Serious question I wanted to ask the players...

[Jobu's Rum]

What is more important to them, going to a team with a strong chance to win it all?

Or exercising your NTC to stay with a team that has zero chance to win anything, because you feel comfy in a city

Gray, Willy, Nado...loser mentalities. No wonder this team is in the dumpster, these are supposed to be the higher paid experienced veterans??

[Futuregm2]

What is more important to them, going to a team with a strong chance to win it all?

Or exercising your NTC to stay with a team that has zero chance to win anything, because you feel comfy in a city

Gray, Willy, Nado...loser mentalities. No wonder this team is in the dumpster, these are supposed to be the higher paid experienced veterans??

Well for Nado probably nobody really wants him anymore. He’s been on a severe decline for a few years now. And his postseason experience, albeit in SSS, sucks.

For Gray, I think family is more important to him, which anyone with a family would hopefully understand. Maybe if you’re single and miserable you might not understand how that would be important, but to think that these guys are robots and without lives and people in their lives is pretty ignorant.

For Willy C, I don’t know. He’s already got one ring. He came to St. Louis for a reason and maybe even as fans give up, he hasn’t yet.

But each player is their own individual and has their own reasons.

[ramfandan]

What is more important to them, going to a team with a strong chance to win it all?

Or exercising your NTC to stay with a team that has zero chance to win anything, because you feel comfy in a city

Gray, Willy, Nado...loser mentalities. No wonder this team is in the dumpster, these are supposed to be the higher paid experienced veterans??

That is a serious question .. then let's pose that same scenario to the fans .
Which is more important ..rooting for a team that is on hard times that plays in the city where you reside and have followed because you are comfy and proud of the 'birds on the bat '
OR for the fan to start rooting for a team that has a strong chance to win the World Series , possibly hopping from team to team every so often.

[ramfandan]

What is more important to them, going to a team with a strong chance to win it all?

Or exercising your NTC to stay with a team that has zero chance to win anything, because you feel comfy in a city

Gray, Willy, Nado...loser mentalities. No wonder this team is in the dumpster, these are supposed to be the higher paid experienced veterans??

What about Andrew McCutcheon ? He played many years starting out as top draft pick of the Pirates. He did have stints with the Giants, Phillies, and the Brewers for a year but the last 3 years he returned to his Pittsburgh team where he loved playing for them and they certainly weren't going anywhere. I would not call him a loser for wanting to play in Pittsburgh Guy may make the Hall of Fame ?

[RunSup]

What is more important to them, going to a team with a strong chance to win it all?

Or exercising your NTC to stay with a team that has zero chance to win anything, because you feel comfy in a city

Gray, Willy, Nado...loser mentalities. No wonder this team is in the dumpster, these are supposed to be the higher paid experienced veterans??

That is a serious question .. then let's pose that same scenario to the fans .
Which is more important ..rooting for a team that is on hard times that plays in the city where you reside and have followed because you are comfy and proud of the 'birds on the bat '
OR for the fan to start rooting for a team that has a strong chance to win the World Series , possibly hopping from team to team every so often.

Fan #1. Passionate about the team they've committed to. The team is somehow connected to their identity. So they get aggravated and even ticked off when the team is mediocre at best, does dumb things, and seems not to care about striving for excellence. It's like the team was part of their family.

Fan #2. Probably enjoys the sport. But has not invested their identity in any team. So is able to disconnect emotionally from the teams they choose to root for at any given time.

Fan #2 is probably mentally and emotionally stable. Fan #1 may get borderline insane and should seek help.

99% of Cards Talk are Fan #1 and come here for some kind of therapy.

[ramfandan]

What is more important to them, going to a team with a strong chance to win it all?

Or exercising your NTC to stay with a team that has zero chance to win anything, because you feel comfy in a city

Gray, Willy, Nado...loser mentalities. No wonder this team is in the dumpster, these are supposed to be the higher paid experienced veterans??

That is a serious question .. then let's pose that same scenario to the fans .
Which is more important ..rooting for a team that is on hard times that plays in the city where you reside and have followed because you are comfy and proud of the 'birds on the bat '
OR for the fan to start rooting for a team that has a strong chance to win the World Series , possibly hopping from team to team every so often.

Fan #1. Passionate about the team they've committed to. The team is somehow connected to their identity. So they get aggravated and even ticked off when the team is mediocre at best, does dumb things, and seems not to care about striving for excellence. It's like the team was part of their family.

