Prospect Points - STL vs Other NHL Cities

[a smell of green grass]

Prospect Points - STL vs Other NHL Cities

This OP will track the total points scored by NHL prospects since 2023.

The current score is
St. Louis Prospects: 0
Other NHL Cities: 469

Summary:
Despite the fact that St Louis has selected a large number of Round 1/2 picks, St Louis has seen their prospects score ZERO points, while other cities have seen 469 points scored by their prospects. While St Louis waits waits waits, the other NHL cities have bought their 3rd jersey of their prospect.


Seasons GP G A TP PIM
2023

#1 Chicago Blackhawks Chicago Blackhawks Connor Bedard (F) 3 150 45 83 128 98
#2 Anaheim Ducks Anaheim Ducks Leo Carlsson (F) 3 131 32 42 74 30
#3 Columbus Blue Jackets Columbus Blue Jackets Adam Fantilli (F) 3 131 43 38 81 34
#4 San Jose Sharks San Jose Sharks Will Smith (F) 2 74 18 27 45 18
#7 Philadelphia Flyers Philadelphia Flyers Matvei Michkov (F) 2 80 26 37 63 46
#8 Washington Capitals Washington Capitals Ryan Leonard (F) 2 9 1 0 1 11
#10 St. Louis Blues St. Louis Blues Dalibor Dvorský (F) 1 2 0 0 0 0
#13 Buffalo Sabres Buffalo Sabres Zach Benson (F) 3 146 21 37 58 96
#15 Nashville Predators Nashville Predators Matthew Wood (F) 2 6 0 1 1 2
#16 Calgary Flames Calgary Flames Samuel Honzek (F) 1 5 0 0 0 2
#19 Chicago Blackhawks Chicago Blackhawks Oliver Moore (F) 1 9 0 4 4 4
#23 New York Rangers New York Rangers Gabe Perreault (F) 2 5 0 0 0 0
#27 Colorado Avalanche Colorado Avalanche Calum Ritchie (F) 1 7 1 0 1 0
#30 Carolina Hurricanes Carolina Hurricanes Bradly Nadeau (F) 2 3 0 1 1 0

2024

#1 San Jose Sharks San Jose Sharks Macklin Celebrini (F) 2 70 25 38 63 28
#2 Chicago Blackhawks Chicago Blackhawks Artyom Levshunov (D) 2 18 0 6 6 8
#5 Montréal Canadiens Montréal Canadiens Ivan Demidov (F) 2 2 1 1 2 0
#9 Calgary Flames Calgary Flames Zayne Parekh (D) 2 1 1 0 1 2
#12 Minnesota Wild Minnesota Wild Zeev Buium (D) 2 0 0 0 0 0
#13 Philadelphia Flyers Philadelphia Flyers Jett Luchanko (F) 1 4 0 0 0 2

[Sophisticated Shoes]

Did anyone else notice the Blues went 3-0-1 the past two years at the Tom Kurver's Prospect Showcase? Pretty impressive against the highly rated Chi & MN prospects.

[Whatashame]

And the only loss was a 3x3 overtime loss.

[2forDiving]

Anyone notice in his fancy stats that the only three teams noted that finished ahead of the Blues in the standings accounted for a grand total of 3 pts? I mean who would have ever guessed that terrible teams over the course of the last decade make up most of the players and point generators in his stats? I mean what’s next? ASOGG telling us water is wet?

[DawgDad]

An utterly STUPID OP.

Is the sun rising in the east, setting in the west?

Please, ASSOGG, count the points in that list by players on playoff teams (half the league), compute the percentage. A truism will be revealed, the purpose of a seeded draft system.

We all get this. All of us.

[a smell of green grass]

This post is charting the ability of the Blues to successfully incorporate young talent into our roster, and comparing our results with all other teams. More specifically, it is charting the results of the infamous RE-WHATEVER that Army claims is OVER. You know. The project that ended without Army taking any bows or showing any results.

Facts that are NOT RELEVANT to the matter:
- The WON-LOSS record of the hockey team before/during/after
- The prospect-only head-to-head competition outside the NHL

However, there are very important factors that impact these numbers.
1. The degree to which the NHL club IS IN NEED of young talent. A team with 4 strong centers (Dallas) will keep a prospect Center out of the NHL, even if he is great. In the case of the Blues, they have needed a young 2C, 3C, and 4C for years. Same with RHD. Same with RW. Conclusion: the Blues ZERO comes in the face of DIRE NEED for young talent at almost every position.

