HOF? .299 average for 20 years

[OldRed]

.299 Avg
.387 OBP

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https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... mi01.shtml

[BrummerStealsHome]

Hall of Noteriety? Yes. Fame? Not for me.

[3dender]

never higher than 4th in MVP (granted 4th four times)... only in top 10 five times... no

[45s]

Sure

What’s one more undeserving guy..?

[rockondlouie]

Not even close to being a HofFer

Hall of Fame Standards
Minnie Batting - 37 (209th), Average HOFer ≈ 50

JAWS
Left Field (18th):
Minnie 53.2 career WAR | 39.7 7yr-peak WAR | 46.5 JAWS | 4.4 WAR/162

Average HOF LF (out of 21):
65.3 career WAR | 41.7 7yr-peak WAR | 53.5 JAWS | 4.8 WAR/162

[CorneliusWolfe]

.299 Avg
.387 OBP

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https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... mi01.shtml

Might have a case. Wondering if he played more 3rd or LF. HR total low for LF but not too shabby for 3B.

11 straight years of 150+ hits with exception of 1 year w/149. OBP and career average pretty impressive. Would’ve been over .300 had he retired a little earlier.

[HorseTrader]

Different time, the home run wasn't as important back then. Still seems a little light on the stats. Did have some decent WAR years including 8.2 in 1954.

[butsir01]

I’d take 26 of him on my team any day.

[Imperial Capitalist]

He was voted into the Hall in 2022. Your post is as if he is/was being cheated in that regard. ???

He never exceeded 22% on the regular ballot, thus writers of the time didn't think much of his candidacy. However, thats not to say he wasn't a good/very good player who, ironically, traded in a career BA of .301 (rounded up) for .299 by coming back for those stunts in 76 & 80, going 1-10 both 'seasons'.

[ScotchMIrish]

He played his entire career vs pitchers throwing off the higher mound and throwing knockdown pitches with no umpire stopping the chin music.

To hit .299 for a career in that era is HOF.

[brock118]

.299 Avg
.387 OBP

Check these stats:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... mi01.shtml

Player A Minoso 1949-1964 (15 seasons): .299/.389/.460 .849 OPS 130 OPS+ 7 time All Star (I don't count double all star games as 2) 3 Gold Gloves (didn't start until 1957) 50.5 WAR

Player B: 17 seasons .296/.384/.436 .821 OPS 128 OPS+ 5 time all star 11 gold gloves 1 time MVP 60.4 WAR not in HOF

[ClassicO]

.299 Avg
.387 OBP

Check these stats:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... mi01.shtml

Player A Minoso 1949-1964 (15 seasons): .299/.389/.460 .849 OPS 130 OPS+ 7 time All Star (I don't count double all star games as 2) 3 Gold Gloves (didn't start until 1957) 50.5 WAR

Player B: 17 seasons .296/.384/.436 .821 OPS 128 OPS+ 5 time all star 11 gold gloves 1 time MVP 60.4 WAR not in HOF

Both of these players are equally deserving (not to be in the HOF). Keith Hernandez was a very good ballplayer. Same 60.4 WAR as Jimmy Edmonds - but Jimmy had far more HRs and 8 GGs (in a much harder position).
There are a lot of guys in the HOF who should not be. Here's a list of 25. https://stadiumtalk.com/s/worst-mlb-hal ... 10714841b8

This list left off Harold Baines, but included Brock (45.3 WAR is 266th - because he didn't have power, RBI, and was a pitiful defender).

[brock118]

.299 Avg
.387 OBP

Check these stats:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... mi01.shtml

Player A Minoso 1949-1964 (15 seasons): .299/.389/.460 .849 OPS 130 OPS+ 7 time All Star (I don't count double all star games as 2) 3 Gold Gloves (didn't start until 1957) 50.5 WAR

Player B: 17 seasons .296/.384/.436 .821 OPS 128 OPS+ 5 time all star 11 gold gloves 1 time MVP 60.4 WAR not in HOF

Both of these players are equally deserving (not to be in the HOF). Keith Hernandez was a very good ballplayer. Same 60.4 WAR as Jimmy Edmonds - but Jimmy had far more HRs and 8 GGs (in a much harder position).
There are a lot of guys in the HOF who should not be. Here's a list of 25. https://stadiumtalk.com/s/worst-mlb-hal ... 10714841b8

This list left off Harold Baines, but included Brock (45.3 WAR is 266th - because he didn't have power, RBI, and was a pitiful defender).

Yep I wasn't saying either deserve it, but they were similar if not Hernandez slightly better with WAR. I think Brock still deserves to be in the Hall of Fame he had 3000 hits and was the all time stolen base leader when he retired..that should get you in.

