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Speaking of which, how are they doing?craviduce wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 17:53 pm thanks, MattMitch!!!
started the year between 18-25 (depending on the publication), now we're 8-13. Improvement with draft, but more importantly, the Cards really did well to stack their mid tier rankings with the recent trade deadline. We got back a bunch of 40 grade to 45 grade prospects in those bullpen trades.
up and down with the starting pitching...but they have a while to develop. I like the Dohm kid from Miss. State...eventually he'll be an adequate 4-5 starter. Jesus Baez struggled first 2 1/2 weeks, no XBH...then rattled off 2 HR's last week. He's really raw. Blaze Jordan is a weaker Jordan Walker....loves to pound the ball into the ground, sometimes he gets ahold of one...sometimes. I'm not impressed with Blaze...at the moment.Red7 wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 17:56 pmSpeaking of which, how are they doing?craviduce wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 17:53 pm thanks, MattMitch!!!
started the year between 18-25 (depending on the publication), now we're 8-13. Improvement with draft, but more importantly, the Cards really did well to stack their mid tier rankings with the recent trade deadline. We got back a bunch of 40 grade to 45 grade prospects in those bullpen trades.
How much weight do Wetherholt and Doyle alone carry? If the rank would be 15-20 without them then really nothing has changed.craviduce wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 18:00 pmup and down with the starting pitching...but they have a while to develop. I like the Dohm kid from Miss. State...eventually he'll be an adequate 4-5 starter. Jesus Baez struggled first 2 1/2 weeks, no XBH...then rattled off 2 HR's last week. He's really raw. Blaze Jordan is a weaker Jordan Walker....loves to pound the ball into the ground, sometimes he gets ahold of one...sometimes. I'm not impressed with Blaze...at the moment.Red7 wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 17:56 pmSpeaking of which, how are they doing?craviduce wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 17:53 pm thanks, MattMitch!!!
started the year between 18-25 (depending on the publication), now we're 8-13. Improvement with draft, but more importantly, the Cards really did well to stack their mid tier rankings with the recent trade deadline. We got back a bunch of 40 grade to 45 grade prospects in those bullpen trades.
JJ and Quinn and Tink only got us in the 18-22 range...that was when both Quinn and Tink were highly rated. It was the lack 35-45 rated players...we were really really thin.Youboughtit wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 18:04 pmHow much weight do Wetherholt and Doyle alone carry? If the rank would be 15-20 without them then really nothing has changed.craviduce wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 18:00 pmup and down with the starting pitching...but they have a while to develop. I like the Dohm kid from Miss. State...eventually he'll be an adequate 4-5 starter. Jesus Baez struggled first 2 1/2 weeks, no XBH...then rattled off 2 HR's last week. He's really raw. Blaze Jordan is a weaker Jordan Walker....loves to pound the ball into the ground, sometimes he gets ahold of one...sometimes. I'm not impressed with Blaze...at the moment.Red7 wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 17:56 pmSpeaking of which, how are they doing?craviduce wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 17:53 pm thanks, MattMitch!!!
started the year between 18-25 (depending on the publication), now we're 8-13. Improvement with draft, but more importantly, the Cards really did well to stack their mid tier rankings with the recent trade deadline. We got back a bunch of 40 grade to 45 grade prospects in those bullpen trades.
First of all, thanks Crav. Guys like Crooks, Bernial, Church and Baez have progressed. As have a couple of pitchers. Quin Mathews still has weight.Youboughtit wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 18:04 pmHow much weight do Wetherholt and Doyle alone carry? If the rank would be 15-20 without them then really nothing has changed.craviduce wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 18:00 pmup and down with the starting pitching...but they have a while to develop. I like the Dohm kid from Miss. State...eventually he'll be an adequate 4-5 starter. Jesus Baez struggled first 2 1/2 weeks, no XBH...then rattled off 2 HR's last week. He's really raw. Blaze Jordan is a weaker Jordan Walker....loves to pound the ball into the ground, sometimes he gets ahold of one...sometimes. I'm not impressed with Blaze...at the moment.Red7 wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 17:56 pmSpeaking of which, how are they doing?craviduce wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 17:53 pm thanks, MattMitch!!!
started the year between 18-25 (depending on the publication), now we're 8-13. Improvement with draft, but more importantly, the Cards really did well to stack their mid tier rankings with the recent trade deadline. We got back a bunch of 40 grade to 45 grade prospects in those bullpen trades.
