Prospects - Top 2-liners?

[a smell of green grass]

Which prospects appear to be destined for the TOP 2 lines on offense and defense? Snuggerud is one. Carbonneau is two. Lindstein? Mailloux? Any others?

[We Went Blues]

If "Army's well is drying up" how can any of these guys be top 6 players? You've repeatedly criticized all of Army's picks and his ability to evaluate talent.

[Red7]

Which prospects appear to be destined for the TOP 2 lines on offense and defense? Snuggerud is one. Carbonneau is two. Lindstein? Mailloux? Any others?

The jury is out on Dvorsky. Some people (I’m talking outside of the 314) think he’s a Top 6. Some people (again, outside of the 314) who think third line. We’ll see. You never know who’ll develop. Neither Doug Gilmour or Joey Mullen were seen as Top 6.

[LGB73]

Thomas Holloway Kyrou lock down half the top 6 spots and all several years under 30 years of age.

Dvorsky, Snuggerud, Carbonneau, and Neighbours are the likely competitors for the other 3 with Dvorsky being the most important to reach that potential. There are some longer shots that could develop into top 6 if we're lucky. We're looking pretty good for top 6 forwards going forward just in our own pipeline of players.

On D we've got Broberg and Lindstein as the prime candidates to lock down the top 4 on LD in the coming years. Neither a #1 but you could see both develop into #2-3 level defenseman and there are plenty of long shots on LD as well in the system that might be #3-4 type guys if we're lucky. RD is a concerning with just Mailloux at or pushing for NHL time and with CP/Faulk on the wrong side of 30. Jiricek is a huge question mark and I guess all we can do is hope he develops. Not much behind those two that we could look at as likely top 4 RDs.

Pipeline at RD and C is concerning and counting on Mailloux and Dvorsky to hit.

[Red7]

Thomas Holloway Kyrou lock down half the top 6 spots and all several years under 30 years of age.

Dvorsky, Snuggerud, Carbonneau, and Neighbours are the likely competitors for the other 3 with Dvorsky being the most important to reach that potential. There are some longer shots that could develop into top 6 if we're lucky. We're looking pretty good for top 6 forwards going forward just in our own pipeline of players.

On D we've got Broberg and Lindstein as the prime candidates to lock down the top 4 on LD in the coming years. Neither a #1 but you could see both develop into #2-3 level defenseman and there are plenty of long shots on LD as well in the system that might be #3-4 type guys if we're lucky. RD is a concerning with just Mailloux at or pushing for NHL time and with CP/Faulk on the wrong side of 30. Jiricek is a huge question mark and I guess all we can do is hope he develops. Not much behind those two that we could look at as likely top 4 RDs.

Pipeline at RD and C is concerning and counting on Mailloux and Dvorsky to hit.

Everyone loves to talk about Top 6 on this board. I will give ASOG some credit. He wants to talk about Top 3. The Blues are loaded with 2nd line players. Even Thomas is a Top Tier 2C or lower end 1C. Same with D. Parakyo is an excellent second pair D as is Fowler. It’s comparable to Sonny Gray. He’s the #1 in STL, but he’s really a #2.

Let’s see how guys like Carbonneau, Dvorsky, Mailloux, Holloway and Broberg develop. I think they have the potential for that Top 3 or Top pairing. Only time will tell.

[Nublues69]

Which prospects appear to be destined for the TOP 2 lines on offense and defense? Snuggerud is one. Carbonneau is two. Lindstein? Mailloux? Any others?

The jury is out on Dvorsky. Some people (I’m talking outside of the 314) think he’s a Top 6. Some people (again, outside of the 314) who think third line. We’ll see. You never know who’ll develop. Neither Doug Gilmour or Joey Mullen were seen as Top 6.

Are these the same people that said Thomas was never gonna be a top center in the league or even a first line center, or that tarasenko wouldnt translate to the NHL level, or that Kyrou would never be a top line player comparing him to ty rattie? Just curious.

I believe that Dvorsky will be the 2c with in the next year or two.

[seattleblue]

Thomas Holloway Kyrou lock down half the top 6 spots and all several years under 30 years of age.

