If the Cardinals were looking for answers in 2025

[OldRed]

Did they get the answers they needed on certain players?

[Ozziesfan41]

Did they get the answers they needed on certain players?

They should have. Like lance lynn said if the players didn’t answer questions for you this season then that answers a question

[ramfandan]

Sure that Bloom and Cerfolio gathered quite a bit of info to answer their questions. Some of the info that even fans do not see.

For example , fans see the on field play and stats of the Walkers, Gorman , etc. and fans make their determinations based on just that .
However, Bloom /Cerfolio are there in the clubhouse , batting instruction, practices too
The see a players dedication to preparation .. how much video he watches, how he responds to coaching , batting instruction . They see how he reacts to constructive criticism too. What kind of personal drive he has to be better. So they get more of a total picture of that player.

Gathering all that , they will make a decision if the player is worth keeping or if they are better off cutting ties with the guy.

[HorseTrader]

I think they know the answer, just not what they can do with all of the answers. I'm sure they KNOW they want to move Arenado, Gray and Willie but not how they will manage since all three can say no why no how. Personally I think keeping one of Gray or Willie might be good, just for some veteran leadership.

The rest of the answers
Walker can be sent to AAA next year. So that question can easily be delayed

Ivan, I don't they have the full answer yet. Can he be 3/4 hitter or is he really a 6/7/8 guy. Can he catch or is DH/LF/1B his limit. So his answer is up the air. That could lead to him being added to a trade but I'd guess he stays another year.

Gorman, I think the answer is pretty much that he has great power but isn't able to use effectively. If he was hitting .240 with 30+ homers we'd overlook some of the defense but...... I'd say for another off season his future is linked to Arenado. If they move Arenado, Gorman stays for 1st shot at 3b or as a 3b/2b/1b/DH.

Noot, I think the answer here is - what you see is what you get. That is a player who will be injuried but will manage to pop 12-15 homers, might get lucky and hit 20-25 once or twice in his career. Will play solid OF defense. Is best as probably the 4th OFer on a good team.

Burly if he played LF everyday for a season he might grade out as close to average. He's no worse then Duncan so.... Can also play 1B. As a hitter I don't think he is a real power guy but is a nice hitter. Probably ok for the 3/5/6/7 spots but not really a #4. If some offers them a pretty good minor league pitcher, I think they trade him. Or as part of a package for a real good prospect.

Donovan, the answer is in. Good player, doesn't give hoot where you want him to play. Where ever it is, he's ready and will give you very good defense and will do all he can to win. Good hitter, not a lot of power or speed. Not really a tradional leadoff type but can do it in manner that Carp did. I think of him as a winning player.

Winn, question on defense has been answered. On offense, which is he 2024 or 2025???

Scott, Saggesse and other offense questions need more time for an answer.

Pallante, if this year was the answer, I don't want to know the (bleep) question. Remember Duncan, he'd take any kind of cast off pitcher and turn him to a winner by having them pitch to contact. Used to drive me crazy but it worked. Now they have Dusty taking a pitch to contact guy and trying make him to a strikeout pitcher. Dusty it aint working, didn't work for Miles and it ain't working for Pallante. I know every pitcher/team wants Ks, will that just doesn't work for some guys.

McGrevvy I think you have a question going into next year but one thing they need to pay attention to - he is not and has never been a K guy. He doesn't walk anyone, keeps the ball in the park. There's alot to like.

Libby, I think what you see is what you get. He may improve some but I don't he will ever be an ace

This is just all my opinion. One thing that's came up a time of two this year, is that one or more players don't seem to be taking instructions to heart. Well those players need to go Period

[Carp4Cy]

I think they know the answer, just not what they can do with all of the answers. I'm sure they KNOW they want to move Arenado, Gray and Willie but not how they will manage since all three can say no why no how. Personally I think keeping one of Gray or Willie might be good, just for some veteran leadership.

The rest of the answers
Walker can be sent to AAA next year. So that question can easily be delayed

Ivan, I don't they have the full answer yet. Can he be 3/4 hitter or is he really a 6/7/8 guy. Can he catch or is DH/LF/1B his limit. So his answer is up the air. That could lead to him being added to a trade but I'd guess he stays another year.

Gorman, I think the answer is pretty much that he has great power but isn't able to use effectively. If he was hitting .240 with 30+ homers we'd overlook some of the defense but...... I'd say for another off season his future is linked to Arenado. If they move Arenado, Gorman stays for 1st shot at 3b or as a 3b/2b/1b/DH.

Noot, I think the answer here is - what you see is what you get. That is a player who will be injuried but will manage to pop 12-15 homers, might get lucky and hit 20-25 once or twice in his career. Will play solid OF defense. Is best as probably the 4th OFer on a good team.