[ScotchMIrish]

.299 Avg
.387 OBP

Check these stats:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... mi01.shtml

Player A Minoso 1949-1964 (15 seasons): .299/.389/.460 .849 OPS 130 OPS+ 7 time All Star (I don't count double all star games as 2) 3 Gold Gloves (didn't start until 1957) 50.5 WAR

Player B: 17 seasons .296/.384/.436 .821 OPS 128 OPS+ 5 time all star 11 gold gloves 1 time MVP 60.4 WAR not in HOF

Both of these players are equally deserving (not to be in the HOF). Keith Hernandez was a very good ballplayer. Same 60.4 WAR as Jimmy Edmonds - but Jimmy had far more HRs and 8 GGs (in a much harder position).
There are a lot of guys in the HOF who should not be. Here's a list of 25. https://stadiumtalk.com/s/worst-mlb-hal ... 10714841b8

This list left off Harold Baines, but included Brock (45.3 WAR is 266th - because he didn't have power, RBI, and was a pitiful defender).

Yep I wasn't saying either deserve it, but they were similar if not Hernandez slightly better with WAR. I think Brock still deserves to be in the Hall of Fame he had 3000 hits and was the all time stolen base leader when he retired..that should get you in.

People who say Brock should be in are a perfect example of the sabermetrics crowd not understanding the game.

[12xu]

.299 Avg
.387 OBP

Check these stats:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... mi01.shtml

Player A Minoso 1949-1964 (15 seasons): .299/.389/.460 .849 OPS 130 OPS+ 7 time All Star (I don't count double all star games as 2) 3 Gold Gloves (didn't start until 1957) 50.5 WAR

Player B: 17 seasons .296/.384/.436 .821 OPS 128 OPS+ 5 time all star 11 gold gloves 1 time MVP 60.4 WAR not in HOF

Both of these players are equally deserving (not to be in the HOF). Keith Hernandez was a very good ballplayer. Same 60.4 WAR as Jimmy Edmonds - but Jimmy had far more HRs and 8 GGs (in a much harder position).
There are a lot of guys in the HOF who should not be. Here's a list of 25. https://stadiumtalk.com/s/worst-mlb-hal ... 10714841b8

This list left off Harold Baines, but included Brock (45.3 WAR is 266th - because he didn't have power, RBI, and was a pitiful defender).

Yep I wasn't saying either deserve it, but they were similar if not Hernandez slightly better with WAR. I think Brock still deserves to be in the Hall of Fame he had 3000 hits and was the all time stolen base leader when he retired..that should get you in.

People who say Brock should be in are a perfect example of the sabermetrics crowd not understanding the game.

People who say Brock should NOT be in the HOF are almost always folks who did not see him play and how he completely effected every single game he played in. He compiled stats in 21 games in the World Series which are some of the best ever: 4 HR/13 RBI/14 SB/.391/.424/.655/1.079.
People who say Brock did not have power are strangely blind to the stats that show he hit 149 HR in his career, 66 of those in his prime (64-67) during an extreme pitcher dominant era. Brock hit one of the longest HR ever hit at the Polo Grounds in NYC. I have read posts on this forum from people calling Brock a "punch and judy hitter" which he never was.

[ecleme22]

.299 Avg
.387 OBP

Check these stats:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... mi01.shtml

Player A Minoso 1949-1964 (15 seasons): .299/.389/.460 .849 OPS 130 OPS+ 7 time All Star (I don't count double all star games as 2) 3 Gold Gloves (didn't start until 1957) 50.5 WAR

Player B: 17 seasons .296/.384/.436 .821 OPS 128 OPS+ 5 time all star 11 gold gloves 1 time MVP 60.4 WAR not in HOF

Both of these players are equally deserving (not to be in the HOF). Keith Hernandez was a very good ballplayer. Same 60.4 WAR as Jimmy Edmonds - but Jimmy had far more HRs and 8 GGs (in a much harder position).
There are a lot of guys in the HOF who should not be. Here's a list of 25. https://stadiumtalk.com/s/worst-mlb-hal ... 10714841b8

This list left off Harold Baines, but included Brock (45.3 WAR is 266th - because he didn't have power, RBI, and was a pitiful defender).

Yep I wasn't saying either deserve it, but they were similar if not Hernandez slightly better with WAR. I think Brock still deserves to be in the Hall of Fame he had 3000 hits and was the all time stolen base leader when he retired..that should get you in.

People who say Brock should be in are a perfect example of the sabermetrics crowd not understanding the game.

People who say Brock should NOT be in the HOF are almost always folks who did not see him play and how he completely effected every single game he played in. He compiled stats in 21 games in the World Series which are some of the best ever: 4 HR/13 RBI/14 SB/.391/.424/.655/1.079.
People who say Brock did not have power are strangely blind to the stats that show he hit 149 HR in his career, 66 of those in his prime (64-67) during an extreme pitcher dominant era. Brock hit one of the longest HR ever hit at the Polo Grounds in NYC. I have read posts on this forum from people calling Brock a "punch and judy hitter" which he never was.

Almost always, you bring in the sabermetrics toolbox to evaluate a player.

When a player gets 3000 hits, you open up your window and throw the toolbox out. When a player has more than 900 SBs? Definitely throw the toolbox out.

Lou is a 1st ballot.