Dvorsky, Snuggerud, Carbonneau, and Neighbours are the likely competitors for the other 3 with Dvorsky being the most important to reach that potential. There are some longer shots that could develop into top 6 if we're lucky. We're looking pretty good for top 6 forwards going forward just in our own pipeline of players.

On D we've got Broberg and Lindstein as the prime candidates to lock down the top 4 on LD in the coming years. Neither a #1 but you could see both develop into #2-3 level defenseman and there are plenty of long shots on LD as well in the system that might be #3-4 type guys if we're lucky. RD is a concerning with just Mailloux at or pushing for NHL time and with CP/Faulk on the wrong side of 30. Jiricek is a huge question mark and I guess all we can do is hope he develops. Not much behind those two that we could look at as likely top 4 RDs.

Pipeline at RD and C is concerning and counting on Mailloux and Dvorsky to hit.

Everyone loves to talk about Top 6 on this board. I will give ASOG some credit. He wants to talk about Top 3. The Blues are loaded with 2nd line players. Even Thomas is a Top Tier 2C or lower end 1C. Same with D. Parakyo is an excellent second pair D as is Fowler. It’s comparable to Sonny Gray. He’s the #1 in STL, but he’s really a #2.

Let’s see how guys like Carbonneau, Dvorsky, Mailloux, Holloway and Broberg develop. I think they have the potential for that Top 3 or Top pairing. Only time will tell.

This is awesomely weak thinking on multiple levels.

First of all "low end 1C" on Thomas outright shows you can't name what you're seeing. So you can't really assess. That is why your Dvorsky take is what it is. Parayko is starting for Team Canada but he is a second pair D. Fowler (with the Blues) put up 9g, 27a in 51 regular season games then 2g 8a in 7 games ... but that is also second pairing caliber contribution?

Let's see how a 23yo who was 14th overall a few years ago and was PPG this year ... yeah let's see if that develops into anything ...

It takes someone who is this bad at talent evaluation to give credit where it's not due.

[DawgDad]

Thomas Holloway Kyrou lock down half the top 6 spots and all several years under 30 years of age.

Dvorsky, Snuggerud, Carbonneau, and Neighbours are the likely competitors for the other 3 with Dvorsky being the most important to reach that potential. There are some longer shots that could develop into top 6 if we're lucky. We're looking pretty good for top 6 forwards going forward just in our own pipeline of players.

On D we've got Broberg and Lindstein as the prime candidates to lock down the top 4 on LD in the coming years. Neither a #1 but you could see both develop into #2-3 level defenseman and there are plenty of long shots on LD as well in the system that might be #3-4 type guys if we're lucky. RD is a concerning with just Mailloux at or pushing for NHL time and with CP/Faulk on the wrong side of 30. Jiricek is a huge question mark and I guess all we can do is hope he develops. Not much behind those two that we could look at as likely top 4 RDs.

Pipeline at RD and C is concerning and counting on Mailloux and Dvorsky to hit.

Everyone loves to talk about Top 6 on this board. I will give ASOG some credit. He wants to talk about Top 3. The Blues are loaded with 2nd line players. Even Thomas is a Top Tier 2C or lower end 1C. Same with D. Parakyo is an excellent second pair D as is Fowler. It’s comparable to Sonny Gray. He’s the #1 in STL, but he’s really a #2.

Let’s see how guys like Carbonneau, Dvorsky, Mailloux, Holloway and Broberg develop. I think they have the potential for that Top 3 or Top pairing. Only time will tell.

Thomas was a 95 point center prorated to 82 games played, and with solid +/-, perhaps with even better seasons ahead. There are 32 teams, are there 31 centers better than Thomas? I think not.

I also disagree about Parayko.

Every season there are a sizable number of league leaders who do not win a Cup or reach the Finals or even get to the Conference Finals. Helps to keep in mind the Blues won a Cup and also had a 109 point season with Thomas, ROR, and Schenn as top-6 centers.

[zamadoo]

top 6 forward prospects: Snuggerudd, Dvorsky, Stenberg, Carbonneau, and maybe Stancl
23 year olds Neighbours and Holloway fit the mold as well

top 4 defensive prospects: Mailloux, Lindstein, Jiricek, and maybe Fischer/Ralph
watch out for Burns and maybe McIsaac who are likely bottom pairing potential
not ready to count out Buchinger just yet, but he'll need to flip the switch this season

[STL fan in MN]

Even Thomas is a Top Tier 2C or lower end 1C.

