Noot, Burly and Donny - what were they worth vs. E. Suarez, W. Castro, etc. ?

[ClassicO]

I keep reading that we should have traded Noot, Donny, or Burly. What do folks think those trades would have generated in return compared to other deals? Many of the guys traded were on expiring contracts, but amazingly, none garnered a Top 100 MLB prospect. Only three Top 100 were traded, two (#56 and #94) for J. Duran and #3 overall in the Miller/Sears deal.
Say what you want about the prospects' rank on the particular trading team, but when they are not in the Top 100, they aren't likely future stars.

1. E. Suarez to Mariners and D-backs got Locklear (MLB Pipeline’s No. 9 Mariners prospect), Cranton (No. 16) and Burgos (No. 17). None were in the July 2025 MLB Top 100.

2. Cedric Mullens for Mets' #14 and #30 prospects and another JAG - none MLB Top 100. Mullins' good defense in CF and 15HR, 49 RBI, 14 SB but bad avg.

3. O'Hearn (13 HR, 135 OPS+) and Laureano (15 HR, 145 OPS+) traded to Pads for 6 prospects, but none in MLB Top 100.

4. Willi Castro for Cubs 30th prospect and a JAG. No Top 100.

5. Naylor for Mariner's #13 and #16, but neither were Top 100.

[Futuregm2]

I think it’s pretty clear that teams were willing to give up more for closers than regular position players, which I think is interesting.

I mean a rental closer not having his best year nets a top 10 prospect and 2 13-20 prospects, while a rental 3B with an OPS near .900 and 36 HR nets a No. 9 prospect and 2 mid 15-20 prospects.

And it’s especially interesting when that closer probably won’t even be used as a closer for the team that got him.

[rockondlouie]

I'm glad they held on to Noot, Donny, and Burly.

This gives C. Bloom a few months to evaluate them fully since he now appears to be running the show (I'd bet he had final say on the trades).

Then he can use the winter trading season to cull overcrowded positions and decide who he wants to keep moving forward.

And those returns you listed C.O., other than a few, were all a bunch of "Meh".......... JAG's.

[ClassicO]

I think it’s pretty clear that teams were willing to give up more for closers than regular position players, which I think is interesting.

I mean a rental closer not having his best year nets a top 10 prospect and 2 13-20 prospects, while a rental 3B with an OPS near .900 and 36 HR nets a No. 9 prospect and 2 mid 15-20 prospects.

And it’s especially interesting when that closer probably won’t even be used as a closer for the team that got him.

The closer - and set-up- market was nuts.
Not a good year to have a struggling Helsley in the mix.

[ClassicO]

I'm glad they held on to Noot, Donny, and Burly.

This gives C. Bloom a few months to evaluate them fully since he now appears to be running the show (I'd bet he had final say on the trades).

Then he can use the winter trading season to cull overcrowded positions and decide who he wants to keep moving forward.

And those returns you listed C.O., other than a few, were all a bunch of "Meh".......... JAG's.

Agree. And that's what Mo said in his Woo article: unless they were knocked over with an offer, this was Bloom's call in the off-season.

[rockondlouie]

I'm glad they held on to Noot, Donny, and Burly.

This gives C. Bloom a few months to evaluate them fully since he now appears to be running the show (I'd bet he had final say on the trades).

Then he can use the winter trading season to cull overcrowded positions and decide who he wants to keep moving forward.

And those returns you listed C.O., other than a few, were all a bunch of "Meh".......... JAG's.

Agree. And that's what Mo said in his Woo article: unless they were knocked over with an offer, this was Bloom's call in the off-season.

Yep

Glad to read that after the false info we were feed yesterday that he "wasn't even listening" to offers that made no sense.

[Cusecards]

I'm glad they held on to Noot, Donny, and Burly.

This gives C. Bloom a few months to evaluate them fully since he now appears to be running the show (I'd bet he had final say on the trades).