DSL?craviduce wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 18:08 pmJJ and Quinn and Tink only got us in the 18-22 range...that was when both Quinn and Tink were highly rated. It was the lack 35-45 rated players...we were really really thin.Youboughtit wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 18:04 pmHow much weight do Wetherholt and Doyle alone carry? If the rank would be 15-20 without them then really nothing has changed.craviduce wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 18:00 pmup and down with the starting pitching...but they have a while to develop. I like the Dohm kid from Miss. State...eventually he'll be an adequate 4-5 starter. Jesus Baez struggled first 2 1/2 weeks, no XBH...then rattled off 2 HR's last week. He's really raw. Blaze Jordan is a weaker Jordan Walker....loves to pound the ball into the ground, sometimes he gets ahold of one...sometimes. I'm not impressed with Blaze...at the moment.Red7 wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 17:56 pmSpeaking of which, how are they doing?craviduce wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 17:53 pm thanks, MattMitch!!!
started the year between 18-25 (depending on the publication), now we're 8-13. Improvement with draft, but more importantly, the Cards really did well to stack their mid tier rankings with the recent trade deadline. We got back a bunch of 40 grade to 45 grade prospects in those bullpen trades.
it also helped, and I didn't note, that the DSL yielded 2 highly touted prospects last winter.....Rodriguez and Padilla...with Strop and Hunter on the Horizon
sorry....Domincan Summer League.....and when I said last winter...that's when they entered the conversation as top Prospects.Absolut wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 18:39 pmDSL?craviduce wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 18:08 pmJJ and Quinn and Tink only got us in the 18-22 range...that was when both Quinn and Tink were highly rated. It was the lack 35-45 rated players...we were really really thin.Youboughtit wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 18:04 pmHow much weight do Wetherholt and Doyle alone carry? If the rank would be 15-20 without them then really nothing has changed.craviduce wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 18:00 pmup and down with the starting pitching...but they have a while to develop. I like the Dohm kid from Miss. State...eventually he'll be an adequate 4-5 starter. Jesus Baez struggled first 2 1/2 weeks, no XBH...then rattled off 2 HR's last week. He's really raw. Blaze Jordan is a weaker Jordan Walker....loves to pound the ball into the ground, sometimes he gets ahold of one...sometimes. I'm not impressed with Blaze...at the moment.Red7 wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 17:56 pmSpeaking of which, how are they doing?craviduce wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 17:53 pm thanks, MattMitch!!!
started the year between 18-25 (depending on the publication), now we're 8-13. Improvement with draft, but more importantly, the Cards really did well to stack their mid tier rankings with the recent trade deadline. We got back a bunch of 40 grade to 45 grade prospects in those bullpen trades.
it also helped, and I didn't note, that the DSL yielded 2 highly touted prospects last winter.....Rodriguez and Padilla...with Strop and Hunter on the Horizon
There’s a different slang meaning for dsl. I’m told.craviduce wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 18:40 pmsorry....Domincan Summer League.....and when I said last winter...that's when they entered the conversation as top Prospects.Absolut wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 18:39 pmDSL?craviduce wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 18:08 pmJJ and Quinn and Tink only got us in the 18-22 range...that was when both Quinn and Tink were highly rated. It was the lack 35-45 rated players...we were really really thin.Youboughtit wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 18:04 pmHow much weight do Wetherholt and Doyle alone carry? If the rank would be 15-20 without them then really nothing has changed.craviduce wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 18:00 pmup and down with the starting pitching...but they have a while to develop. I like the Dohm kid from Miss. State...eventually he'll be an adequate 4-5 starter. Jesus Baez struggled first 2 1/2 weeks, no XBH...then rattled off 2 HR's last week. He's really raw. Blaze Jordan is a weaker Jordan Walker....loves to pound the ball into the ground, sometimes he gets ahold of one...sometimes. I'm not impressed with Blaze...at the moment.Red7 wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 17:56 pmSpeaking of which, how are they doing?craviduce wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 17:53 pm thanks, MattMitch!!!
