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703 games
.266 avg
116 Home Runs
421 RBI
.777 OPS

3-time All -Star , 2 Gold Gloves

It is a shame he was in the shadow of Miles Mikolas the entire time.

Nine figures don’t buy much anymore.

ramfandan wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 20:25 pm source : FanDuel pregame show

703 games
.266 avg
116 Home Runs
421 RBI
.777 OPS

3-time All -Star , 2 Gold Gloves

All that and he is still a bust. The last two years have been dismal. Playoff performance was terrible. When it came time lead ( by performance) he couldn’t be found.

Compare with Scott Rolen's 6 years in St. Louis:

ROLEN
661 games
.286 avg.
111 HR
453 RBI
.879 OPS
26 bWAR
4 time All Star, 3 Gold Gloves

ARENADO
703 games
.266 avg
116 Home Runs
421 RBI
.777 OPS
18.1 bWAR
3-time All -Star , 2 Gold Gloves

12xu wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 07:27 am Compare with Scott Rolen's 6 years in St. Louis:

ROLEN
661 games
.286 avg.
111 HR
453 RBI
.879 OPS
26 bWAR
4 time All Star, 3 Gold Gloves

ARENADO
703 games
.266 avg
116 Home Runs
421 RBI
.777 OPS
18.1 bWAR
3-time All -Star , 2 Gold Gloves

The difference between getting a hitter at 26 and 30.

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 08:09 am

12xu wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 07:27 am Compare with Scott Rolen's 6 years in St. Louis:

ROLEN
661 games
.286 avg.
111 HR
453 RBI
.879 OPS
26 bWAR
4 time All Star, 3 Gold Gloves

ARENADO
703 games
.266 avg
116 Home Runs
421 RBI
.777 OPS
18.1 bWAR
3-time All -Star , 2 Gold Gloves

The difference between getting a hitter at 26 and 30.

Great point. NA wasn’t the P[ositively] O[bnoxious] S[impleton] people say he was because he got old. His hard nosed play over the years likely advanced his decline too. I hope he finds a good spot and finishes better. Big fan of NA.

To be honest, his 1st 3 years in regular season was very good overall. His last 2 was obvious decline - I don't know if he would have ever signed off with a better gm negotiating with him, but I'm sure we could have gotten rid of his contract if we traded him 2 years ago when he started to show signs of decline.

Still worth the contract - we just have a sucky GM, IMO that did not support him and Goldy outside of maybe the Pujols year to see what he would have looked like with other great players.

12xu wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 07:27 am Compare with Scott Rolen's 6 years in St. Louis:

ROLEN
661 games
.286 avg.
111 HR
453 RBI
.879 OPS
26 bWAR
4 time All Star, 3 Gold Gloves

ARENADO
703 games
.266 avg
116 Home Runs
421 RBI
.777 OPS
18.1 bWAR
3-time All -Star , 2 Gold Gloves

Good comp

Pretty da mn close too.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 08:59 am

12xu wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 07:27 am Compare with Scott Rolen's 6 years in St. Louis:

ROLEN
661 games
.286 avg.
111 HR
453 RBI
.879 OPS
26 bWAR
4 time All Star, 3 Gold Gloves

ARENADO
703 games
.266 avg
116 Home Runs
421 RBI
.777 OPS
18.1 bWAR
3-time All -Star , 2 Gold Gloves

Good comp

Pretty da mn close too.

Are you high? It’s not close.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 08:59 am

12xu wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 07:27 am Compare with Scott Rolen's 6 years in St. Louis:

ROLEN
661 games
.286 avg.
111 HR
453 RBI
.879 OPS
26 bWAR
4 time All Star, 3 Gold Gloves

ARENADO
703 games
.266 avg
116 Home Runs
421 RBI
.777 OPS
18.1 bWAR
3-time All -Star , 2 Gold Gloves

Good comp

Pretty da mn close too.

Take Rolen any day of week and twice on Sunday. More clutch….more impactful….

Goldfan wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 09:06 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 08:59 am

12xu wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 07:27 am Compare with Scott Rolen's 6 years in St. Louis:

ROLEN
661 games
.286 avg.
111 HR
453 RBI
.879 OPS
26 bWAR
4 time All Star, 3 Gold Gloves

ARENADO
703 games
.266 avg
116 Home Runs
421 RBI
.777 OPS
18.1 bWAR
3-time All -Star , 2 Gold Gloves

Good comp

Pretty da mn close too.

Take Rolen any day of week and twice on Sunday. More clutch….more impactful….

