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Off season overhaul prediction
Posted: 30 Aug 2025 21:19 pm
by Youboughtit
What I expect
Arenado traded. Cards eat half or more of contract
Gray is traded for a SP or RH OF bat
Contreras is traded for a SP or RH OF bat
Donovan extended 4/60
Nootbar trade for RP
Roster
1B Burleson
2B Wetherholt
SS Winn
3B Gorman
LF Donovan
CF Scott
RF Walker
C Pages
DH Hererra
Bench
Church, Crooks, Segesse, RH bat from above
SP
Pitcher from above
Libertore
McGreevy
Matthews
Pallante
Payroll approx 80m depending on contracts acquired.
Attendance 1.2-1.5m
Re: Off season overhaul prediction
Posted: 30 Aug 2025 21:46 pm
by Rosie's Rule
That roster looks like a 100 loss season
Re: Off season overhaul prediction
Posted: 30 Aug 2025 21:48 pm
by Basil Shabazz
Depending on the right handed bat, that looks like another 78 to 80 win team
Re: Off season overhaul prediction
Posted: 30 Aug 2025 21:52 pm
by Youboughtit
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025 21:48 pm
Depending on the right handed bat, that looks like another 78 to 80 win team
.500 team for $60-$80m awaiting Doyle and farm to advance. That’s what a rebuild year 2 is about. Add another top 10 pick next draft then start spending to add. However My point is it’s still going down. Upward movement maybe by 2028
Re: Off season overhaul prediction
Posted: 30 Aug 2025 21:56 pm
by 45s
No on Donovan
Re: Off season overhaul prediction
Posted: 30 Aug 2025 22:00 pm
by Youboughtit
45s wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025 21:56 pmNo on Donovan
He’s a fan favorite. That’s a moveable contract and keeps from having no veteran depth. They need a leader somewhere and will not pay for a star.
Re: Off season overhaul prediction
Posted: 30 Aug 2025 22:03 pm
by 45s
Youboughtit wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025 22:00 pm
45s wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025 21:56 pmNo on Donovan
He’s a fan favorite. That’s a moveable contract and keeps from having no veteran depth. They need a leader somewhere and will not pay for a star.
You lost me at “fan favorite “
This fan favorite business is one of the reasons they are in this mess..
Re: Off season overhaul prediction
Posted: 30 Aug 2025 22:15 pm
by Youboughtit
45s wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025 22:03 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025 22:00 pm
45s wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025 21:56 pmNo on Donovan
He’s a fan favorite. That’s a moveable contract and keeps from having no veteran depth. They need a leader somewhere and will not pay for a star.
You lost me at “fan favorite “
This fan favorite business is one of the reasons they are in this mess..
He was an all star this season. Has carried the team statistically all season and would have tenure once Arenado is gone. So you want the most seasons player to be WInn at 3 years? A veteran has to be on the roster. The other option is keep Contreras
Re: Off season overhaul prediction
Posted: 30 Aug 2025 22:30 pm
by JohnnyMO
Youboughtit wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025 22:15 pm
45s wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025 22:03 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025 22:00 pm
45s wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025 21:56 pmNo on Donovan
He’s a fan favorite. That’s a moveable contract and keeps from having no veteran depth. They need a leader somewhere and will not pay for a star.
You lost me at “fan favorite “
This fan favorite business is one of the reasons they are in this mess..
He was an all star this season. Has carried the team statistically all season and would have tenure once Arenado is gone. So you want the most seasons player to be WInn at 3 years? A veteran has to be on the roster. The other option is keep Contreras
I don’t think Contreras is traded. Probably not Gray either. Other than that I think you’re pretty spot on.
Re: Off season overhaul prediction
Posted: 30 Aug 2025 22:43 pm
by Youboughtit
JohnnyMO wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025 22:30 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025 22:15 pm
45s wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025 22:03 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025 22:00 pm
45s wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025 21:56 pmNo on Donovan
He’s a fan favorite. That’s a moveable contract and keeps from having no veteran depth. They need a leader somewhere and will not pay for a star.
You lost me at “fan favorite “
This fan favorite business is one of the reasons they are in this mess..
He was an all star this season. Has carried the team statistically all season and would have tenure once Arenado is gone. So you want the most seasons player to be WInn at 3 years? A veteran has to be on the roster. The other option is keep Contreras
I don’t think Contreras is traded. Probably not Gray either. Other than that I think you’re pretty spot on.
Well then Burleson or Hererra need to go because of DH issue. That spot needs to be flexible. Not to mention the 40 man. I was clearing 4 40 man spots because they need to clear 6 players minimum to avoid loosing them in the rule 5 draft. Buster Olney recently reported he feels trading those 3 is top priority for Bloom
Re: Off season overhaul prediction
Posted: 30 Aug 2025 22:46 pm
by Red Bird Classic
Youboughtit wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025 21:19 pm
What I expect
Arenado traded. Cards eat half or more of contract
Gray is traded for a SP or RH OF bat
Contreras is traded for a SP or RH OF bat
Donovan extended 4/60
Nootbar trade for RP
Roster
1B Burleson
2B Wetherholt
SS Winn
3B Gorman
LF Donovan
CF Scott
RF Walker
C Pages
DH Hererra
Bench
Church, Crooks, Segesse, RH bat from above
SP
Pitcher from above
Libertore
McGreevy
Matthews
Pallante
Payroll approx 80m depending on contracts acquired.
Attendance 1.2-1.5m
All the players you want to trade, except Nootbar, have no trade clauses. Since Nado, Gray and Cotrares refused trades last winter, don't see why they would change now, unless money is in the package.
Nootbar is a possibility though.
