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TheSolution wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 23:42 pm Inputs:
>cubs didn’t want him
>cubs manager was an mlb catcher and didn’t see WC as a catcher moving forward
>cubs insider reports of breaking iPads and damaging clubhouse regularly
>little to no interest on the free agent market
>never hit 25 HR’s
>likely was not going to stick at the position signed to play, catcher
>doesn’t have the power/bat to justify as free agent signing for DH
>division rival got the younger, better, far cheaper brother who can actually play the position of catcher while providing a better bat.
>he’s been a .240s-.250s hitter through his prime

There’s a universal code, when one division rival wants nothing to do with a player and the other division rival got the younger, better, cheaper version of what you got, it’s a set up for sure failure.

To say WC is the least of the problems because you’ll take his numbers and he’s not the reason this is bad. It’s the pitching. It’s Walker not developing. It’s Noot. It’s whatever else. Yeah, that’s all true and this isn’t about singling out a single reason this has all gone so bad. It’s a very thin level of critical analysis to ignore how devastatingly dumb it was to sign this guy.

I hope for the strong majority of people in Cardinal Nation who applauded this signing and even stuck by it through the transition from catcher to first, stating he would improve his bat without catching duties (didn’t happen), can now be honest about what a mess this is.

A very similar mess to Dexter Fowler, who also wasn’t wanted by the cubs or really anyone else in mlb, much like WC, with a very similar support structure.

OldRed wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 07:24 am

TheSolution wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 23:42 pm Inputs:
>cubs didn’t want him
>cubs manager was an mlb catcher and didn’t see WC as a catcher moving forward
>cubs insider reports of breaking iPads and damaging clubhouse regularly
>little to no interest on the free agent market
>never hit 25 HR’s
>likely was not going to stick at the position signed to play, catcher
>doesn’t have the power/bat to justify as free agent signing for DH
>division rival got the younger, better, far cheaper brother who can actually play the position of catcher while providing a better bat.
>he’s been a .240s-.250s hitter through his prime

There’s a universal code, when one division rival wants nothing to do with a player and the other division rival got the younger, better, cheaper version of what you got, it’s a set up for sure failure.

To say WC is the least of the problems because you’ll take his numbers and he’s not the reason this is bad. It’s the pitching. It’s Walker not developing. It’s Noot. It’s whatever else. Yeah, that’s all true and this isn’t about singling out a single reason this has all gone so bad. It’s a very thin level of critical analysis to ignore how devastatingly dumb it was to sign this guy.

I hope for the strong majority of people in Cardinal Nation who applauded this signing and even stuck by it through the transition from catcher to first, stating he would improve his bat without catching duties (didn’t happen), can now be honest about what a mess this is.

A very similar mess to Dexter Fowler, who also wasn’t wanted by the cubs or really anyone else in mlb, much like WC, with a very similar support structure.

If you are going to criticize a player, at least spell his name correctly.

TheSolution wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 23:42 pm Inputs:
>cubs didn’t want him
>cubs manager was an mlb catcher and didn’t see WC as a catcher moving forward
>cubs insider reports of breaking iPads and damaging clubhouse regularly
>little to no interest on the free agent market
>never hit 25 HR’s
>likely was not going to stick at the position signed to play, catcher
>doesn’t have the power/bat to justify as free agent signing for DH
>division rival got the younger, better, far cheaper brother who can actually play the position of catcher while providing a better bat.
>he’s been a .240s-.250s hitter through his prime

There’s a universal code, when one division rival wants nothing to do with a player and the other division rival got the younger, better, cheaper version of what you got, it’s a set up for sure failure.

To say WC is the least of the problems because you’ll take his numbers and he’s not the reason this is bad. It’s the pitching. It’s Walker not developing. It’s Noot. It’s whatever else. Yeah, that’s all true and this isn’t about singling out a single reason this has all gone so bad. It’s a very thin level of critical analysis to ignore how devastatingly dumb it was to sign this guy.

I hope for the strong majority of people in Cardinal Nation who applauded this signing and even stuck by it through the transition from catcher to first, stating he would improve his bat without catching duties (didn’t happen), can now be honest about what a mess this is.

A very similar mess to Dexter Fowler, who also wasn’t wanted by the cubs or really anyone else in mlb, much like WC, with a very similar support structure.

TheSolution wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 23:42 pm Inputs:
>cubs didn’t want him
>cubs manager was an mlb catcher and didn’t see WC as a catcher moving forward
>cubs insider reports of breaking iPads and damaging clubhouse regularly
>little to no interest on the free agent market
>never hit 25 HR’s
>likely was not going to stick at the position signed to play, catcher
>doesn’t have the power/bat to justify as free agent signing for DH
>division rival got the younger, better, far cheaper brother who can actually play the position of catcher while providing a better bat.
>he’s been a .240s-.250s hitter through his prime

There’s a universal code, when one division rival wants nothing to do with a player and the other division rival got the younger, better, cheaper version of what you got, it’s a set up for sure failure.

