Texier / Joseph

[bixblues]

Seems like everyone on here has written these guys off already for this season. Don't get me wrong..........I'm not pining for them to have bigger roles this year but I thought Joseph came on by the end of the season. He's got good wheels and plays physical. Texier has his merits as well. What do others think?

[netboy65]

Seems like everyone on here has written these guys off already for this season. Don't get me wrong..........I'm not pining for them to have bigger roles this year but I thought Joseph came on by the end of the season. He's got good wheels and plays physical. Texier has his merits as well. What do others think?

Joseph could stick and be injury insurance (and I’m not sold he’s even capable of that) but Texier was given multiple chances and was/is hot garbage.
We need to raise the talent bar so that we don’t have these two or the Sunny’s of the world on our roster.

[Frank Barone]

Seems like everyone on here has written these guys off already for this season. Don't get me wrong..........I'm not pining for them to have bigger roles this year but I thought Joseph came on by the end of the season. He's got good wheels and plays physical. Texier has his merits as well. What do others think?

Joseph could stick and be injury insurance (and I’m not sold he’s even capable of that) but Texier was given multiple chances and was/is hot garbage.
We need to raise the talent bar so that we don’t have these two or the Sunny’s of the world on our roster.

Both of these players have talent. In the case of Texier, the talent hasn't yet translated into production. It may never happen.

Joseph is a productive player who can skate, kill penalties and hit. He may be more effective than Sunny or Bjugstad at this point although he doesn't play center.

[STL fan in MN]

Seems like everyone on here has written these guys off already for this season. Don't get me wrong..........I'm not pining for them to have bigger roles this year but I thought Joseph came on by the end of the season. He's got good wheels and plays physical. Texier has his merits as well. What do others think?

They’re both fine. Nothing special but they’re NHL caliber players. The problem is that they’re basically replacement level players and make $2.95M and $2.1M against the Cap respectively. We currently have the cap room to cover that but if they were making closer to league minimum, nobody would really complain about them. There’s a reason why we got a 3rd from the Sens to take Joseph’s contract and were able to get Tex for only a 4th.

That said, Joseph is solid defensively and on the PK. And has wheels.

And Tex has legit skills. The problem is he’s super inconsistent and not very good defensively. One shift he’ll make a nice play and ring the post or score occasionally and the next he’ll have a really bad turnover.

But both absolutely have the ability to contribute more than what they did last season. Is it super likely? Probably not…but it’s certainly possible. They shouldn’t be written off completely.

[DawgDad]

My view is these are depth guys, initially brought in to plug holes while prospects develop. Anyone who can carve out a role that improves the team is welcome (Toro, Walker, Sunny, et al), but it's not optimal to count on these depth guys carrying you into the playoffs.

[BalotelliMassive]

They're holding back roster spots for prospects that need playing time in the NHL. Why pay 5 million to two people when you can pay 1.8 million to replace them with players that need ice time asap. The Blues have too many role players already.

[bixblues]

Sunny doesn't do much for me so I'd take Joseph over him but someone pointed out he doesn't play C. Might not matter now though since we added Bjugstad and Suter down the middle. I don't think anyone is really "counting" on these guys so anything they can provide offensively on the 3rd or 4th lines seems like a bonus. I do agree that i'd rather a rookie have Texier's spot at this point.

[LGB73]

Joseph has a place on the 4th line and PK. Pair him with Torp and you've got a lot of physicality there.

Texier doesn't have a place because Dvorsky should be on the team filling the skill need on the 3rd line whether its on the wing or center.

[Harry S Deals]

They're holding back roster spots for prospects that need playing time in the NHL. Why pay 5 million to two people when you can pay 1.8 million to replace them with players that need ice time asap. The Blues have too many role players already.

This is a good point but the prospects have actually show that they are NHL ready. We can agree a few are close but we have to see it before the prospect takes some ones spot

[DawgDad]

Joseph and Texier aren't blocking anybody. The Blues Management is attempting to set a standard for earning a spot in the NHL, to help ensure proper development of their prized prospects. If they play prospects too soon the team's performance and the player's development may suffer.

Joseph and Texier have not blocked Snuggerud's path to the NHL, he was deemed ready and he played to the exclusion of one of them when he was available. I mean, what better evidence could there possibly be?

[aslord]

I would keep Joseph and give him 3rd/4th line minutes when injuries or fatigue set in. Texier needs to go away. I'm playing out Sunny's contract as he's a good playoff guy.

[STL fan in MN]

Sunny doesn't do much for me so I'd take Joseph over him but someone pointed out he doesn't play C. Might not matter now though since we added Bjugstad and Suter down the middle. I don't think anyone is really "counting" on these guys so anything they can provide offensively on the 3rd or 4th lines seems like a bonus. I do agree that i'd rather a rookie have Texier's spot at this point.

Sunny brings 3 things neither Joseph or Tex do - much better hockey sense, he’s right handed and he can play center.

He’s slow AF but Sunny is a very smart positional player. Can play C or RW. Both Tex and Joseph can really only play LW. I suppose you could throw them on the right side but either Sunny or newcomer Bjugstad are righties and would almost certainly be better fits on the right side.

[Bacchk29]

They're holding back roster spots for prospects that need playing time in the NHL. Why pay 5 million to two people when you can pay 1.8 million to replace them with players that need ice time asap. The Blues have too many role players already.

This is why I’d put both on waivers and buy them out if nobody claimed them.

[STL fan in MN]

Joseph and Texier aren't blocking anybody. The Blues Management is attempting to set a standard for earning a spot in the NHL, to help ensure proper development of their prized prospects. If they play prospects too soon the team's performance and the player's development may suffer.

Joseph and Texier have not blocked Snuggerud's path to the NHL, he was deemed ready and he played to the exclusion of one of them when he was available. I mean, what better evidence could there possibly be?

I’d agree with this. As soon as Dvorsky or any other prospect shows they’re ready, Tex and/or Joseph can be scratched, placed on waivers or moved for future considerations to open up the spot. As you correctly pointed out with Snuggerud, they’re not blocking anybody.

[HighStick]

I agree with most of the other posters here, I think Joseph is serviceable but I really don't see much benefit to keeping Texier. I'm not seeing much from him yet.

[Whatashame]

Sunny is like the old shoes you keep because they are comfortable. He’s not flashy and his best days are behind him but he’s a guy you can put out there and he won’t kill you with mistakes. He can kill penalties and he gives you everything he has left.

Texier and Joseph are just placeholders. Do I wish they made less? Sure but their time is limited and if they can be moved, they will be. Would I be surprised if Lucic takes one of their spots, not really especially if Lucic would play here for less. These are short term guys as we wait for the Dvorsky’s and Carbonneau’s to arrive.