These are the centers that finished with a higher pts/game average than RT last season:

Draisaitl
MacKinnon
McDavid
Eichel

That’s it. Top tier 2C/lower end 1C my @$$.

[StlFanInVA]

Thomas Holloway Kyrou lock down half the top 6 spots and all several years under 30 years of age.

Dvorsky, Snuggerud, Carbonneau, and Neighbours are the likely competitors for the other 3 with Dvorsky being the most important to reach that potential. There are some longer shots that could develop into top 6 if we're lucky. We're looking pretty good for top 6 forwards going forward just in our own pipeline of players.

On D we've got Broberg and Lindstein as the prime candidates to lock down the top 4 on LD in the coming years. Neither a #1 but you could see both develop into #2-3 level defenseman and there are plenty of long shots on LD as well in the system that might be #3-4 type guys if we're lucky. RD is a concerning with just Mailloux at or pushing for NHL time and with CP/Faulk on the wrong side of 30. Jiricek is a huge question mark and I guess all we can do is hope he develops. Not much behind those two that we could look at as likely top 4 RDs.

Pipeline at RD and C is concerning and counting on Mailloux and Dvorsky to hit.

Everyone loves to talk about Top 6 on this board. I will give ASOG some credit. He wants to talk about Top 3. The Blues are loaded with 2nd line players. Even Thomas is a Top Tier 2C or lower end 1C. Same with D. Parakyo is an excellent second pair D as is Fowler. It’s comparable to Sonny Gray. He’s the #1 in STL, but he’s really a #2.

Let’s see how guys like Carbonneau, Dvorsky, Mailloux, Holloway and Broberg develop. I think they have the potential for that Top 3 or Top pairing. Only time will tell.

Please define what you think are the requirements to be a 1C and also a first D pairing. How many 1Cs and 1Ds do you think are currently playing in the NHL?

[rezero]

The problem with “categorizing” people as first or second line types, is that those titles are highly dependent on how good your roster is. None of our centers would be a center on the top 2 lines for the Oilers. Conversely we have third liners like Schenn who would be top two lines on some of the bad teams. I think a better way to classify players is based on their point potential. Relooking at our current roster who has 80+ point potential?

[aslord]

Thomas Holloway Kyrou lock down half the top 6 spots and all several years under 30 years of age.

Dvorsky, Snuggerud, Carbonneau, and Neighbours are the likely competitors for the other 3 with Dvorsky being the most important to reach that potential. There are some longer shots that could develop into top 6 if we're lucky. We're looking pretty good for top 6 forwards going forward just in our own pipeline of players.

On D we've got Broberg and Lindstein as the prime candidates to lock down the top 4 on LD in the coming years. Neither a #1 but you could see both develop into #2-3 level defenseman and there are plenty of long shots on LD as well in the system that might be #3-4 type guys if we're lucky. RD is a concerning with just Mailloux at or pushing for NHL time and with CP/Faulk on the wrong side of 30. Jiricek is a huge question mark and I guess all we can do is hope he develops. Not much behind those two that we could look at as likely top 4 RDs.

Pipeline at RD and C is concerning and counting on Mailloux and Dvorsky to hit.

Everyone loves to talk about Top 6 on this board. I will give ASOG some credit. He wants to talk about Top 3. The Blues are loaded with 2nd line players. Even Thomas is a Top Tier 2C or lower end 1C. Same with D. Parakyo is an excellent second pair D as is Fowler. It’s comparable to Sonny Gray. He’s the #1 in STL, but he’s really a #2.

Let’s see how guys like Carbonneau, Dvorsky, Mailloux, Holloway and Broberg develop. I think they have the potential for that Top 3 or Top pairing. Only time will tell.

Please define what you think are the requirements to be a 1C and also a first D pairing. How many 1Cs and 1Ds do you think are currently playing in the NHL?

I've long been a proponent for the fact that Thomas is a lower end 1C or a really high end 2C, but last year he turned the corner for me. He still has some weaknesses in his game, but he's powered beyond. I'd love to see him get a chance to play with someone beside Buchnevich though.