Burly if he played LF everyday for a season he might grade out as close to average. He's no worse then Duncan so.... Can also play 1B. As a hitter I don't think he is a real power guy but is a nice hitter. Probably ok for the 3/5/6/7 spots but not really a #4. If some offers them a pretty good minor league pitcher, I think they trade him. Or as part of a package for a real good prospect.

Donovan, the answer is in. Good player, doesn't give hoot where you want him to play. Where ever it is, he's ready and will give you very good defense and will do all he can to win. Good hitter, not a lot of power or speed. Not really a tradional leadoff type but can do it in manner that Carp did. I think of him as a winning player.

Winn, question on defense has been answered. On offense, which is he 2024 or 2025???

Scott, Saggesse and other offense questions need more time for an answer.

Pallante, if this year was the answer, I don't want to know the (drat) question. Remember Duncan, he'd take any kind of cast off pitcher and turn him to a winner by having them pitch to contact. Used to drive me crazy but it worked. Now they have Dusty taking a pitch to contact guy and trying make him to a strikeout pitcher. Dusty it aint working, didn't work for Miles and it ain't working for Pallante. I know every pitcher/team wants Ks, will that just doesn't work for some guys.

McGrevvy I think you have a question going into next year but one thing they need to pay attention to - he is not and has never been a K guy. He doesn't walk anyone, keeps the ball in the park. There's alot to like.

Libby, I think what you see is what you get. He may improve some but I don't he will ever be an ace

This is just all my opinion. One thing that's came up a time of two this year, is that one or more players don't seem to be taking instructions to heart. Well those players need to go Period

Yeah I think you listed where everyone is pretty well. A whole lot of 0-2 WAR guys which is either JAG level or just serviceable to “would start on most teams”. No one is a major stand out.

They’re about 100 players with more home runs in our team leader. That’s a lot of talent to choose from that we don’t have.

There are about 250 MLB players with a higher WAR than Burly. You can’t have a serious lineup where he’s our best hitter in a league with that level of talent.

So it comes down to we have a whole lot of players that we can survive with, but nobody is even close to elite so which ones do you move and how you get those next level of players that we need

[Goldfan]

This real question isn’t about the players. Why does the owner employ FO personnel who can’t figure out these answers well before entire MLB seasons are wasted on talent assessment exercises……
Posters like myself and other enlightened baseball watchers gave these answers last season, this last offseason, and spring training…..AND for years leading up to this rock bottom embarrassment of Cards baseball currently muddling through.
So is the owner and FO this stupid?
Is the new FO stupid?
Is this just a salary save period for BDW til new CBA?
I really hope its the last one because the level of incompetence exhibited is frightening if it isn’t…..

[cardstatman]

No
Gorman, Walker, Siani, Hampson
Pallante, Fernandez, King, Roycroft

Yes
Winn, Herrera, Scott, Burleson, Pages
McGreevy, Leahy, Svanson, O'Brien, Liberatore, Granillo, Alcala

Incomplete
Fermin, Saggese, Pozo, Church, Crooks, Prieto
Graceffo, Munoz, Veneziano, Raquet

[moose-and-squirrel]

No
Gorman, Walker, Siani, Hampson
Pallante, Fernandez, King, Roycroft

Yes
Winn, Herrera, Scott, Burleson, Pages
McGreevy, Leahy, Svanson, O'Brien, Liberatore, Granillo, Alcala

Incomplete
Fermin, Saggese, Pozo, Church, Crooks, Prieto
Graceffo, Munoz, Veneziano, Raquet

I'd add JoJo to the 'yes' group. Move Scott to 'incomplete' (personally a no for me, but.. ymmv)

[HorseTrader]

I think they know the answer, just not what they can do with all of the answers. I'm sure they KNOW they want to move Arenado, Gray and Willie but not how they will manage since all three can say no why no how. Personally I think keeping one of Gray or Willie might be good, just for some veteran leadership.

The rest of the answers
Walker can be sent to AAA next year. So that question can easily be delayed

Ivan, I don't they have the full answer yet. Can he be 3/4 hitter or is he really a 6/7/8 guy. Can he catch or is DH/LF/1B his limit. So his answer is up the air. That could lead to him being added to a trade but I'd guess he stays another year.

Gorman, I think the answer is pretty much that he has great power but isn't able to use effectively. If he was hitting .240 with 30+ homers we'd overlook some of the defense but...... I'd say for another off season his future is linked to Arenado. If they move Arenado, Gorman stays for 1st shot at 3b or as a 3b/2b/1b/DH.

Noot, I think the answer here is - what you see is what you get. That is a player who will be injuried but will manage to pop 12-15 homers, might get lucky and hit 20-25 once or twice in his career. Will play solid OF defense. Is best as probably the 4th OFer on a good team.

