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Tickets sold. How low can they go?

a new stadium low. I've never seen anything like this. The next three weeks are going to test new lows.

I hope there's a plan somewhere.

Why is anybody surprised, bad team that has thrown in the towel.

Can they possibly drop below 15,000?

Punkk6 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 21:01 pm Why is anybody surprised, bad team that has thrown in the towel.

Don’t think anyone’s surprised, but if they are I hope it’s pleasantly so. Only way DeWitt will learn his lesson.

desertrat23 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 20:48 pm Tickets sold. How low can they go?

This is still tickets sold, correct? I didn't wtach tonight but I'm estimating turnstiles at around 10k or lower in the games I have seen.

This is going to take years to come out of. Look back. In 67 and 68 the birds drew over 2 mil fans and then the problems started. It wasn't until Whitey took over and put a team that won a world series that they went back over 2 mil fans again. Look at what went on after old gussie died. Look at the attendance for those years until DeWitt bought and brought in Walt and Tony and they got back to contending did the fans start to come back.

There is a big difference in a team that wins their division and one that hopes they can grab that last wild card spot. Also this team isn't very exciting. A few bobbleheads and Gorman hitting 30 homeruns isn't going to bring these fans back. It's going to take a team who wins 90 or more games. And brings winning and excitement back to the stadium. And even with that unless they win a world series it's going to take a long time before they ever see 3 mil fans again.

blackinkbiz wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 21:13 pm

desertrat23 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 20:48 pm Tickets sold. How low can they go?

This is still tickets sold, correct? I didn't wtach tonight but I'm estimating turnstiles at around 10k or lower in the games I have seen.

Yes, tickets sold. Looked like maybe 10,000 there.

desertrat23 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 21:11 pm

Punkk6 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 21:01 pm Why is anybody surprised, bad team that has thrown in the towel.

Don’t think anyone’s surprised, but if they are I hope it’s pleasantly so. Only way DeWitt will learn his lesson.

Unfortunately it isn’t always that easy in the minds of millionaires/billionaires, who often like to find payback for those that have wronged them. No matter how irrational and further damaging it may be.

It is very costly to ignore the importance of public relations and not controlling the narrative about your own organization.

cardstatman wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 21:27 pm It is very costly to ignore the importance of public relations and not controlling the narrative about your own organization.

+1

Controlling the narrative has backfired on organization and the fans don’t want [nonsense], they want transparency

It’s a partnership between team and fans.

It’s up to the team to make substantial changes to get fans back

Not sure they get it however.

Billionaires think you ought to kiss their behind

Lot of fans disguised as empty seats.

Banner29 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 21:23 pm

desertrat23 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 21:11 pm

Punkk6 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 21:01 pm Why is anybody surprised, bad team that has thrown in the towel.

Don’t think anyone’s surprised, but if they are I hope it’s pleasantly so. Only way DeWitt will learn his lesson.

Unfortunately it isn’t always that easy in the minds of millionaires/billionaires, who often like to find payback for those that have wronged them. No matter how irrational and further damaging it may be.

Very true.

...Tickets sold is only one part of the total income stream of the organization. The "break-even" point, where income equals expenses is probably a closely-guarded secret. And it varies somewhat from season to season because the income streams and expenses vary also.

The apparent number of empty seats probably does not affect profits as much as it might appear to do. Owning a MLB team is a lucrative business, and the Cardinal organization has been very good to the owners.

cbcloud wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 22:35 pm ...Tickets sold is only one part of the total income stream of the organization. The "break-even" point, where income equals expenses is probably a closely-guarded secret. And it varies somewhat from season to season because the income streams and expenses vary also.

The apparent number of empty seats probably does not affect profits as much as it might appear to do. Owning a MLB team is a lucrative business, and the Cardinal organization has been very good to the owners.

Not just empty seats. It's empty parking spaces and empty beer cups and empty hot dog trays, Etc. Ballpark Village is no doubt taking a hit as well.