[Nublues69]

He is honestly top 15 in the league. No center is perfect but he wasnt drafted high we had good scouts and thomas worked hard. He is just nio entering his prime prime years. Hopefull with snuggerud he hits 100 points

[Harry S Deals]

Thomas Holloway Kyrou lock down half the top 6 spots and all several years under 30 years of age.

Dvorsky, Snuggerud, Carbonneau, and Neighbours are the likely competitors for the other 3 with Dvorsky being the most important to reach that potential. There are some longer shots that could develop into top 6 if we're lucky. We're looking pretty good for top 6 forwards going forward just in our own pipeline of players.

On D we've got Broberg and Lindstein as the prime candidates to lock down the top 4 on LD in the coming years. Neither a #1 but you could see both develop into #2-3 level defenseman and there are plenty of long shots on LD as well in the system that might be #3-4 type guys if we're lucky. RD is a concerning with just Mailloux at or pushing for NHL time and with CP/Faulk on the wrong side of 30. Jiricek is a huge question mark and I guess all we can do is hope he develops. Not much behind those two that we could look at as likely top 4 RDs.

Pipeline at RD and C is concerning and counting on Mailloux and Dvorsky to hit.

Everyone loves to talk about Top 6 on this board. I will give ASOG some credit. He wants to talk about Top 3. The Blues are loaded with 2nd line players. Even Thomas is a Top Tier 2C or lower end 1C. Same with D. Parakyo is an excellent second pair D as is Fowler. It’s comparable to Sonny Gray. He’s the #1 in STL, but he’s really a #2.

Let’s see how guys like Carbonneau, Dvorsky, Mailloux, Holloway and Broberg develop. I think they have the potential for that Top 3 or Top pairing. Only time will tell.

Please define what you think are the requirements to be a 1C and also a first D pairing. How many 1Cs and 1Ds do you think are currently playing in the NHL?

I've long been a proponent for the fact that Thomas is a lower end 1C or a really high end 2C, but last year he turned the corner for me. He still has some weaknesses in his game, but he's powered beyond. I'd love to see him get a chance to play with someone beside Buchnevich though.

I think we will see Buchy return to the PPG #1 LW status this season

[The Average Gatsby]

Thomas Holloway Kyrou lock down half the top 6 spots and all several years under 30 years of age.

Dvorsky, Snuggerud, Carbonneau, and Neighbours are the likely competitors for the other 3 with Dvorsky being the most important to reach that potential. There are some longer shots that could develop into top 6 if we're lucky. We're looking pretty good for top 6 forwards going forward just in our own pipeline of players.

On D we've got Broberg and Lindstein as the prime candidates to lock down the top 4 on LD in the coming years. Neither a #1 but you could see both develop into #2-3 level defenseman and there are plenty of long shots on LD as well in the system that might be #3-4 type guys if we're lucky. RD is a concerning with just Mailloux at or pushing for NHL time and with CP/Faulk on the wrong side of 30. Jiricek is a huge question mark and I guess all we can do is hope he develops. Not much behind those two that we could look at as likely top 4 RDs.

Pipeline at RD and C is concerning and counting on Mailloux and Dvorsky to hit.

Everyone loves to talk about Top 6 on this board. I will give ASOG some credit. He wants to talk about Top 3. The Blues are loaded with 2nd line players. Even Thomas is a Top Tier 2C or lower end 1C. Same with D. Parakyo is an excellent second pair D as is Fowler. It’s comparable to Sonny Gray. He’s the #1 in STL, but he’s really a #2.

Let’s see how guys like Carbonneau, Dvorsky, Mailloux, Holloway and Broberg develop. I think they have the potential for that Top 3 or Top pairing. Only time will tell.

Please define what you think are the requirements to be a 1C and also a first D pairing. How many 1Cs and 1Ds do you think are currently playing in the NHL?

I've long been a proponent for the fact that Thomas is a lower end 1C or a really high end 2C, but last year he turned the corner for me. He still has some weaknesses in his game, but he's powered beyond. I'd love to see him get a chance to play with someone beside Buchnevich though.

I think we will see Buchy return to the PPG #1 LW status this season

I think he’ll bounce back next season too now that the buchnevich at center experiment is over.