Then he can use the winter trading season to cull overcrowded positions and decide who he wants to keep moving forward.

And those returns you listed C.O., other than a few, were all a bunch of "Meh".......... JAG's.

The offseason will present many more possibilities than the deadline.
And they should have some $$ to spend especially if they can somehow manage to move Arenado.

[rockondlouie]

I'm glad they held on to Noot, Donny, and Burly.

This gives C. Bloom a few months to evaluate them fully since he now appears to be running the show (I'd bet he had final say on the trades).

Then he can use the winter trading season to cull overcrowded positions and decide who he wants to keep moving forward.

And those returns you listed C.O., other than a few, were all a bunch of "Meh".......... JAG's.

The offseason will present many more possibilities than the deadline.
And they should have some $$ to spend especially if they can somehow manage to move Arenado.

Absolutely

They'd have MORE money to spend if they can trade NADO.

But BDWJr better already be willing to give C. Bloom no less than a $165M payroll.

[craviduce]

I'm glad they held on to Noot, Donny, and Burly.

This gives C. Bloom a few months to evaluate them fully since he now appears to be running the show (I'd bet he had final say on the trades).

Then he can use the winter trading season to cull overcrowded positions and decide who he wants to keep moving forward.

And those returns you listed C.O., other than a few, were all a bunch of "Meh".......... JAG's.

The offseason will present many more possibilities than the deadline.
And they should have some $$ to spend especially if they can somehow manage to move Arenado.

Absolutely

They'd have MORE money to spend if they can trade NADO.

But BDWJr better already be willing to give C. Bloom no less than a $165M payroll.

Why should he give no less than $165million payroll?

[imadangman]

Maybe the offseason will be a better time for some straight across need-for-need baseball trades. They need to figure out how to turn a position player into a MLB starting pitcher like they did when they traded Edman for Fedde.

[Futuregm2]

Maybe the offseason will be a better time for some straight across need-for-need baseball trades. They need to figure out how to turn a position player into a MLB starting pitcher like they did when they traded Edman for Fedde.

I hope they shoot for a better pitcher than a guy that goes 5-15 with a 4.69 ERA though.

[rockondlouie]

I'm glad they held on to Noot, Donny, and Burly.

This gives C. Bloom a few months to evaluate them fully since he now appears to be running the show (I'd bet he had final say on the trades).

Then he can use the winter trading season to cull overcrowded positions and decide who he wants to keep moving forward.

And those returns you listed C.O., other than a few, were all a bunch of "Meh".......... JAG's.

The offseason will present many more possibilities than the deadline.
And they should have some $$ to spend especially if they can somehow manage to move Arenado.

Absolutely

They'd have MORE money to spend if they can trade NADO.

But BDWJr better already be willing to give C. Bloom no less than a $165M payroll.

Why should he give no less than $165million payroll?

I'm from the school that say's Bloom can walk (build a strong farm system that develops quality players) and chew gum (still compete in 2026 for a playoff spot) at the same time in 2026.

That's why he needs no less than a $165M payroll, to fill in the holes we can't fill from within.

I'm NOT in the non-compete camp for four-five years, play all young players, finish under .500 and sell off players every year for more prospects.

How's that worked out for the Pirates? A's? Rockies? ect..........

Not the way I'm built duce, not the way I want to see this malaise continue once Mo/Oli are gone.

JMO

[Futuregm2]

I'm glad they held on to Noot, Donny, and Burly.

This gives C. Bloom a few months to evaluate them fully since he now appears to be running the show (I'd bet he had final say on the trades).

Then he can use the winter trading season to cull overcrowded positions and decide who he wants to keep moving forward.

And those returns you listed C.O., other than a few, were all a bunch of "Meh".......... JAG's.

The offseason will present many more possibilities than the deadline.
And they should have some $$ to spend especially if they can somehow manage to move Arenado.

Absolutely

They'd have MORE money to spend if they can trade NADO.

