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Lowest BA in MLB vs fastballs

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On the radio today they said the Cardinals are 3rd best in baseball vs off speed and last vs the fastball. Is there an explanation for this? Pujols used to say he set the pitching machine at 102 and always looked fastball. Maybe this explains the lack of power. Fastballs are what power hitters target. Is this a philosophy problem? Even in little leauge hitters target fastball and adjust to off speed.
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Youboughtit wrote: 01 Sep 2025 14:52 pm On the radio today they said the Cardinals are 3rd best in baseball vs off speed and last vs the fastball. Is there an explanation for this? Pujols used to say he set the pitching machine at 102 and always looked fastball. Maybe this explains the lack of power. Fastballs are what power hitters target. Is this a philosophy problem? Even in little leauge hitters target fastball and adjust to off speed.
It's to the point they're unwatchable. I've seen so many hitters swinging at junk and taking fastballs up and over that I literally can't take it anymore.

They can go F themselves for all I care. It's the worst strategy I've ever seen and never even heard of it until this season.

It's like a hockey team deciding, "Hey, let's try shooting the puck slower at the goalie since no one else is doing it!"

F them F them F them
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blackinkbiz wrote: 01 Sep 2025 15:15 pm
Youboughtit wrote: 01 Sep 2025 14:52 pm On the radio today they said the Cardinals are 3rd best in baseball vs off speed and last vs the fastball. Is there an explanation for this? Pujols used to say he set the pitching machine at 102 and always looked fastball. Maybe this explains the lack of power. Fastballs are what power hitters target. Is this a philosophy problem? Even in little leauge hitters target fastball and adjust to off speed.
It's to the point they're unwatchable. I've seen so many hitters swinging at junk and taking fastballs up and over that I literally can't take it anymore.

They can go F themselves for all I care. It's the worst strategy I've ever seen and never even heard of it until this season.

It's like a hockey team deciding, "Hey, let's try shooting the puck slower at the goalie since no one else is doing it!"

F them F them F them
They take a fastball down the middle fall behind then flail at off speed pitches. They are 3rd vs off speed because that is all they swing at. Average should be high when avoiding the fastball.
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27 K’s in the last two games, something is certainly wrong with their strategy!
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1 walk and 27 strikeouts last 2 games
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Get ready for the standard company line, "Sometimes you just have to tip your cap when the opposition pitcher hits his spots. We've faced some really great starting pitching these last couple of games.
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Youboughtit wrote: 01 Sep 2025 14:52 pm On the radio today they said the Cardinals are 3rd best in baseball vs off speed and last vs the fastball. Is there an explanation for this? Pujols used to say he set the pitching machine at 102 and always looked fastball. Maybe this explains the lack of power. Fastballs are what power hitters target. Is this a philosophy problem? Even in little leauge hitters target fastball and adjust to off speed.
It's a sign of lack of aggressiveness. Taking too many first pitch fastballs for strikes. Only occasionally does anyone on the team swing at them. Be ready to hit. Give the pitcher nothing. Keep pressure on every pitch. With two strikes shorten up and try to punch the ball the other way. This is little league stuff.
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blackinkbiz wrote: 01 Sep 2025 16:39 pm Get ready for the standard company line, "Sometimes you just have to tip your cap when the opposition pitcher hits his spots. We've faced some really great starting pitching these last couple of games.
Not about spots tho. They are choosing not to hit fastballs. Opposite of anything I’ve ever heard. Most all of the great hitters attacked the fastball
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Been a fan for 44 years. Watched a lot of Cardinals baseball through great, good, and bad seasons. But the last three seasons have been hard to watch. Its not fun or exciting. "Oli Ball" is just pathetic and nowhere near the Cardinal Way. This team cant pitch, hit, or run the bases worth a [shirt].

Some on here claim Marmol is a good instructor for the young players. Who has he improved? All I see is him staring blankly at the field or into the crowd.

Its obvious Mozeliak hired this pud. Johnny boy wouldn't know a good manager if one one kicked him in his Brooks Brother's britches. What a squirrel.
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JuanAgosto wrote: 01 Sep 2025 23:52 pm Been a fan for 44 years. Watched a lot of Cardinals baseball through great, good, and bad seasons. But the last three seasons have been hard to watch. Its not fun or exciting. "Oli Ball" is just pathetic and nowhere near the Cardinal Way. This team cant pitch, hit, or run the bases worth a [shirt].

Some on here claim Marmol is a good instructor for the young players. Who has he improved? All I see is him staring blankly at the field or into the crowd.

Its obvious Mozeliak hired this pud. Johnny boy wouldn't know a good manager if one one kicked him in his Brooks Brother's britches. What a squirrel.
Think about how we're about to watch a 3rd consecutive season with no playoffs. We saw a similar thing happen from 2016-18. But those teams won 86, 83, 88 games. That was bad enough to get Matheny fired. This time, it'll likely be under 0.500 for two of the 3 seasons.
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Hoosier59 wrote: 01 Sep 2025 15:56 pm 27 K’s in the last two games, something is certainly wrong with their strategy!
Brant Brown has never been successful as the hitting coach. Don't know why people thought that could or would change when he put on the birds on the bat.

We are less than 30 days until the end of the Mo era. Hopefully, we will get a real front office and a real set of baseball men in the dugout. This JV version hasn't done anything with the talent it has been handed for years.
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imadangman wrote: 02 Sep 2025 00:11 am
JuanAgosto wrote: 01 Sep 2025 23:52 pm Been a fan for 44 years. Watched a lot of Cardinals baseball through great, good, and bad seasons. But the last three seasons have been hard to watch. Its not fun or exciting. "Oli Ball" is just pathetic and nowhere near the Cardinal Way. This team cant pitch, hit, or run the bases worth a [shirt].

Some on here claim Marmol is a good instructor for the young players. Who has he improved? All I see is him staring blankly at the field or into the crowd.

Its obvious Mozeliak hired this pud. Johnny boy wouldn't know a good manager if one one kicked him in his Brooks Brother's britches. What a squirrel.
Think about how we're about to watch a 3rd consecutive season with no playoffs. We saw a similar thing happen from 2016-18. But those teams won 86, 83, 88 games. That was bad enough to get Matheny fired. This time, it'll likely be under 0.500 for two of the 3 seasons.
Exactly. With one being 91 losses. This one may be very close to 90.
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JuanAgosto wrote: 02 Sep 2025 06:48 am
imadangman wrote: 02 Sep 2025 00:11 am
JuanAgosto wrote: 01 Sep 2025 23:52 pm Been a fan for 44 years. Watched a lot of Cardinals baseball through great, good, and bad seasons. But the last three seasons have been hard to watch. Its not fun or exciting. "Oli Ball" is just pathetic and nowhere near the Cardinal Way. This team cant pitch, hit, or run the bases worth a [shirt].

Some on here claim Marmol is a good instructor for the young players. Who has he improved? All I see is him staring blankly at the field or into the crowd.

Its obvious Mozeliak hired this pud. Johnny boy wouldn't know a good manager if one one kicked him in his Brooks Brother's britches. What a squirrel.
Think about how we're about to watch a 3rd consecutive season with no playoffs. We saw a similar thing happen from 2016-18. But those teams won 86, 83, 88 games. That was bad enough to get Matheny fired. This time, it'll likely be under 0.500 for two of the 3 seasons.
Exactly. With one being 91 losses. This one may be very close to 90.
The difference evidently this time is winning isn't important anymore. Whether we know that to be the case or not or if it's been explicitly stated that way in the clubhouse, it's hard to argue.
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