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Here’s the position player breakdown-overall value
Posted: 13 Aug 2025 20:49 pm
by hmoss859
POSITION PLAYERS, OVERALL VALUE
Using the FanGraphs version of Wins Above Replacement, here’s a list of where individual Cardinals rank in fWAR among the 252 major-league players that have at least 250 plate appearances this season:
Masyn Winn, 23rd
Brendan Donovan, 72nd
Willson Contreras, 87th
Victor Scott II, 106th
Ivan Herrera, 119th
Alec Burleson, 151st
Lars Nootbaar, 159th
Nolan Arenado, 179th
Pedro Pages, 188th
Nolan Gorman, 200th
Jordan Walker, 242th
Notes: fWAR encompasses offense, defense and baserunning … Winn (3.5 fWAR) and Scott (1.
have accrued most of their value on defense … Herrera’s 1.6 fWAR would be higher but his season has twice been interrupted by injuries … Alec Burleson has a low 1.1 fWAR, but that’s because of baserunning and defense …for the STL front office, it has to be at least a little disheartening to see the low-value seasons turned in by Gorman and Walker.
Re: Here’s the position player breakdown-overall value
Posted: 13 Aug 2025 20:54 pm
by DickyBennett
5 players in top half of league
6 in bottom including 2 first round picks
Great roster construction Mo
Re: Here’s the position player breakdown-overall value
Posted: 13 Aug 2025 20:59 pm
by CorneliusWolfe
The average CT poster could’ve drafted and traded and constructed a team that would at least be no worse.
Re: Here’s the position player breakdown-overall value
Posted: 13 Aug 2025 21:11 pm
by Jatalk
hmoss859 wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 20:49 pm
POSITION PLAYERS, OVERALL VALUE
Using the FanGraphs version of Wins Above Replacement, here’s a list of where individual Cardinals rank in fWAR among the 252 major-league players that have at least 250 plate appearances this season:
Masyn Winn, 23rd
Brendan Donovan, 72nd
Willson Contreras, 87th
Victor Scott II, 106th
Ivan Herrera, 119th
Alec Burleson, 151st
Lars Nootbaar, 159th
Nolan Arenado, 179th
Pedro Pages, 188th
Nolan Gorman, 200th
Jordan Walker, 242th
Notes: fWAR encompasses offense, defense and baserunning … Winn (3.5 fWAR) and Scott (1.
have accrued most of their value on defense … Herrera’s 1.6 fWAR would be higher but his season has twice been interrupted by injuries … Alec Burleson has a low 1.1 fWAR, but that’s because of baserunning and defense …for the STL front office, it has to be at least a little disheartening to see the low-value seasons turned in by Gorman and Walker.
Don’t put a lot of stock in WAR. You point out Gorman and Walker. More should be made of the older, more experienced, highly paid Arenado. 179th is pathetic considering the expectations.
Re: Here’s the position player breakdown-overall value
Posted: 13 Aug 2025 21:16 pm
by DickyBennett
I think those rankings are pretty spot on
Takes into account the total player value
Offense, Defense and Baserunning
It’s a small miracle they are a .500 team
Re: Here’s the position player breakdown-overall value
Posted: 13 Aug 2025 21:37 pm
by Ozziesfan41
The unikkorns 200th?
Re: Here’s the position player breakdown-overall value
Posted: 13 Aug 2025 21:42 pm
by imadangman
They'll need Wetherholt and Walker to join Winn atop the list.
Re: Here’s the position player breakdown-overall value
Posted: 13 Aug 2025 21:58 pm
by JuanAgosto
CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 20:59 pm
The average CT poster could’ve drafted and traded and constructed a team that would at least be no worse.
Isn't that the truth. John Mozeliak is a complete dumb (donkey) when it comes to evaluating talent.
Re: Here’s the position player breakdown-overall value
Posted: 14 Aug 2025 08:03 am
by 12xu
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 21:37 pm
The unikkorns 200th?
just the facts. No bias, no agenda.
Re: Here’s the position player breakdown-overall value
Posted: 14 Aug 2025 08:23 am
by JDW
imadangman wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 21:42 pm
They'll need Wetherholt and Walker to join Winn atop the list.
Well, if the Cards could have Wetherholt around 10th on that list next year, with Crooks around 125th while the others like Winn just improved a little, let's say 20th, it could make a significant difference IF the SP rotation was also significantly improved.
Re: Here’s the position player breakdown-overall value
Posted: 14 Aug 2025 08:25 am
by imadangman
JDW wrote: ↑14 Aug 2025 08:23 am
imadangman wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 21:42 pm
They'll need Wetherholt and Walker to join Winn atop the list.
Well, if the Cards could have Wetherholt around 10th on that list next year, with Crooks around 125th while the others like Winn just improved a little, let's say 20th, it could make a significant difference IF the SP rotation was also significantly improved.
And then if Herrera stays right where he is that's fine, if he can play a full season and contribute the value of a impact hitter.
Re: Here’s the position player breakdown-overall value
Posted: 14 Aug 2025 09:02 am
by rockondlouie
And the bulk of Winn/VSII's fWAR is from their defense/baserunning, both are "meh" at the plate.
Re: Here’s the position player breakdown-overall value
Posted: 14 Aug 2025 09:25 am
by scoutyjones2
Baseball Savant wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 21:16 pm
I think those rankings are pretty spot on
Takes into account the total player value
Offense, Defense and Baserunning
It’s a small miracle they are a .500 team
No. Freaking Oli is so inept, this is easily a 600 wining pct team
Re: Here’s the position player breakdown-overall value
Posted: 14 Aug 2025 09:57 am
by swatski
If the front office is not willing to pay for starting pitching, it will be years until this team is ready for a deep playoff run. The numbers in their projected prospects are just not there in their system now.
Re: Here’s the position player breakdown-overall value
Posted: 14 Aug 2025 12:38 pm
by redbirdfan51
imadangman wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 21:42 pm
They'll need Wetherholt and Walker to join Winn atop the list.
Next years success could depend heavily on the 3 W's as mentioned and Herrera for position players. Pitching is another story. Cards will need add to the starting pitching. McGreevy and possibly Matthews will start, but not sold on Pallente and Lib, though I think Lib should be fine.
Re: Here’s the position player breakdown-overall value
Posted: 14 Aug 2025 13:00 pm
by imadangman
redbirdfan51 wrote: ↑14 Aug 2025 12:38 pm
imadangman wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 21:42 pm
They'll need Wetherholt and Walker to join Winn atop the list.
Next years success could depend heavily on the 3 W's as mentioned and Herrera for position players. Pitching is another story. Cards will need add to the starting pitching. McGreevy and possibly Matthews will start, but not sold on Pallente and Lib, though I think Lib should be fine.
I like the W theme, kind of like the Killer B's.
Yes, they'll need to go outside the organization for pitching. And no, not another #4 starter.