Why Oli hasn't proven good at BP managing

[Lloyd Braun]

I am not saying he is bad either. I am just saying the last two years does not prove he is adapt at BP managing, and here's why:

The team the last two years has had rotten starting pitching and an offense that can't hit HR's or steal bases. Certainly not Oli's fault. And this next part isn't his fault either, but there's an inherent advantage in managing the BP on a mediocre-at-best to worse than average ballclub like these Cardinals.

The team is uncompetitive every few games. That allows the opportunity to get innings out of the Kings, Graceffos, Fernandezes, the Munozes - the 5.00+ ERA crew gets plenty of opportunities to waste non-important innings. That saves the the critical competitive innings to the better arms, who are naturally more rested.

Again, all of this isn't Oli's fault. Nothing he can do about that. And he isn't doing worse than expected, which is a positive sign. But all this talk from the media about the proof of his BP wizardry could very well be a mirage of the circumstances that benefit a BP, which is plenty of meaningless innings.

TLR, Torre, Matheny, Shildt all had competitive games night after night after night. With SPs going less innings in the sport every year. The pressure to use your best arms all the time was always there, night after night. And of course, that was obviously impossible to use them every night. Lots of critical innings on winning teams have to go to substandard BP arms, due the nature of being in so many competitive games.

Obviously, tonight is a perfect example. This was as easy a managing job as possible. Got our (bleep) beat to death again, out comes the gasoline gang to pour more gas on the fire during meaningless innings. Tomorrow and maybe Sunday, multiple critical guys are available in case of a competitive game or 2.

[Bob Kunush]

So, isn't what you posted a good example of managing a bullpen? Why waste your best relievers in a game that is likely out of reach with this current offense Thats exactly how it should be managed. I think a better example to look at is how does he manage the bullpen in tight games? I think he has done well in that area. The bullpen overall is one of the better performing units on the team. How they are deployed and against what part of the order are all parts of bullpen management. I have been pleasantly surprised by the bullpen this year just like I was last year.

[scoutyjones2]

I am not saying he is bad either. I am just saying the last two years does not prove he is adapt at BP managing, and here's why:

The team the last two years has had rotten starting pitching and an offense that can't hit HR's or steal bases. Certainly not Oli's fault. And this next part isn't his fault either, but there's an inherent advantage in managing the BP on a mediocre-at-best to worse than average ballclub like these Cardinals.

The team is uncompetitive every few games. That allows the opportunity to get innings out of the Kings, Graceffos, Fernandezes, the Munozes - the 5.00+ ERA crew gets plenty of opportunities to waste non-important innings. That saves the the critical competitive innings to the better arms, who are naturally more rested.

Again, all of this isn't Oli's fault. Nothing he can do about that. And he isn't doing worse than expected, which is a positive sign. But all this talk from the media about the proof of his BP wizardry could very well be a mirage of the circumstances that benefit a BP, which is plenty of meaningless innings.

TLR, Torre, Matheny, Shildt all had competitive games night after night after night. With SPs going less innings in the sport every year. The pressure to use your best arms all the time was always there, night after night. And of course, that was obviously impossible to use them every night. Lots of critical innings on winning teams have to go to substandard BP arms, due the nature of being in so many competitive games.

Obviously, tonight is a perfect example. This was as easy a managing job as possible. Got our (bleep) beat to death again, out comes the gasoline gang to pour more gas on the fire during meaningless innings. Tomorrow and maybe Sunday, multiple critical guys are available in case of a competitive game or 2.

LMAO. I think you just made a case that Oli is managing the bully well...

[dugoutrex]

many forget how many arms TLR chewed up and spit out

[11WSChamps]

This obsession with throwing relievers only one inning is the problem.

Overuse and burnout by August with your top relievers and having to give up on games before the middle innings even get here.

I know there are times you have to take one for the team in a blowout but this happens a lot with this ballclub.

Of course with the lack of offense it probably doesn't matter but the culture and message stinks.

[ilcubuffs]

Oct 7, 2022 Game 1 vs Phillies says it all.