2. The number of draft picks that each NHL organization has had. Conclusion: the Blues have had quite a few more picks than average. From this gift, they are delivering nothing.

3. The natural cycle that the club is in. Conclusion: the Blues just completed their 2+ year re-whatever. The Blues should have MORE successful young talent on their roster than all of the team that are not going through a rebuild. Here again. Even with this strong advantage, the Blues are failing.

4. The draft position of the prospect. Conclusion: Army doesn't want to pick TOP5 or even TOP10. He doesn't need that advantage, he claims. The results speak for the themselves again.

Buckle in folks. This post will show Army's results over the next couple years. I'll show the totals each month so that we can all watch the fruits of Army's draft expertise closely.

[Bluesfan1978]

So is Snuggy a write off? Jake? Petro? Dunn? Mikkola? Broberg? Holloway? Parayko? Binner? Kyrou? Bolduc? You seem to follow Armstrong’s moves you would know he has stated multiple times when you are drafting outside the top 5 you are looking at 2-3 years before they usually develop to a level that they are ready to make the NHL.
As far as judging how the team performs by wins and losses that is exactly how you judge this teams performance. This team only missed the playoffs two years and then played one of the most exciting seasons I’ve seen as a fan since 85-86. They should have made it to round 2. There is no team that wanted to face the Blues in the playoffs last year. Many of the teams drafted players in previous years would have been redrafted much higher. You probably already know that though. I have no doubt that trend will continue but it will take a few more years to prove that.

[STL fan in MN]

And the only loss was a 3x3 overtime loss.

And only lost that one when they put in an undrafted 18 yr old goalie to see what he could do against this level.

Guys, there’s no point. You’re arguing with a cr@pping pigeon. Of course he arbitrarily didn’t include the drafts that would include Neighbours, Bolduc/Mailloux and Snuggerud lol.

[a smell of green grass]

And the only loss was a 3x3 overtime loss.

And only lost that one when they put in an undrafted 18 yr old goalie to see what he could do against this level.

Guys, there’s no point. You’re arguing with a cr@pping pigeon. Of course he arbitrarily didn’t include the drafts that would include Neighbours, Bolduc/Mailloux and Snuggerud lol.

I focused on the re-whatever results.

However, I would love to see the results of earlier drafts. That would be very insightful as well. If I have time, I will be very happy to do that. Better yet, I believe that it would be exceptionally revealing if you would do it. Show me what I am missing, man. Here's your great chance.

[Walter Sobchak00]

And the only loss was a 3x3 overtime loss.

And only lost that one when they put in an undrafted 18 yr old goalie to see what he could do against this level.

Guys, there’s no point. You’re arguing with a cr@pping pigeon. Of course he arbitrarily didn’t include the drafts that would include Neighbours, Bolduc/Mailloux and Snuggerud lol.

I focused on the re-whatever results.

However, I would love to see the results of earlier drafts. That would be very insightful as well. If I have time, I will be very happy to do that. Better yet, I believe that it would be exceptionally revealing if you would do it. Show me what I am missing, man. Here's your great chance.

What you're missing?

Half a brain and a moderater staff that is looking to have a quality forum instead of wanting the page view numbers the trolls add.

[callitwhatyouwant]

Does anyone keep track of regional dishes of other cities that you can get that food in STL?

Where is the Best place to get Deep Dish or Italian Beef?
Where is the best place to get a cheesesteak?
Where is the best place to get some KBBQ?
Is there someone outside of maybe high point that is doing Oklahoma style burgers? I got theirs and it tasted just like pure mustard for some reason.

Anyone have any useful information to add to this thread, since the OP Bot didn't post anything of note?

[moose-and-squirrel]

Does anyone keep track of regional dishes of other cities that you can get that food in STL?

Where is the Best place to get Deep Dish or Italian Beef?
Where is the best place to get a cheesesteak?
Where is the best place to get some KBBQ?
Is there someone outside of maybe high point that is doing Oklahoma style burgers? I got theirs and it tasted just like pure mustard for some reason.

Anyone have any useful information to add to this thread, since the OP Bot didn't post anything of note?

when in doubt.. McDonalds

[dr0zombie]

You can google false statistics examples and Google AI should give you something similar to this.

