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NO WAY A. Pallante can be in the

2026 starting rotation plans.

He's got similar stats to one of the worst starters in MLB, M. Mikolas:

Pallante
23 GS
4.95 ERA
4.51 FiP
1.37 WHiP
5.8 SO9

Mikolas
22 GS
5.11 ERA
4.90 FiP
1.32 WHiP
6.2 SO9

Back to trying to win a spot in the 2026 bullpen, he's NOT even a #5 major league starter.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑10 Aug 2025 09:01 am NO WAY A. Pallante can be in the

2026 starting rotation plans.

He's got similar stats to one of the worst starters in MLB, M. Mikolas:

Pallante
23 GS
4.95 ERA
4.51 FiP
1.37 WHiP
5.8 SO9

Mikolas
22 GS
5.11 ERA
4.90 FiP
1.32 WHiP
6.2 SO9

Back to trying to win a spot in the 2026 bullpen, he's NOT even a #5 major league starter.

They truly are a matched set. Other that MM's hideous salary.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑10 Aug 2025 09:01 am NO WAY A. Pallante can be in the

2026 starting rotation plans.

He's got similar stats to one of the worst starters in MLB, M. Mikolas:

Pallante
23 GS
4.95 ERA
4.51 FiP
1.37 WHiP
5.8 SO9

Mikolas
22 GS
5.11 ERA
4.90 FiP
1.32 WHiP
6.2 SO9

Back to trying to win a spot in the 2026 bullpen, he's NOT even a #5 major league starter.

Yeah, I didn't even need the numbers. The eye test is enough. Ugghhhh. When you consistently put your team behind after the first inning or two.... The team seems deflated most games when they are down by a crooked number going into their first AB. It is nice when we get out of the first inning not behind!

I am not that big a fan of Pallante being a starter. I still think he is either a 5th starter or a long reliever. Cards have 3 starters going into next season. Gray, Lib, and McGreevy. Maybe LHP Matthews and perhaps even Doyle may work their way in the rotation sometime during the 2026 season. Stating the obvious,Cards will need to acquire more pitching in the off season.

bccardsfan wrote: ↑10 Aug 2025 09:09 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑10 Aug 2025 09:01 am NO WAY A. Pallante can be in the

2026 starting rotation plans.

He's got similar stats to one of the worst starters in MLB, M. Mikolas:

Pallante
23 GS
4.95 ERA
4.51 FiP
1.37 WHiP
5.8 SO9

Mikolas
22 GS
5.11 ERA
4.90 FiP
1.32 WHiP
6.2 SO9

Back to trying to win a spot in the 2026 bullpen, he's NOT even a #5 major league starter.

Yeah, I didn't even need the numbers. The eye test is enough. Ugghhhh. When you consistently put your team behind after the first inning or two.... The team seems deflated most games when they are down by a crooked number going into their first AB. It is nice when we get out of the first inning not behind!

That's been a huge problem all season, the offense has been behind early too often.

redbirdfan51 wrote: ↑10 Aug 2025 09:30 am I am not that big a fan of Pallante being a starter. I still think he is either a 5th starter or a long reliever. Cards have 3 starters going into next season. Gray, Lib, and McGreevy. Maybe LHP Matthews and perhaps even Doyle may work their way in the rotation sometime during the 2026 season. Stating the obvious,Cards will need to acquire more pitching in the off season.

That could be C. Bloom's first trade rf51, dealing for a starter.

Currently, P is a 4 or 5 pitcher in starting rotation. Long reliever - very well good be.

Mikolas believes (as stated on numerous occasions ( also stated by the Marmot) he pitched very well except for a couple pitches. P has stated he is working on correcting his performance. He owns his performance - that alone makes me want to keep him on the staff.

Before assigning him to any particular spot in the pitching staff, I would wait and see who Bloom gets as manager, pitching coach, and pitching support staff. Have those new hires eval P. Have zip faith in Marmot and Blake, et al.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑10 Aug 2025 09:01 am NO WAY A. Pallante can be in the

2026 starting rotation plans.