Fan #2. Probably enjoys the sport. But has not invested their identity in any team. So is able to disconnect emotionally from the teams they choose to root for at any given time.

Fan #2 is probably mentally and emotionally stable. Fan #1 may get borderline insane and should seek help.

99% of Cards Talk are Fan #1 and come here for some kind of therapy.

My wife agrees with you . She added that my therapy here though costs much less than a psychiatrist so suggests I keep seeking CT for my insanity.

[Wattage]

What is more important to them, going to a team with a strong chance to win it all?

Or exercising your NTC to stay with a team that has zero chance to win anything, because you feel comfy in a city

Gray, Willy, Nado...loser mentalities. No wonder this team is in the dumpster, these are supposed to be the higher paid experienced veterans??

Yes- staying in a city instead of moving around every year so you can establish a normal family life is more important than winning a competition to them. And people that thinks thats wrong are probably losers as husbands or fathers.

Its weird how personally and seriously some of you take baseball and other sports like this team you dont play for is whats most important to your life. Id say most fans take championships way more importantly than a most players.

[Wattage]

What is more important to them, going to a team with a strong chance to win it all?

Or exercising your NTC to stay with a team that has zero chance to win anything, because you feel comfy in a city

Gray, Willy, Nado...loser mentalities. No wonder this team is in the dumpster, these are supposed to be the higher paid experienced veterans??

That is a serious question .. then let's pose that same scenario to the fans .
Which is more important ..rooting for a team that is on hard times that plays in the city where you reside and have followed because you are comfy and proud of the 'birds on the bat '
OR for the fan to start rooting for a team that has a strong chance to win the World Series , possibly hopping from team to team every so often.

Fan #1. Passionate about the team they've committed to. The team is somehow connected to their identity. So they get aggravated and even ticked off when the team is mediocre at best, does dumb things, and seems not to care about striving for excellence. It's like the team was part of their family.

Fan #2. Probably enjoys the sport. But has not invested their identity in any team. So is able to disconnect emotionally from the teams they choose to root for at any given time.

Fan #2 is probably mentally and emotionally stable. Fan #1 may get borderline insane and should seek help.

99% of Cards Talk are Fan #1 and come here for some kind of therapy.

Very true

[Cranny]

What is more important to them, going to a team with a strong chance to win it all?

Or exercising your NTC to stay with a team that has zero chance to win anything, because you feel comfy in a city

Gray, Willy, Nado...loser mentalities. No wonder this team is in the dumpster, these are supposed to be the higher paid experienced veterans??

Kinda makes you wonder why guys like Simmons, Horton, Hrabosky, Brock, Ozzie, etc. chose to remain in St. Louis.

[OldRed]

What is more important to them, going to a team with a strong chance to win it all?

Or exercising your NTC to stay with a team that has zero chance to win anything, because you feel comfy in a city

Gray, Willy, Nado...loser mentalities. No wonder this team is in the dumpster, these are supposed to be the higher paid experienced veterans??

Kinda makes you wonder why guys like Simmons, Horton, Hrabosky, Brock, Ozzie, etc. chose to remain in St. Louis.

I didn't know any of them actually lived in St. Louis. I think you are running out of excuses to defend this organization. Do you live in St. Louis?

[Jatalk]

What is more important to them, going to a team with a strong chance to win it all?

Or exercising your NTC to stay with a team that has zero chance to win anything, because you feel comfy in a city

Gray, Willy, Nado...loser mentalities. No wonder this team is in the dumpster, these are supposed to be the higher paid experienced veterans??

Attitudes may change after season for Willy and Gray. I have to think most good athletes think they can win going into the season. Gray apparently had extra incentive to stay close to home but I think they want to win also.

Nado I have no explanation for. He had to know he was the most likely not to be in the future plans. His performance has diminished. He has to know that regardless of injuries. I think he should consider retirement.

[Jatalk]

What is more important to them, going to a team with a strong chance to win it all?

Or exercising your NTC to stay with a team that has zero chance to win anything, because you feel comfy in a city

Gray, Willy, Nado...loser mentalities. No wonder this team is in the dumpster, these are supposed to be the higher paid experienced veterans??

Kinda makes you wonder why guys like Simmons, Horton, Hrabosky, Brock, Ozzie, etc. chose to remain in St. Louis.

I’m not sure they were ever in a situation where they were not wanted like Nado. Best I remember they were on competitive teams. Ozzie was traded for in the Whitey rebuild. Some won championships. I’m not sure you’re comparing apples to apples.

