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What has been learned in 2025 by this group of players
Posted: 27 Aug 2025 08:48 am
by Bully4you
1. Pitching is horrific.
From the top of the rotation down and including the bullpen.
A lot of work needs to be done.
2. No disciple at the plate
OBP is mediocre and players often take lousy AB's
3. No team speed
We have some that are fast, but overall, this is a slow team.
Milwaukee doubles us in SB's.
4. No power
OPS, HR's all pathetic.
I don't see one guy that is a plus OPS guy going forward.
Going to take a miracle to find that skill set.
5. Lousy defense
They played excellent D for the first half of the year.
Then what happened?
I haven't checked stats, but the D from certain guys is abysmal.
A lot of work to be done.
Pitching is vital and we don't have it.
You don't stand a chance without pitching.
So, that needs to be the number one emphasis this offseason.
Christ, what a year.
Re: What has been learned in 2025 by this group of players
Posted: 27 Aug 2025 08:50 am
by sikeston bulldog2
Bully4you wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 08:48 am
1. Pitching is horrific.
From the top of the rotation down and including the bullpen.
A lot of work needs to be done.
2. No disciple at the plate
OBP is mediocre and players often take lousy AB's
3. No team speed
We have some that are fast, but overall, this is a slow team.
Milwaukee doubles us in SB's.
4. No power
OPS, HR's all pathetic.
I don't see one guy that is a plus OPS guy going forward.
Going to take a miracle to find that skill set.
5. Lousy defense
They played excellent D for the first half of the year.
Then what happened?
I haven't checked stats, but the D from certain guys is abysmal.
A lot of work to be done.
Pitching is vital and we don't have it.
You don't stand a chance without pitching.
So, that needs to be the number one emphasis this offseason.
Christ, what a year.
This is a reset. Time to find what works and what don’t. You made a fine list of bads, all true. Now do the goods.
Your list is exactly what the season was designed for.
Good work.
Re: What has been learned in 2025 by this group of players
Posted: 27 Aug 2025 08:50 am
by 11WSChamps
We are years away from being relevant.
Welcome to baseballs skid row.
Re: What has been learned in 2025 by this group of players
Posted: 27 Aug 2025 08:55 am
by Bully4you
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 08:50 am
Bully4you wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 08:48 am
1. Pitching is horrific.
From the top of the rotation down and including the bullpen.
A lot of work needs to be done.
2. No disciple at the plate
OBP is mediocre and players often take lousy AB's
3. No team speed
We have some that are fast, but overall, this is a slow team.
Milwaukee doubles us in SB's.
4. No power
OPS, HR's all pathetic.
I don't see one guy that is a plus OPS guy going forward.
Going to take a miracle to find that skill set.
5. Lousy defense
They played excellent D for the first half of the year.
Then what happened?
I haven't checked stats, but the D from certain guys is abysmal.
A lot of work to be done.
Pitching is vital and we don't have it.
You don't stand a chance without pitching.
So, that needs to be the number one emphasis this offseason.
Christ, what a year.
This is a reset. Time to find what works and what don’t. You made a fine list of bads, all true. Now do the goods.
Your list is exactly what the season was designed for.
Good work.
It's almost overwhelming noting what needs to be fixed on this club.
Deficient in pretty much every area of the game.
If Marmol isn't canned, then at a minimum Dusty Blake should be gone.
Pitching is horrendous.
Re: What has been learned in 2025 by this group of players
Posted: 27 Aug 2025 08:57 am
by Bully4you
11WSChamps wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 08:50 am
We are years away from being relevant.
Welcome to baseballs skid row.
It's shocking how far they've fallen.
Heads should roll.
The people know, because they don't show up anymore.
Gonna be a long haul to fix this thing.
Re: What has been learned in 2025 by this group of players
Posted: 27 Aug 2025 08:58 am
by Melville
Bully4you wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 08:57 am
11WSChamps wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 08:50 am
We are years away from being relevant.
Welcome to baseballs skid row.
It's shocking how far they've fallen.
Heads should roll.
The people know, because they don't show up anymore.
Gonna be a long haul to fix this thing.
Any competent person could fix the team in under 30 days.
I could - quite easily.
Re: What has been learned in 2025 by this group of players
Posted: 27 Aug 2025 08:58 am
by sikeston bulldog2
Bully4you wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 08:55 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 08:50 am
Bully4you wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 08:48 am
1. Pitching is horrific.
From the top of the rotation down and including the bullpen.
A lot of work needs to be done.
2. No disciple at the plate
OBP is mediocre and players often take lousy AB's
3. No team speed
We have some that are fast, but overall, this is a slow team.
Milwaukee doubles us in SB's.
4. No power
OPS, HR's all pathetic.
I don't see one guy that is a plus OPS guy going forward.