He's got similar stats to one of the worst starters in MLB, M. Mikolas:

Pallante
23 GS
4.95 ERA
4.51 FiP
1.37 WHiP
5.8 SO9

Mikolas
22 GS
5.11 ERA
4.90 FiP
1.32 WHiP
6.2 SO9

Back to trying to win a spot in the 2026 bullpen, he's NOT even a #5 major league starter.

Our entire rotation aside from Gray sucks at striking out players. So they’re all pretty much Mikolas clones.

Libby: 6.8 K/9 *5.87 K/9 over his last 14 starts*
Mikolas: 6.2/ K/9
Pallante: 5.8 K/9
Fedde: 5.6 K/9 *gone*
McGreevy: 5.2 K/9

I actually think Pallante had been very respectable as a SP prior to 2025.
This season.....clearly a step back.
Depending on the off season moves I could see him opening the season as a #5.
But if the team hopes to compete they will need him to be better just to be a #5!
BP most likely in his future.

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑10 Aug 2025 15:08 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑10 Aug 2025 09:01 am NO WAY A. Pallante can be in the

2026 starting rotation plans.

He's got similar stats to one of the worst starters in MLB, M. Mikolas:

Pallante
23 GS
4.95 ERA
4.51 FiP
1.37 WHiP
5.8 SO9

Mikolas
22 GS
5.11 ERA
4.90 FiP
1.32 WHiP
6.2 SO9

Back to trying to win a spot in the 2026 bullpen, he's NOT even a #5 major league starter.

Our entire rotation aside from Gray sucks at striking out players. So they’re all pretty much Mikolas clones.

Libby: 6.8 K/9 *5.87 K/9 over his last 14 starts*
Mikolas: 6.2/ K/9
Pallante: 5.8 K/9
Fedde: 5.6 K/9 *gone*
McGreevy: 5.2 K/9

Yet it was two years ago, I believe, when the front office admitted that the team's pitch-to-contact philosophy - a budget-friendly one I might add - was perhaps outdated and they needed to add some strikeout arms. That to me is the boldest example of Mo and Co. saying one thing and doing another.

Pallante i believe has earned another shot next year because of how hard he worked last offseason and will likely work this off season with the 'tread and driveline' folks. He may need to earn his spot next spring which would be fine but he for sure should get the opportunity -- his cost is team friendly also.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑10 Aug 2025 09:01 am NO WAY A. Pallante can be in the

2026 starting rotation plans.

He's got similar stats to one of the worst starters in MLB, M. Mikolas:

Pallante
23 GS
4.95 ERA
4.51 FiP
1.37 WHiP
5.8 SO9

Mikolas
22 GS
5.11 ERA
4.90 FiP
1.32 WHiP
6.2 SO9

Back to trying to win a spot in the 2026 bullpen, he's NOT even a #5 major league starter.

He is what he is. A pitch to contact ground ball machine that is subject to a lot of batted ball luck. If his luck holds out he looks almost dominant, unfortunately nobody is that lucky. He's a reliever that comes in to get a double play ball or if a game is out of hand. Nothing more. He has value, but only in limited play. He just doesn't miss enough bats to be a starter.

CCard wrote: ↑10 Aug 2025 17:29 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑10 Aug 2025 09:01 am NO WAY A. Pallante can be in the

2026 starting rotation plans.

He's got similar stats to one of the worst starters in MLB, M. Mikolas:

Pallante
23 GS
4.95 ERA
4.51 FiP
1.37 WHiP
5.8 SO9

Mikolas
22 GS
5.11 ERA
4.90 FiP
1.32 WHiP
6.2 SO9

Back to trying to win a spot in the 2026 bullpen, he's NOT even a #5 major league starter.

He is what he is. A pitch to contact ground ball machine that is subject to a lot of batted ball luck. If his luck holds out he looks almost dominant, unfortunately nobody is that lucky. He's a reliever that comes in to get a double play ball or if a game is out of hand. Nothing more. He has value, but only in limited play. He just doesn't miss enough bats to be a starter.

he has failed miserably as a reliever --- he doesn't have an out pitch, he might be able to live as a long reliever/spot starter but you are better off trading him instead of putting him in the pen.