But BDWJr better already be willing to give C. Bloom no less than a $165M payroll.

Why should he give no less than $165million payroll?

I'm from the school that say's Bloom can walk (build a strong farm system that develops quality players) and chew gum (still compete in 2026 for a playoff spot) at the same time in 2026.

That's why he needs no less than a $165M payroll, to fill in the holes we can't fill from within.

I'm NOT in the non-compete camp for four-five years, play all young players, finish under .500 and sell off players every year for more prospects.

How's that worked out for the Pirates? A's? Rockies? ect..........

Not the way I'm built duce, not the way I want to see this malaise continue once Mo/Oli are gone.

JMO

Since 2000 the A’s have as many 95+ win teams (6) as we do (6). What I would call elite teams.

We’ve been able to do more with less. A’s have struggled to make it out of the first round whole time. We’ve struggled to get out of the first round since 2015.

[imadangman]

Maybe the offseason will be a better time for some straight across need-for-need baseball trades. They need to figure out how to turn a position player into a MLB starting pitcher like they did when they traded Edman for Fedde.

I hope they shoot for a better pitcher than a guy that goes 5-15 with a 4.69 ERA though.

Yeah, I didn't think I needed to say that part

[rockondlouie]

I'm glad they held on to Noot, Donny, and Burly.

This gives C. Bloom a few months to evaluate them fully since he now appears to be running the show (I'd bet he had final say on the trades).

Then he can use the winter trading season to cull overcrowded positions and decide who he wants to keep moving forward.

And those returns you listed C.O., other than a few, were all a bunch of "Meh".......... JAG's.

The offseason will present many more possibilities than the deadline.
And they should have some $$ to spend especially if they can somehow manage to move Arenado.

Absolutely

They'd have MORE money to spend if they can trade NADO.

But BDWJr better already be willing to give C. Bloom no less than a $165M payroll.

Why should he give no less than $165million payroll?

I'm from the school that say's Bloom can walk (build a strong farm system that develops quality players) and chew gum (still compete in 2026 for a playoff spot) at the same time in 2026.

That's why he needs no less than a $165M payroll, to fill in the holes we can't fill from within.

I'm NOT in the non-compete camp for four-five years, play all young players, finish under .500 and sell off players every year for more prospects.

How's that worked out for the Pirates? A's? Rockies? ect..........

Not the way I'm built duce, not the way I want to see this malaise continue once Mo/Oli are gone.

JMO

Since 2000 the A’s have as many 95+ win teams (6) as we do (6). What I would call elite teams.

We’ve been able to do more with less. A’s have struggled to make it out of the first round whole time. We’ve struggled to get out of the first round since 2015.

25 years, wow quite a time frame there, let's keep it to a relevant time period.

A's Since 2020:
36-24 (covid)
86 -76
60-102
50-112
69-93
48-63 (70 -92 projected)

[RunSup]

Thanks for the thread. Good discussion all.

I'd add Walker, Gorman, Herrera, Saggese to Donny, Burly and Noot as trade candidates. You can twist my arm and add Winn and Scott though i want defense up the middle.

Pages and Pozo can also go. And there's always Nados contract that they should just eat. Any position player on the roster without an NTC.

Bloom really should be open for business. Logan at first base, LF, DH should be cleared.

They have enough hit tool with opportunistic power developing to piece together a competitive offense going forward.

Still need a good defense. But,...

I really want a good starting pitching prospect or 2 near the majors.

Even Shady found Yesavage in Toronto's org yesterday. We know him from the 2024 draft. 3 plus pitches with a 4th one developing. Profiles to a good #3 in the rotation. Heck yeah, I'll take him. He's #2 in Blue Jays top 30 and #50 in MLB pipeline across the majors. Pitched at 3 levels this year and just settling into AA.

I'm not saying he's the target. But that kind of prospect would be great to add.

If Bloom can transform our glut into something useable, awesome. These are HR moves.