If we acknowledge NADO has been hurt his last two season and we take their first three full seasons here:

Rolen:
67 HR
256 RBI
.289 .384 .533 .917
137 OPS+
3 AS games
2 GG
Top 4 MVP finish

NADO:
90 HR
301 RBI
.271 .328 .495 .824
126 OPS+
3 AS games
2 GG
Top 3 MVP finish

The edge does go to Rolen, but still da mn close.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 09:12 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 09:06 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 08:59 am

12xu wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 07:27 am Compare with Scott Rolen's 6 years in St. Louis:

ROLEN
661 games
.286 avg.
111 HR
453 RBI
.879 OPS
26 bWAR
4 time All Star, 3 Gold Gloves

ARENADO
703 games
.266 avg
116 Home Runs
421 RBI
.777 OPS
18.1 bWAR
3-time All -Star , 2 Gold Gloves

Good comp

Pretty da mn close too.

Take Rolen any day of week and twice on Sunday. More clutch….more impactful….

If we acknowledge NADO has been hurt his last two season and we take their first three full seasons here:

Rolen:
67 HR
256 RBI
.289 .384 .533 .917
137 OPS+
3 AS games
2 GG
Top 4 MVP finish

NADO:
90 HR
301 RBI
.271 .328 .495 .824
126 OPS+
3 AS games
2 GG
Top 3 MVP finish

The edge does go to Rolen, but still da mn close.

I wanted NA here, but I’ve soured on him after seeing his lack of leadership, aloofness at times, and moping around

rockondlouie wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 09:12 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 09:06 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 08:59 am

12xu wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 07:27 am Compare with Scott Rolen's 6 years in St. Louis:

ROLEN
661 games
.286 avg.
111 HR
453 RBI
.879 OPS
26 bWAR
4 time All Star, 3 Gold Gloves

ARENADO
703 games
.266 avg
116 Home Runs
421 RBI
.777 OPS
18.1 bWAR
3-time All -Star , 2 Gold Gloves

Good comp

Pretty da mn close too.

Take Rolen any day of week and twice on Sunday. More clutch….more impactful….

If we acknowledge NADO has been hurt his last two season and we take their first three full seasons here:

Rolen:
67 HR
256 RBI
.289 .384 .533 .917
137 OPS+
3 AS games
2 GG
Top 4 MVP finish

NADO:
90 HR
301 RBI
.271 .328 .495 .824
126 OPS+
3 AS games
2 GG
Top 3 MVP finish

The edge does go to Rolen, but still da mn close.

It’s not close

Goldfan wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 09:17 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 09:12 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 09:06 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 08:59 am

12xu wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 07:27 am Compare with Scott Rolen's 6 years in St. Louis:

ROLEN
661 games
.286 avg.
111 HR
453 RBI
.879 OPS
26 bWAR
4 time All Star, 3 Gold Gloves

ARENADO
703 games
.266 avg
116 Home Runs
421 RBI
.777 OPS
18.1 bWAR
3-time All -Star , 2 Gold Gloves

Good comp

Pretty da mn close too.

Take Rolen any day of week and twice on Sunday. More clutch….more impactful….

If we acknowledge NADO has been hurt his last two season and we take their first three full seasons here:

Rolen:
67 HR
256 RBI
.289 .384 .533 .917
137 OPS+
3 AS games
2 GG
Top 4 MVP finish

NADO:
90 HR
301 RBI
.271 .328 .495 .824
126 OPS+
3 AS games
2 GG
Top 3 MVP finish

The edge does go to Rolen, but still da mn close.

I wanted NA here, but I’ve soured on him after seeing his lack of leadership, aloofness at times, and moping around

I'm still a fan, he gave us three great seasons and has been dinged up the last two.

I'd make that deal 100/100 times.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 10:31 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 09:17 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 09:12 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 09:06 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 08:59 am

12xu wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 07:27 am Compare with Scott Rolen's 6 years in St. Louis:

ROLEN
661 games
.286 avg.
111 HR
453 RBI
.879 OPS
26 bWAR
4 time All Star, 3 Gold Gloves

ARENADO
703 games
.266 avg
116 Home Runs
421 RBI
.777 OPS
18.1 bWAR
3-time All -Star , 2 Gold Gloves

Good comp

Pretty da mn close too.

Take Rolen any day of week and twice on Sunday. More clutch….more impactful….

If we acknowledge NADO has been hurt his last two season and we take their first three full seasons here:

Rolen:
67 HR
256 RBI
.289 .384 .533 .917
137 OPS+
3 AS games
2 GG
Top 4 MVP finish

NADO:
90 HR
301 RBI
.271 .328 .495 .824
126 OPS+
3 AS games
2 GG
Top 3 MVP finish

The edge does go to Rolen, but still da mn close.

I wanted NA here, but I’ve soured on him after seeing his lack of leadership, aloofness at times, and moping around

I'm still a fan, he gave us three great seasons and has been dinged up the last two.

I'd make that deal 100/100 times.

2021 and 2023 werent great.