[sikeston bulldog2]

What is more important to them, going to a team with a strong chance to win it all?

Or exercising your NTC to stay with a team that has zero chance to win anything, because you feel comfy in a city

Gray, Willy, Nado...loser mentalities. No wonder this team is in the dumpster, these are supposed to be the higher paid experienced veterans??

Kinda makes you wonder why guys like Simmons, Horton, Hrabosky, Brock, Ozzie, etc. chose to remain in St. Louis.

There’s been about 1000 players in STL in last thirty forty years. I bet many didn’t live there proper.

Are we confusing physically living there verse playing there. And with new technologies living afar isn’t unnormal.

[Cranny]

What is more important to them, going to a team with a strong chance to win it all?

Or exercising your NTC to stay with a team that has zero chance to win anything, because you feel comfy in a city

Gray, Willy, Nado...loser mentalities. No wonder this team is in the dumpster, these are supposed to be the higher paid experienced veterans??

Kinda makes you wonder why guys like Simmons, Horton, Hrabosky, Brock, Ozzie, etc. chose to remain in St. Louis.

I didn't know any of them actually lived in St. Louis. I think you are running out of excuses to defend this organization. Do you live in St. Louis?

Grew up in St. Louis and after college and the military moved back to St. Louis. Helped Lou Brock sell his company. Know Ted Simmons because our sons played high school football together. Know Horton because we’re on a Board together. Know the Mad Hungarian because he lived next store to one of my good friends. Never met Ozzie, but used to go to his restaurant.

[OldRed]

What is more important to them, going to a team with a strong chance to win it all?

Or exercising your NTC to stay with a team that has zero chance to win anything, because you feel comfy in a city

Gray, Willy, Nado...loser mentalities. No wonder this team is in the dumpster, these are supposed to be the higher paid experienced veterans??

Kinda makes you wonder why guys like Simmons, Horton, Hrabosky, Brock, Ozzie, etc. chose to remain in St. Louis.

I didn't know any of them actually lived in St. Louis. I think you are running out of excuses to defend this organization. Do you live in St. Louis?

Grew up in St. Louis and after college and the military moved back to St. Louis. Helped Lou Brock sell his company. Know Ted Simmons because our sons played high school football together. Know Horton because we’re on a Board together. Know the Mad Hungarian because he lived next store to one of my good friends. Never met Ozzie, but used to go to his restaurant.

I believe you have confused living in St. Louis (the city) and St. Louis (the county) which is a very large suburban area. Are you also including St. Charles County which is ranked the best county in Missouri to live in. All the other stuff you are talking about has nothing to do with who has remained in the St. Louis County area. You are still running of excuses defending this ownership. If it makes you feel any better, that's your choice. I've met all the players you just mentioned and many more in my active years of doing collectable shows in St. Louis. But it really doesn't mean a thing, it was just an enjoyable experience.

[Cranny]

What is more important to them, going to a team with a strong chance to win it all?

Or exercising your NTC to stay with a team that has zero chance to win anything, because you feel comfy in a city

Gray, Willy, Nado...loser mentalities. No wonder this team is in the dumpster, these are supposed to be the higher paid experienced veterans??

Kinda makes you wonder why guys like Simmons, Horton, Hrabosky, Brock, Ozzie, etc. chose to remain in St. Louis.

I didn't know any of them actually lived in St. Louis. I think you are running out of excuses to defend this organization. Do you live in St. Louis?

Grew up in St. Louis and after college and the military moved back to St. Louis. Helped Lou Brock sell his company. Know Ted Simmons because our sons played high school football together. Know Horton because we’re on a Board together. Know the Mad Hungarian because he lived next store to one of my good friends. Never met Ozzie, but used to go to his restaurant.

I believe you have confused living in St. Louis (the city) and St. Louis (the county) which is a very large suburban area. Are you also including St. Charles County which is ranked the best county in Missouri to live in. All the other stuff you are talking about has nothing to do with who has remained in the St. Louis County area. You are still running of excuses defending this ownership. If it makes you feel any better, that's your choice. I've met all the players you just mentioned and many more in my active years of doing collectable shows in St. Louis. But it really doesn't mean a thing, it was just an enjoyable experience.

It means that St. Louis is a good place to raise a family, and many players stay here after their playing days are over. And when I say St. Louis, I’m of course referring to the entire St. Louis area. Yadie used to live over in Illinois.