Going to take a miracle to find that skill set.
5. Lousy defense
They played excellent D for the first half of the year.
Then what happened?
I haven't checked stats, but the D from certain guys is abysmal.
A lot of work to be done.
Pitching is vital and we don't have it.
You don't stand a chance without pitching.
So, that needs to be the number one emphasis this offseason.
Christ, what a year.
This is a reset. Time to find what works and what don’t. You made a fine list of bads, all true. Now do the goods.
Your list is exactly what the season was designed for.
Good work.
It's almost overwhelming noting what needs to be fixed on this club.
Deficient in pretty much every area of the game.
If Marmol isn't canned, then at a minimum Dusty Blake should be gone.
Pitching is horrendous.
Yes your list is exhausting by quantity, and exhausting by individual needs.
Re: What has been learned in 2025 by this group of players
Posted: 27 Aug 2025 09:02 am
by Bully4you
Melville wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 08:58 am
Bully4you wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 08:57 am
11WSChamps wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 08:50 am
We are years away from being relevant.
Welcome to baseballs skid row.
It's shocking how far they've fallen.
Heads should roll.
The people know, because they don't show up anymore.
Gonna be a long haul to fix this thing.
Any competent person could fix the team in under 30 days.
I could - quite easily.
Come on.
That's disingenuous.
God himself couldn't fix this disaster in a year, let alone 30 days.
Re: What has been learned in 2025 by this group of players
Posted: 27 Aug 2025 09:03 am
by sikeston bulldog2
Melville wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 08:58 am
Bully4you wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 08:57 am
11WSChamps wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 08:50 am
We are years away from being relevant.
Welcome to baseballs skid row.
It's shocking how far they've fallen.
Heads should roll.
The people know, because they don't show up anymore.
Gonna be a long haul to fix this thing.
Any competent person could fix the team in under 30 days.
I could - quite easily.
Ok. Where are you gonna get these redemption players. They dont exist.
It takes two to Tango. Who is gonna take our junk; who would give you a return.
Ok let’s look at trade options. Only 3-4 players on the market that are at the level we need to sort this ness out.
Free agency. Tucker.
I DON’T see the fix in 300 days much less 30.
Thoughts.
Re: What has been learned in 2025 by this group of players
Posted: 27 Aug 2025 09:05 am
by Bully4you
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 09:03 am
Melville wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 08:58 am
Bully4you wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 08:57 am
11WSChamps wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 08:50 am
We are years away from being relevant.
Welcome to baseballs skid row.
It's shocking how far they've fallen.
Heads should roll.
The people know, because they don't show up anymore.
Gonna be a long haul to fix this thing.
Any competent person could fix the team in under 30 days.
I could - quite easily.
Ok. Where are you gonna get these redemption players. They dont exist.
It takes two to Tango. Who is gonna take our junk; who would give you a return.
Ok let’s look at trade options. Only 3-4 players on the market that are at the level we need to sort this ness out.
Free agency. Tucker.
I DON’T see the fix in 300 days much less 30.
Thoughts.
Unfortunately, this will be a multiyear project.
No one could do this in a year.
I think maybe 3-4 and they'll need some luck along the way.
Re: What has been learned in 2025 by this group of players
Posted: 27 Aug 2025 09:07 am
by rockondlouie
Positives:
-Winn has become an elite defensive SS but lacks the offensive skills that could make him an all-star
-Hererra & Burleson can hit but neither has a field position
-Gorman (last 200 PA's: 12 HR/.353 OB%/.491Slg%/.845/OPS) is coming around, he's a keeper and the only true power bat in the organization but like Hererra & Burly he has no real field position (he's been awful at 3rd base, okay at 2B)
-WillyC has played well at 1st base and continues to be a solid hitter
-Libby & McG gives the rotation two young #3/4 starters to build around
-The bullpen
Negatives:
-No star players
-Starting pitching reeks............ as Gray ages leaving the team w/NO FOTR starter
-The OF has been Mo's biggest failure now for too many seasons, WEAK
-Walker is a BUST
-Pallante needs to be DFA'd
-Oli must go
Re: What has been learned in 2025 by this group of players
Posted: 27 Aug 2025 09:09 am
by Melville
What has been learned?
1. TOXIC CULTURE
2. The Marmot and his staff must be fired.
3. Winn, Gorman, Burleson, and McGreevy are the keepers from the young crop.
4. Donovan and Contreras are the only dependable veteran position players.
5. Mootbaar, Herrera, and Pallante are just warm bodies and will never be key pieces.
6. Playing N/A was a disaster.
7. Mikolas would be awful but play because of his contract - as was made clear in spring training.
8. Scott and Walker are still question marks.
9. The team is short one RH hitting corner middle order outfield bat and 2 starting pitchers.
Of course, none of that was truly "learned" over the past 130 games.