started the year between 18-25 (depending on the publication), now we're 8-13. Improvement with draft, but more importantly, the Cards really did well to stack their mid tier rankings with the recent trade deadline. We got back a bunch of 40 grade to 45 grade prospects in those bullpen trades.
it also helped, and I didn't note, that the DSL yielded 2 highly touted prospects last winter.....Rodriguez and Padilla...with Strop and Hunter on the Horizon
craviduce wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 18:08 pmJJ and Quinn and Tink only got us in the 18-22 range...that was when both Quinn and Tink were highly rated. It was the lack 35-45 rated players...we were really really thin.Youboughtit wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 18:04 pmHow much weight do Wetherholt and Doyle alone carry? If the rank would be 15-20 without them then really nothing has changed.craviduce wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 18:00 pmup and down with the starting pitching...but they have a while to develop. I like the Dohm kid from Miss. State...eventually he'll be an adequate 4-5 starter. Jesus Baez struggled first 2 1/2 weeks, no XBH...then rattled off 2 HR's last week. He's really raw. Blaze Jordan is a weaker Jordan Walker....loves to pound the ball into the ground, sometimes he gets ahold of one...sometimes. I'm not impressed with Blaze...at the moment.Red7 wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 17:56 pmSpeaking of which, how are they doing?craviduce wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 17:53 pm thanks, MattMitch!!!
started the year between 18-25 (depending on the publication), now we're 8-13. Improvement with draft, but more importantly, the Cards really did well to stack their mid tier rankings with the recent trade deadline. We got back a bunch of 40 grade to 45 grade prospects in those bullpen trades.
it also helped, and I didn't note, that the DSL yielded 2 highly touted prospects last winter.....Rodriguez and Padilla...with Strop and Hunter on the Horizon
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JJ was drafted a year ago. They jumped from 23-15 immediately after. I am assuming Doyle had same effect. That’s my point. It’s not farm depth. It’s 2 real prospects. Milwaukee is #1 and have 8-10 players ready for the bigs and have the best record in baseball. Even at 9 the Cardinals MLB roster has a long way to go. Also they have a ton of 5 year minor leaguers not on 40 man. I beleive 14. More than any team. That has a huge effect and unless they find a way to protect them by trading or releasing the rank will change
I'm thinking Pallante shouldn't be in the SP picture.cardstatman wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 22:13 pm Starting Point for Bloom's first offseason
CPages/PozoCrooks/Pages
1B Contreras/Burleson
2BDonovan/GormanWetherholt
SS Winn/Saggese
3B Arenado
LFNootbarDonovan
CFScottScott/Church
RFWalkerNootbar
DH Herrera
Trade Pozo, Gorman and replace with Crooks, Wetherholt
Send Walker to AAA and replace with Church
The OF is too lefthanded so why not trade LH Nootbar for a young RH outfielder. Sign a FA RF if the youngster isn't yet MLB ready.
SP1 Gray
SP2 Liberatore
SP3MikolasMathews --- big upgrade
SP4Fedde/McGreevyMcGreevy
SP5 Pallante
Traded Fedde and replaced with McGreevy
Mikolas leaves via FA; replace with Mathews
Sign a FA SP to push Pallante for a job; need some depth until the herd of LH starters (Henderson, Hanson, Mautz) is ready late in 2026.
They should DFA Mikolas now and give Curtis Taylor an MLB look to see if he's worth keeping around for 2026.
RRP1HelsleyGranillo
RRP2MatonAlcala
RRP3 Leahy
RRP4 Svanson
RRP5 O'Brien
RP6MatzGraceffo
LRP1 Romero
LRP2KingVeneziano or Mosqueda
Traded Helsley, Maton, Matz and replaced with Granillo, Alcala, Graceffo
Trade King and replace with Veneziano or Mosqueda
Sign a FA reliever or two to push Graceffo back to AAA for depth