026 to walk away. But if we take the option, and IF the entire 2027 season gets locked out, he gets a pro-rated amount of $30M which would in that case be zero.

There's a pessimistic case for saving money by taking the option.
That should be another teams problem.
If they play more than one month of the season in 2027 you lose that bet. I think they will not play all season, but I wouldn't bet that kind of money on it.
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Re: Gray's option for 2027

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Talkin' Baseball wrote: 25 Sep 2025 11:36 am
alw80 wrote: 25 Sep 2025 11:22 am
Carp4Cy wrote: 25 Sep 2025 10:47 am If we don't pickup his option or renegotiate, he gets $5M at the end fo 2026 to walk away. But if we take the option, and IF the entire 2027 season gets locked out, he gets a pro-rated amount of $30M which would in that case be zero.

There's a pessimistic case for saving money by taking the option.
That should be another teams problem.
If they play more than one month of the season in 2027 you lose that bet. I think they will not play all season, but I wouldn't bet that kind of money on it.
That's why he should be traded this offseason.
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Re: Gray's option for 2027

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alw80 wrote: 25 Sep 2025 11:41 am
Talkin' Baseball wrote: 25 Sep 2025 11:36 am
alw80 wrote: 25 Sep 2025 11:22 am
Carp4Cy wrote: 25 Sep 2025 10:47 am If we don't pickup his option or renegotiate, he gets $5M at the end fo 2026 to walk away. But if we take the option, and IF the entire 2027 season gets locked out, he gets a pro-rated amount of $30M which would in that case be zero.

There's a pessimistic case for saving money by taking the option.
That should be another teams problem.
If they play more than one month of the season in 2027 you lose that bet. I think they will not play all season, but I wouldn't bet that kind of money on it.
That's why he should be traded this offseason.
Yeah, not at $35 million...he's not bringing anything
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Re: Gray's option for 2027

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scoutyjones2 wrote: 25 Sep 2025 11:55 am
alw80 wrote: 25 Sep 2025 11:41 am
Talkin' Baseball wrote: 25 Sep 2025 11:36 am
alw80 wrote: 25 Sep 2025 11:22 am
Carp4Cy wrote: 25 Sep 2025 10:47 am If we don't pickup his option or renegotiate, he gets $5M at the end fo 2026 to walk away. But if we take the option, and IF the entire 2027 season gets locked out, he gets a pro-rated amount of $30M which would in that case be zero.

There's a pessimistic case for saving money by taking the option.
That should be another teams problem.
If they play more than one month of the season in 2027 you lose that bet. I think they will not play all season, but I wouldn't bet that kind of money on it.
That's why he should be traded this offseason.
Yeah, not at $35 million...he's not bringing anything
He does nothing for this team.
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Re: Gray's option for 2027

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ERA is on the rise, hits are on the rise, HRs are on the rise. I think we try to move him this off-season with the idea the Cards are NO WAY close to being a playoff team and if he wants some playoff action anytime soon he might want to agree to a trade. He ain't getting any younger.
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Re: Gray's option for 2027

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alw80 wrote: 25 Sep 2025 12:02 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 25 Sep 2025 11:55 am
alw80 wrote: 25 Sep 2025 11:41 am
Talkin' Baseball wrote: 25 Sep 2025 11:36 am
alw80 wrote: 25 Sep 2025 11:22 am
Carp4Cy wrote: 25 Sep 2025 10:47 am If we don't pickup his option or renegotiate, he gets $5M at the end fo 2026 to walk away. But if we take the option, and IF the entire 2027 season gets locked out, he gets a pro-rated amount of $30M which would in that case be zero.