I agree that the rebuild is in it's early stages and the team won't be competitive in 26 and possibly 27.
Re: Off season overhaul prediction
Posted: 30 Aug 2025 22:52 pm
by JohnnyMO
Youboughtit wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025 22:43 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025 22:30 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025 22:15 pm
45s wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025 22:03 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025 22:00 pm
45s wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025 21:56 pmNo on Donovan
He’s a fan favorite. That’s a moveable contract and keeps from having no veteran depth. They need a leader somewhere and will not pay for a star.
You lost me at “fan favorite “
This fan favorite business is one of the reasons they are in this mess..
He was an all star this season. Has carried the team statistically all season and would have tenure once Arenado is gone. So you want the most seasons player to be WInn at 3 years? A veteran has to be on the roster. The other option is keep Contreras
I don’t think Contreras is traded. Probably not Gray either. Other than that I think you’re pretty spot on.
Well then Burleson or Hererra need to go because of DH issue. That spot needs to be flexible. Not to mention the 40 man. I was clearing 4 40 man spots because they need to clear 6 players minimum to avoid loosing them in the rule 5 draft. Buster Olney recently reported he feels trading those 3 is top priority for Bloom
I’d be for it if he could, I just don’t see it. I do think more than one left handed bat is moved.
Re: Off season overhaul prediction
Posted: 30 Aug 2025 22:57 pm
by Youboughtit
Red Bird Classic wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025 22:46 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025 21:19 pm
What I expect
Arenado traded. Cards eat half or more of contract
Gray is traded for a SP or RH OF bat
Contreras is traded for a SP or RH OF bat
Donovan extended 4/60
Nootbar trade for RP
Roster
1B Burleson
2B Wetherholt
SS Winn
3B Gorman
LF Donovan
CF Scott
RF Walker
C Pages
DH Hererra
Bench
Church, Crooks, Segesse, RH bat from above
SP
Pitcher from above
Libertore
McGreevy
Matthews
Pallante
Payroll approx 80m depending on contracts acquired.
Attendance 1.2-1.5m
All the players you want to trade, except Nootbar, have no trade clauses. Since Nado, Gray and Cotrares refused trades last winter, don't see why they would change now, unless money is in the package.
Nootbar is a possibility though.
I agree that the rebuild is in it's early stages and the team won't be competitive in 26 and possibly 27.
Buster Olney recently reported the Cardinals timeline is likely 3-5 years and those players will be told that and given the option this off season. He expects them all tho be gone to contenders.
Re: Off season overhaul prediction
Posted: 30 Aug 2025 22:59 pm
by Youboughtit
JohnnyMO wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025 22:52 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025 22:43 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025 22:30 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025 22:15 pm
45s wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025 22:03 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025 22:00 pm
45s wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025 21:56 pmNo on Donovan
He’s a fan favorite. That’s a moveable contract and keeps from having no veteran depth. They need a leader somewhere and will not pay for a star.
You lost me at “fan favorite “
This fan favorite business is one of the reasons they are in this mess..
He was an all star this season. Has carried the team statistically all season and would have tenure once Arenado is gone. So you want the most seasons player to be WInn at 3 years? A veteran has to be on the roster. The other option is keep Contreras
I don’t think Contreras is traded. Probably not Gray either. Other than that I think you’re pretty spot on.
Well then Burleson or Hererra need to go because of DH issue. That spot needs to be flexible. Not to mention the 40 man. I was clearing 4 40 man spots because they need to clear 6 players minimum to avoid loosing them in the rule 5 draft. Buster Olney recently reported he feels trading those 3 is top priority for Bloom
I’d be for it if he could, I just don’t see it. I do think more than one left handed bat is moved.
Ok what other 5? They need to add both catchers Matthews Hence Hjeepe and several others to the 40 man or loose them. 6 players need gone from 40 man minimum.
Re: Off season overhaul prediction
Posted: 30 Aug 2025 23:07 pm
by JuanAgosto
Im not sure any of the 3 NTC's are moved. Gray the most likely. Arenado will have few if any teams interested. Contreras doesn't seem to want out of StL at all.
I think Donovan and Nootbaar are the most likely to be dealt.
Re: Off season overhaul prediction
Posted: 30 Aug 2025 23:12 pm
by Charles King
Youboughtit wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025 22:59 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025 22:52 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025 22:43 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025 22:30 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025 22:15 pm
45s wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025 22:03 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025 22:00 pm
45s wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025 21:56 pmNo on Donovan
He’s a fan favorite. That’s a moveable contract and keeps from having no veteran depth. They need a leader somewhere and will not pay for a star.
You lost me at “fan favorite “
This fan favorite business is one of the reasons they are in this mess..
He was an all star this season. Has carried the team statistically all season and would have tenure once Arenado is gone. So you want the most seasons player to be WInn at 3 years? A veteran has to be on the roster. The other option is keep Contreras
I don’t think Contreras is traded. Probably not Gray either. Other than that I think you’re pretty spot on.
Well then Burleson or Hererra need to go because of DH issue. That spot needs to be flexible. Not to mention the 40 man. I was clearing 4 40 man spots because they need to clear 6 players minimum to avoid loosing them in the rule 5 draft. Buster Olney recently reported he feels trading those 3 is top priority for Bloom
I’d be for it if he could, I just don’t see it. I do think more than one left handed bat is moved.
Ok what other 5? They need to add both catchers Matthews Hence Hjeepe and several others to the 40 man or loose them. 6 players need gone from 40 man minimum.
Hence is already on 40 man. So is on of the catchers
I have 5 guys here that can be dropped
Mikolas is a free agent
Munoz, Roycroft, Hampson,
Siani is not needed because of Church and Scott