To say WC is the least of the problems because you’ll take his numbers and he’s not the reason this is bad. It’s the pitching. It’s Walker not developing. It’s Noot. It’s whatever else. Yeah, that’s all true and this isn’t about singling out a single reason this has all gone so bad. It’s a very thin level of critical analysis to ignore how devastatingly dumb it was to sign this guy.

I hope for the strong majority of people in Cardinal Nation who applauded this signing and even stuck by it through the transition from catcher to first, stating he would improve his bat without catching duties (didn’t happen), can now be honest about what a mess this is.

A very similar mess to Dexter Fowler, who also wasn’t wanted by the cubs or really anyone else in mlb, much like WC, with a very similar support structure.

HorseTrader wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 07:37 am

TheSolution wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 23:42 pm Inputs:
>cubs didn’t want him
>cubs manager was an mlb catcher and didn’t see WC as a catcher moving forward
>cubs insider reports of breaking iPads and damaging clubhouse regularly
>little to no interest on the free agent market
>never hit 25 HR’s
>likely was not going to stick at the position signed to play, catcher
>doesn’t have the power/bat to justify as free agent signing for DH
>division rival got the younger, better, far cheaper brother who can actually play the position of catcher while providing a better bat.
>he’s been a .240s-.250s hitter through his prime

There’s a universal code, when one division rival wants nothing to do with a player and the other division rival got the younger, better, cheaper version of what you got, it’s a set up for sure failure.

To say WC is the least of the problems because you’ll take his numbers and he’s not the reason this is bad. It’s the pitching. It’s Walker not developing. It’s Noot. It’s whatever else. Yeah, that’s all true and this isn’t about singling out a single reason this has all gone so bad. It’s a very thin level of critical analysis to ignore how devastatingly dumb it was to sign this guy.

I hope for the strong majority of people in Cardinal Nation who applauded this signing and even stuck by it through the transition from catcher to first, stating he would improve his bat without catching duties (didn’t happen), can now be honest about what a mess this is.

A very similar mess to Dexter Fowler, who also wasn’t wanted by the cubs or really anyone else in mlb, much like WC, with a very similar support structure.

Seems to fall under the hindsight is 20-20

imadangman wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 07:57 am Well, you can't argue with the production. He's been as productive as any player (worth the money) we have, and while his attitude gets in his own way at times there's a lot of other things you can circle as far as what's wrong with this team.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 08:00 am WC has been an asset in all three years as a Cardinal.

And his move to 1B has been very successful. Plus, he has avoided injury.


Anyone who is comparing WC with Fowler contract or implying that WC is a cancer because the Cubs weren't in a place to give him 80mil, obviously has issues with WC in 'different' ways.

OldRed wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 08:15 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 08:00 am WC has been an asset in all three years as a Cardinal.

And his move to 1B has been very successful. Plus, he has avoided injury.


Anyone who is comparing WC with Fowler contract or implying that WC is a cancer because the Cubs weren't in a place to give him 80mil, obviously has issues with WC in 'different' ways.

He has been a bigger asset this year. But he not the big bat a good team needs. He would be an excellent #6 hitter with a good team around him.

AnExParrot wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 07:41 am A regular poster so afraid of losing credibility they create a fresh account to present this steaming hot take.

TheSolution wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 23:42 pm Inputs:
>cubs didn’t want him
>cubs manager was an mlb catcher and didn’t see WC as a catcher moving forward
>cubs insider reports of breaking iPads and damaging clubhouse regularly
>little to no interest on the free agent market
>never hit 25 HR’s
>likely was not going to stick at the position signed to play, catcher
>doesn’t have the power/bat to justify as free agent signing for DH
>division rival got the younger, better, far cheaper brother who can actually play the position of catcher while providing a better bat.
>he’s been a .240s-.250s hitter through his prime

There’s a universal code, when one division rival wants nothing to do with a player and the other division rival got the younger, better, cheaper version of what you got, it’s a set up for sure failure.

To say WC is the least of the problems because you’ll take his numbers and he’s not the reason this is bad. It’s the pitching. It’s Walker not developing. It’s Noot. It’s whatever else. Yeah, that’s all true and this isn’t about singling out a single reason this has all gone so bad. It’s a very thin level of critical analysis to ignore how devastatingly dumb it was to sign this guy.

I hope for the strong majority of people in Cardinal Nation who applauded this signing and even stuck by it through the transition from catcher to first, stating he would improve his bat without catching duties (didn’t happen), can now be honest about what a mess this is.

A very similar mess to Dexter Fowler, who also wasn’t wanted by the cubs or really anyone else in mlb, much like WC, with a very similar support structure.