Burly if he played LF everyday for a season he might grade out as close to average. He's no worse then Duncan so.... Can also play 1B. As a hitter I don't think he is a real power guy but is a nice hitter. Probably ok for the 3/5/6/7 spots but not really a #4. If some offers them a pretty good minor league pitcher, I think they trade him. Or as part of a package for a real good prospect.

Donovan, the answer is in. Good player, doesn't give hoot where you want him to play. Where ever it is, he's ready and will give you very good defense and will do all he can to win. Good hitter, not a lot of power or speed. Not really a tradional leadoff type but can do it in manner that Carp did. I think of him as a winning player.

Winn, question on defense has been answered. On offense, which is he 2024 or 2025???

Scott, Saggesse and other offense questions need more time for an answer.

Pallante, if this year was the answer, I don't want to know the (drat) question. Remember Duncan, he'd take any kind of cast off pitcher and turn him to a winner by having them pitch to contact. Used to drive me crazy but it worked. Now they have Dusty taking a pitch to contact guy and trying make him to a strikeout pitcher. Dusty it aint working, didn't work for Miles and it ain't working for Pallante. I know every pitcher/team wants Ks, will that just doesn't work for some guys.

McGrevvy I think you have a question going into next year but one thing they need to pay attention to - he is not and has never been a K guy. He doesn't walk anyone, keeps the ball in the park. There's alot to like.

Libby, I think what you see is what you get. He may improve some but I don't he will ever be an ace

This is just all my opinion. One thing that's came up a time of two this year, is that one or more players don't seem to be taking instructions to heart. Well those players need to go Period

Yeah I think you listed where everyone is pretty well. A whole lot of 0-2 WAR guys which is either JAG level or just serviceable to “would start on most teams”. No one is a major stand out.

They’re about 100 players with more home runs in our team leader. That’s a lot of talent to choose from that we don’t have.

There are about 250 MLB players with a higher WAR than Burly. You can’t have a serious lineup where he’s our best hitter in a league with that level of talent.

So it comes down to we have a whole lot of players that we can survive with, but nobody is even close to elite so which ones do you move and how you get those next level of players that we need

In some ways, I don't think things will change much until the new CBA is in place. Dewitt's not going to make a $100 mill dollar bet until he knows what the rules are. I honestly don't blame him for that, it's good business, just not good for winning.

So I don't look for major signings or trades for top level MLB players during the next year. I think 2026 will be work with the young players, pick up low cost vets as needed. I do think they will be active in trading players for prospects.

[Midrange Jay]

The answer is another 20% payroll reduction blamed on attendance.

[Goldfan]

If Bloom has Noot, Gorman, Walker, Pallante in starting roles next April this isn’t a serious organization

[12xu]

To quote Bob Seger, Mo and Bill were "workin' on mysteries without any clues" -

[Dicktar2023]

They have their answers on the biggest questions--Gorman and Walker--they just don't want to hear it.

[Goldfan]

They have their answers on the biggest questions--Gorman and Walker--they just don't want to hear it.

Gorman
.205, .298, .673, 89OPS+, 14HR
Walker
.220, .276, .581, 65OPS+, 5HR
Pallante
6-15, 5.29ERA, 1.438WHIP

If that doesn’t tell the FO something then they need to maybe go run a pickle ball league….

[Dicktar2023]

They have their answers on the biggest questions--Gorman and Walker--they just don't want to hear it.

Gorman
.205, .298, .673, 89OPS+, 14HR
Walker
.220, .276, .581, 65OPS+, 5HR
Pallante
6-15, 5.29ERA, 1.438WHIP

If that doesn’t tell the FO something then they need to maybe go run a pickle ball league….

What happens with Gorman and (especially) Walker will be another way to gauge how much power Bloom really has.

Surely, any thinking person without Mo's psychological demons knows by now that those guys are not going to succeed in this organization...but if BDW believes his own propaganda (or if he still takes late-night phone calls from you-know-who, reminiscing about the good old days), maybe he'll insist on more "runway."

That's one of my biggest fears: that Mo still has his hooks so far into the boss that Bloom isn't going to be allowed to make major changes too quickly, and the FO is going to waste another few years waiting to see how every last Mo contract "works out." I know that doesn't make any sense from a baseball or business perspective, but a whole lot of things don't make sense right now.

[kyace]

I think they see that Walker’s development was screwed over by a front office wanting a new young superstar face of franchise who was no where close to being there. I think they start him in AAA and re work him and hope he listens and improves. I think they will see what teams are willing to offer on Gorman. If they get close to what they want they move him.
Noot is as good as gone. If Nado, Contreras and Gray are willing to waive their NTC they are gone.
Donovan staying or going will be based upon what teams are offering. They won’t move him to just move him. They will want something they think will improve the team for years ongoing.
I think they will add some stating pitching on one year contracts hoping they rebound. Dustin May, Walker Buhler types.