It was simply revealed.
I said every bit of it repeatedly and it all proved to be correct.
Re: What has been learned in 2025 by this group of players
Posted: 27 Aug 2025 09:11 am
by Melville
Bully4you wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 09:02 am
Melville wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 08:58 am
Bully4you wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 08:57 am
11WSChamps wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 08:50 am
We are years away from being relevant.
Welcome to baseballs skid row.
It's shocking how far they've fallen.
Heads should roll.
The people know, because they don't show up anymore.
Gonna be a long haul to fix this thing.
Any competent person could fix the team in under 30 days.
I could - quite easily.
Come on.
That's disingenuous.
God himself couldn't fix this disaster in a year, let alone 30 days.
Yes, I could.
It really is not difficult.
Any competent person could do so.
All that is required is the skill and the will.
Super Slo Mo possesses neither.
We are about to find out if Bloom does.
Re: What has been learned in 2025 by this group of players
Posted: 27 Aug 2025 09:15 am
by Bully4you
rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 09:07 am
Positives:
-Winn has become an elite defensive SS but lacks the offensive skills that could make him an all-star
-Hererra & Burleson can hit but neither has a field position
-Gorman (last 200 PA's: 12 HR/.353 OB%/.491Slg%/.845/OPS) is coming around, he's a keeper and the only true power bat in the organization but like Hererra & Burly he has no real field position (he's been awful at 3rd base, okay at 2B)
-WillyC has played well at 1st base and continues to be a solid hitter
-Libby & McG gives the rotation two young #3/4 starters to build around
-The bullpen
Negatives:
-No star players
-Starting pitching reeks............ as Gray ages leaving the team w/NO FOTR starter
-The OF has been Mo's biggest failure now for too many seasons, WEAK
-Walker is a BUST
-Pallante needs to be DFA'd
-Oli must go
I'm not as high on Libbey and McGreevy.
They aren't that great and Pallante was actually better than them a year or two ago.
Gorman, Herrera, Burleson and Contreras are really all DH's.
None are any good on the field.
We have a couple of guys with speed, but they can't get on base.
Just a [fustercluck] of a team.
Re: What has been learned in 2025 by this group of players
Posted: 27 Aug 2025 09:18 am
by rockondlouie
Bully4you wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 09:15 am
rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 09:07 am
Positives:
-Winn has become an elite defensive SS but lacks the offensive skills that could make him an all-star
-Hererra & Burleson can hit but neither has a field position
-Gorman (last 200 PA's: 12 HR/.353 OB%/.491Slg%/.845/OPS) is coming around, he's a keeper and the only true power bat in the organization but like Hererra & Burly he has no real field position (he's been awful at 3rd base, okay at 2B)
-WillyC has played well at 1st base and continues to be a solid hitter
-Libby & McG gives the rotation two young #3/4 starters to build around
-The bullpen
Negatives:
-No star players
-Starting pitching reeks............ as Gray ages leaving the team w/NO FOTR starter
-The OF has been Mo's biggest failure now for too many seasons, WEAK
-Walker is a BUST
-Pallante needs to be DFA'd
-Oli must go
I'm not as high on Libbey and McGreevy.
They aren't that great and Pallante was actually better than them a year or two ago.
Gorman, Herrera, Burleson and Contreras are really all DH's.
None are any good on the field.
We have a couple of guys with speed, but they can't get on base.
Just a [fustercluck] of a team.
Cardinals are 10-3 in MCG's starts and Libby given an offseason to train as a starter can be a solid mid rotation starter.
WillyC has been solid at 1st base and Burly is good there too.
I agree Gorman's best spot is DH, Hererra too.
Horrible Mo roster, Bloom needs to tear it up this winter!
Re: What has been learned in 2025 by this group of players
Posted: 27 Aug 2025 09:23 am
by Red7
Melville wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 09:11 am
Bully4you wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 09:02 am
Melville wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 08:58 am
Bully4you wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 08:57 am
11WSChamps wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 08:50 am
We are years away from being relevant.
Welcome to baseballs skid row.
It's shocking how far they've fallen.
Heads should roll.
The people know, because they don't show up anymore.
Gonna be a long haul to fix this thing.
Any competent person could fix the team in under 30 days.
I could - quite easily.
Come on.
That's disingenuous.
God himself couldn't fix this disaster in a year, let alone 30 days.
Yes, I could.
It really is not difficult.
Any competent person could do so.
All that is required is the skill and the will.
Super Slo Mo possesses neither.
We are about to find out if Bloom does.
I’m guessing you could also end the war in Ukraine in 24 hours and lower inflation on Day 1. It’s amazing you don’t have a front office job in MLB.