There's a pessimistic case for saving money by taking the option.
That should be another teams problem.
If they play more than one month of the season in 2027 you lose that bet. I think they will not play all season, but I wouldn't bet that kind of money on it.
That's why he should be traded this offseason.
Yeah, not at $35 million...he's not bringing anything
He does nothing for this team.
That's why other teams won't want him at that cost
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Re: Gray's option for 2027

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scoutyjones2 wrote: 25 Sep 2025 12:03 pm
alw80 wrote: 25 Sep 2025 12:02 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 25 Sep 2025 11:55 am
alw80 wrote: 25 Sep 2025 11:41 am
Talkin' Baseball wrote: 25 Sep 2025 11:36 am
alw80 wrote: 25 Sep 2025 11:22 am
Carp4Cy wrote: 25 Sep 2025 10:47 am If we don't pickup his option or renegotiate, he gets $5M at the end fo 2026 to walk away. But if we take the option, and IF the entire 2027 season gets locked out, he gets a pro-rated amount of $30M which would in that case be zero.

There's a pessimistic case for saving money by taking the option.
That should be another teams problem.
If they play more than one month of the season in 2027 you lose that bet. I think they will not play all season, but I wouldn't bet that kind of money on it.
That's why he should be traded this offseason.
Yeah, not at $35 million...he's not bringing anything
He does nothing for this team.
That's why other teams won't want him at that cost
There is definitely a market for him, but no team is taking on all that money.
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Re: Gray's option for 2027

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At $30 million in 2027 I'd be a hard pass on the option. ERA last 3 seasons is 2.97, 3.84, 4.28 he will not be worth $30 million in 2027 unless he finds a way to reverse the aging process in which case I want to know what it is so I can get some.
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Re: Gray's option for 2027

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alw80 wrote: 25 Sep 2025 12:02 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 25 Sep 2025 11:55 am
alw80 wrote: 25 Sep 2025 11:41 am
Talkin' Baseball wrote: 25 Sep 2025 11:36 am
alw80 wrote: 25 Sep 2025 11:22 am
Carp4Cy wrote: 25 Sep 2025 10:47 am If we don't pickup his option or renegotiate, he gets $5M at the end fo 2026 to walk away. But if we take the option, and IF the entire 2027 season gets locked out, he gets a pro-rated amount of $30M which would in that case be zero.

There's a pessimistic case for saving money by taking the option.
That should be another teams problem.
If they play more than one month of the season in 2027 you lose that bet. I think they will not play all season, but I wouldn't bet that kind of money on it.
That's why he should be traded this offseason.
Yeah, not at $35 million...he's not bringing anything
He does nothing for this team.
14 wins. 15 last night if we had any defense at all.
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Re: Gray's option for 2027

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scoutyjones2 wrote: 25 Sep 2025 12:03 pm
alw80 wrote: 25 Sep 2025 12:02 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 25 Sep 2025 11:55 am
alw80 wrote: 25 Sep 2025 11:41 am
Talkin' Baseball wrote: 25 Sep 2025 11:36 am
alw80 wrote: 25 Sep 2025 11:22 am
Carp4Cy wrote: 25 Sep 2025 10:47 am If we don't pickup his option or renegotiate, he gets $5M at the end fo 2026 to walk away. But if we take the option, and IF the entire 2027 season gets locked out, he gets a pro-rated amount of $30M which would in that case be zero.

There's a pessimistic case for saving money by taking the option.
That should be another teams problem.
If they play more than one month of the season in 2027 you lose that bet. I think they will not play all season, but I wouldn't bet that kind of money on it.
That's why he should be traded this offseason.
Yeah, not at $35 million...he's not bringing anything
He does nothing for this team.
That's why other teams won't want him at that cost
He's a solid 2 eat some salary and get a prospect. Serves no
Purpose here.
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Re: Gray's option for 2027

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Carp4Cy wrote: 25 Sep 2025 12:17 pm
alw80 wrote: 25 Sep 2025 12:02 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 25 Sep 2025 11:55 am
alw80 wrote: 25 Sep 2025 11:41 am
Talkin' Baseball wrote: 25 Sep 2025 11:36 am
alw80 wrote: 25 Sep 2025 11:22 am
Carp4Cy wrote: 25 Sep 2025 10:47 am If we don't pickup his option or renegotiate, he gets $5M at the end fo 2026 to walk away. But if we take the option, and IF the entire 2027 season gets locked out, he gets a pro-rated amount of $30M which would in that case be zero.