Examples of misleading statistics include the classic "80% of dentists recommend Colgate" claim, which was misleading because dentists could recommend multiple brands, not just one. Other examples are manipulating graph axes to exaggerate or downplay trends, selectively presenting data to support a specific viewpoint (cherry-picking), making claims from small, unrepresentative samples, or confusing correlation with causation. These are often used in advertising, politics, and media to influence public opinion.


In your selection you hit all the major points

• electively presenting data to support a specific viewpoint (cherry-picking) - Obviously in using a specific year range.
• making claims from small, unrepresentative samples - Again, in using a specific small year range.
• confusing correlation with causation - In this case your entire argument is confusing correlation with causation.
• exaggerate or downplay trends - In this case exaggerate trends from a small sample to IMPLY they would continue out over five or ten years.

Everyone has an opinion. You keep hounding on yours. But let's not use really small sets of data ignoring in this case a decade of history to make your point poorly. At least try to find supporting facts that are not selective samples. Try to make a valid argument so we can actually discuss something.

[SRV1990]

You can google false statistics examples and Google AI should give you something similar to this.

Examples of misleading statistics include the classic "80% of dentists recommend Colgate" claim, which was misleading because dentists could recommend multiple brands, not just one. Other examples are manipulating graph axes to exaggerate or downplay trends, selectively presenting data to support a specific viewpoint (cherry-picking), making claims from small, unrepresentative samples, or confusing correlation with causation. These are often used in advertising, politics, and media to influence public opinion.


In your selection you hit all the major points

• electively presenting data to support a specific viewpoint (cherry-picking) - Obviously in using a specific year range.
• making claims from small, unrepresentative samples - Again, in using a specific small year range.
• confusing correlation with causation - In this case your entire argument is confusing correlation with causation.
• exaggerate or downplay trends - In this case exaggerate trends from a small sample to IMPLY they would continue out over five or ten years.

Everyone has an opinion. You keep hounding on yours. But let's not use really small sets of data ignoring in this case a decade of history to make your point poorly. At least try to find supporting facts that are not selective samples. Try to make a valid argument so we can actually discuss something.

First off, outstanding post!

As for what's in red, this will never, ever happen. Clueless trolls don't care about facts and will never be able to make a valid argument. Vomit nonsense, rinse, repeat... it's all they have.

[STL fan in MN]

And the only loss was a 3x3 overtime loss.

And only lost that one when they put in an undrafted 18 yr old goalie to see what he could do against this level.

Guys, there’s no point. You’re arguing with a cr@pping pigeon. Of course he arbitrarily didn’t include the drafts that would include Neighbours, Bolduc/Mailloux and Snuggerud lol.

I focused on the re-whatever results.

However, I would love to see the results of earlier drafts. That would be very insightful as well. If I have time, I will be very happy to do that. Better yet, I believe that it would be exceptionally revealing if you would do it. Show me what I am missing, man. Here's your great chance.

Feel free to track it if you want but you way overestimate my desire to “convince you.” You’re a lost cause. I shall not be wasting my time to do math just for you to ignore the obvious results and keep cr@pping all over the place like you always do anyway.

[a smell of green grass]

And the only loss was a 3x3 overtime loss.

And only lost that one when they put in an undrafted 18 yr old goalie to see what he could do against this level.

Guys, there’s no point. You’re arguing with a cr@pping pigeon. Of course he arbitrarily didn’t include the drafts that would include Neighbours, Bolduc/Mailloux and Snuggerud lol.

I focused on the re-whatever results.

However, I would love to see the results of earlier drafts. That would be very insightful as well. If I have time, I will be very happy to do that. Better yet, I believe that it would be exceptionally revealing if you would do it. Show me what I am missing, man. Here's your great chance.

Feel free to track it if you want but you way overestimate my desire to “convince you.” You’re a lost cause. I shall not be wasting my time to do math just for you to ignore the obvious results and keep cr@pping all over the place like you always do anyway.

You say that I don't listen to reason. I ask you to show me the facts about prospects, and you have no interest in doing that.

Fine. I'll round up the data and present here when I have a moment.

My strong suspicion is that a look farther back will be be just as negative for Army's results as 2023 and later. We shall see.

Sorry that my posts bother you. Blues Management bothers me, so I guess it's unavoidable.