CCard wrote: ↑10 Aug 2025 17:29 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑10 Aug 2025 09:01 am NO WAY A. Pallante can be in the

2026 starting rotation plans.

He's got similar stats to one of the worst starters in MLB, M. Mikolas:

Pallante
23 GS
4.95 ERA
4.51 FiP
1.37 WHiP
5.8 SO9

Mikolas
22 GS
5.11 ERA
4.90 FiP
1.32 WHiP
6.2 SO9

Back to trying to win a spot in the 2026 bullpen, he's NOT even a #5 major league starter.

He is what he is. A pitch to contact ground ball machine that is subject to a lot of batted ball luck. If his luck holds out he looks almost dominant, unfortunately nobody is that lucky. He's a reliever that comes in to get a double play ball or if a game is out of hand. Nothing more. He has value, but only in limited play. He just doesn't miss enough bats to be a starter.

Bingo

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑10 Aug 2025 15:08 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑10 Aug 2025 09:01 am NO WAY A. Pallante can be in the

2026 starting rotation plans.

He's got similar stats to one of the worst starters in MLB, M. Mikolas:

Pallante
23 GS
4.95 ERA
4.51 FiP
1.37 WHiP
5.8 SO9

Mikolas
22 GS
5.11 ERA
4.90 FiP
1.32 WHiP
6.2 SO9

Back to trying to win a spot in the 2026 bullpen, he's NOT even a #5 major league starter.

Our entire rotation aside from Gray sucks at striking out players. So they’re all pretty much Mikolas clones.

Libby: 6.8 K/9 *5.87 K/9 over his last 14 starts*
Mikolas: 6.2/ K/9
Pallante: 5.8 K/9
Fedde: 5.6 K/9 *gone*
McGreevy: 5.2 K/9

For sure

Other than Gray, Mo stuck to the "pitch to contact" pitchers while the rest of MLB (at least the smart teams) went to power pitchers.

Why I was sooooooooooooo glad to see C. Bloom/R. Flores drafting pitchers w/KO power.

Sure other than Doyle they have some rough edges but now that the Bloom system is in place and R. Cerfolio is overseeing it we could actually sand off those rough edges and have some power pitchers!

rockondlouie wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 08:44 am

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑10 Aug 2025 15:08 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑10 Aug 2025 09:01 am NO WAY A. Pallante can be in the

2026 starting rotation plans.

He's got similar stats to one of the worst starters in MLB, M. Mikolas:

Pallante
23 GS
4.95 ERA
4.51 FiP
1.37 WHiP
5.8 SO9

Mikolas
22 GS
5.11 ERA
4.90 FiP
1.32 WHiP
6.2 SO9

Back to trying to win a spot in the 2026 bullpen, he's NOT even a #5 major league starter.

Our entire rotation aside from Gray sucks at striking out players. So they’re all pretty much Mikolas clones.

Libby: 6.8 K/9 *5.87 K/9 over his last 14 starts*
Mikolas: 6.2/ K/9
Pallante: 5.8 K/9
Fedde: 5.6 K/9 *gone*
McGreevy: 5.2 K/9

For sure

Other than Gray, Mo stuck to the "pitch to contact" pitchers while the rest of MLB (at least the smart teams) went to power pitchers.

Why I was sooooooooooooo glad to see C. Bloom/R. Flores drafting pitchers w/KO power.

Sure other than Doyle they have some rough edges but now that the Bloom system is in place and R. Cerfolio is overseeing it we could actually sand off those rough edges and have some power pitchers!

Yep, I was looking at rankings of teams last night of SP’s with regards to ERA, K%, avg FB velo, BB%, and average against. If you averaged the rank of those categories, we came in at 24th. Only teams worse than us were the Nats, White Sox, Athletics, Rockies, Angels, and Orioles. We were saved by being 3rd in BB%. Rest of the rankings were 23rd or worse. Top tier was Phillies, Tigers, Rangers, Reds, and Mariners. Milwaukee was 6th, Pitt was 11th, and Cubs were 16th.