There's a pessimistic case for saving money by taking the option.
That should be another teams problem.
If they play more than one month of the season in 2027 you lose that bet. I think they will not play all season, but I wouldn't bet that kind of money on it.
That's why he should be traded this offseason.
Yeah, not at $35 million...he's not bringing anything
He does nothing for this team.
14 wins. 15 last night if we had any defense at all.
So he has some value to a good team.
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Re: Gray's option for 2027

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Carp4Cy wrote: 25 Sep 2025 12:17 pm
alw80 wrote: 25 Sep 2025 12:02 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 25 Sep 2025 11:55 am
alw80 wrote: 25 Sep 2025 11:41 am
Talkin' Baseball wrote: 25 Sep 2025 11:36 am
alw80 wrote: 25 Sep 2025 11:22 am
Carp4Cy wrote: 25 Sep 2025 10:47 am If we don't pickup his option or renegotiate, he gets $5M at the end fo 2026 to walk away. But if we take the option, and IF the entire 2027 season gets locked out, he gets a pro-rated amount of $30M which would in that case be zero.

There's a pessimistic case for saving money by taking the option.
That should be another teams problem.
If they play more than one month of the season in 2027 you lose that bet. I think they will not play all season, but I wouldn't bet that kind of money on it.
That's why he should be traded this offseason.
Yeah, not at $35 million...he's not bringing anything
He does nothing for this team.
14 wins. 15 last night if we had any defense at all.
LOL. Judging by wins. 4.28 ERA and always increasing is not good...
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Re: Gray's option for 2027

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Carp4Cy wrote: 25 Sep 2025 12:17 pm
alw80 wrote: 25 Sep 2025 12:02 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 25 Sep 2025 11:55 am
alw80 wrote: 25 Sep 2025 11:41 am
Talkin' Baseball wrote: 25 Sep 2025 11:36 am
alw80 wrote: 25 Sep 2025 11:22 am
Carp4Cy wrote: 25 Sep 2025 10:47 am If we don't pickup his option or renegotiate, he gets $5M at the end fo 2026 to walk away. But if we take the option, and IF the entire 2027 season gets locked out, he gets a pro-rated amount of $30M which would in that case be zero.

There's a pessimistic case for saving money by taking the option.
That should be another teams problem.
If they play more than one month of the season in 2027 you lose that bet. I think they will not play all season, but I wouldn't bet that kind of money on it.
That's why he should be traded this offseason.
Yeah, not at $35 million...he's not bringing anything
He does nothing for this team.
14 wins. 15 last night if we had any defense at all.
Gray has been solid.

Gray also wants to be traded.

Trade Gray, then pick up two pitchers with that money saved.
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Re: Gray's option for 2027

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ecleme22 wrote: 25 Sep 2025 12:38 pm
Carp4Cy wrote: 25 Sep 2025 12:17 pm
alw80 wrote: 25 Sep 2025 12:02 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 25 Sep 2025 11:55 am
alw80 wrote: 25 Sep 2025 11:41 am
Talkin' Baseball wrote: 25 Sep 2025 11:36 am
alw80 wrote: 25 Sep 2025 11:22 am
Carp4Cy wrote: 25 Sep 2025 10:47 am If we don't pickup his option or renegotiate, he gets $5M at the end fo 2026 to walk away. But if we take the option, and IF the entire 2027 season gets locked out, he gets a pro-rated amount of $30M which would in that case be zero.

There's a pessimistic case for saving money by taking the option.
That should be another teams problem.
If they play more than one month of the season in 2027 you lose that bet. I think they will not play all season, but I wouldn't bet that kind of money on it.
That's why he should be traded this offseason.
Yeah, not at $35 million...he's not bringing anything
He does nothing for this team.
14 wins. 15 last night if we had any defense at all.
Gray has been solid.

Gray also wants to be traded.

Trade Gray, then pick up two pitchers with that money saved.
I don't trust BDW to reinvenst anything. Unless its a 1 yr deal for lance lynn and kyle gibson types. Gray excites me more than that.
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