Will they have to DFA Arenado eventually

[imadangman]

I have a hard time believing Arenado can last on this roster through 2027. It's very clear he's in decline. He has an OPS+ of 88 at 3rd base, and seems to be losing mobility. Did anyone see him running home last night from 2nd base. You can't have Gorman, Wetherholt, Arenado, Donovan, all on this roster.

The Cardinals surely are going to have an uphill battle trading him. Does anyone know how much money teams are expecting the Cardinals to cover? Is it possible teams are expecting us to cover the whole thing? He looks like a salary dump or a player you'd have to attach to a prospect to move.

What are the odds the Cardinals eventually have to just DFA him, anytime between now and when the contract is up?

BDW probably wouldn't want to swallow the sunken cost yet. If they have to DFA him it probably wouldn't happen until mid-2026 I bet, after more possible failed attempts to trade him.

[Youboughtit]

I have a hard time believing Arenado can last on this roster through 2027. It's very clear he's in decline. He has an OPS+ of 88 at 3rd base, and seems to be losing mobility. Did anyone see him running home last night from 2nd base. You can't have Gorman, Wetherholt, Arenado, Donovan, all on this roster.

The Cardinals surely are going to have an uphill battle trading him. Does anyone know how much money teams are expecting the Cardinals to cover? Is it possible teams are expecting us to cover the whole thing? He looks like a salary dump or a player you'd have to attach to a prospect to move.

What are the odds the Cardinals eventually have to just DFA him, anytime between now and when the contract is up?

BDW probably wouldn't want to swallow the sunken cost yet. If they have to DFA him it probably wouldn't happen until mid-2026 I bet, after more possible failed attempts to trade him.

$ always plays for this team. They do not eat contracts. Donovan plays LF. Gorman plays a horrible 3B. Move on from one or 2 of Gorman, Noot, Burleson. Walker.

[imadangman]

I have a hard time believing Arenado can last on this roster through 2027. It's very clear he's in decline. He has an OPS+ of 88 at 3rd base, and seems to be losing mobility. Did anyone see him running home last night from 2nd base. You can't have Gorman, Wetherholt, Arenado, Donovan, all on this roster.

The Cardinals surely are going to have an uphill battle trading him. Does anyone know how much money teams are expecting the Cardinals to cover? Is it possible teams are expecting us to cover the whole thing? He looks like a salary dump or a player you'd have to attach to a prospect to move.

What are the odds the Cardinals eventually have to just DFA him, anytime between now and when the contract is up?

BDW probably wouldn't want to swallow the sunken cost yet. If they have to DFA him it probably wouldn't happen until mid-2026 I bet, after more possible failed attempts to trade him.

Yes you can. Donovan plays LF. Gorman plays a horrible 3B. Move on from one or 2 of Gorman, Noot, Burleson. Walker.

They might well move on from some of those players, but the reason shouldn't have anything to do with Arenado's presence on the roster.

Right now I'd play both Gorman and Walker before Arenado, so at least you can look to the future. If Gorman is bad at 3B, play him at 2nd and Wetherholt at 3B.

[Youboughtit]

I have a hard time believing Arenado can last on this roster through 2027. It's very clear he's in decline. He has an OPS+ of 88 at 3rd base, and seems to be losing mobility. Did anyone see him running home last night from 2nd base. You can't have Gorman, Wetherholt, Arenado, Donovan, all on this roster.

The Cardinals surely are going to have an uphill battle trading him. Does anyone know how much money teams are expecting the Cardinals to cover? Is it possible teams are expecting us to cover the whole thing? He looks like a salary dump or a player you'd have to attach to a prospect to move.

What are the odds the Cardinals eventually have to just DFA him, anytime between now and when the contract is up?

BDW probably wouldn't want to swallow the sunken cost yet. If they have to DFA him it probably wouldn't happen until mid-2026 I bet, after more possible failed attempts to trade him.

Yes you can. Donovan plays LF. Gorman plays a horrible 3B. Move on from one or 2 of Gorman, Noot, Burleson. Walker.

They might well move on from some of those players, but the reason shouldn't have anything to do with Arenado's presence on the roster.

Right now I'd play both Gorman and Walker before Arenado, so at least you can look to the future. If Gorman is bad at 3B, play him at 2nd and Wetherholt at 3B.

Gorman is a DH. That’s the problem. This team really has 3 DH only guys in Burleson Hererra and Gorman. Not to mention the OF problem when Donovan moves to LF. I think 2 of Burleson Donovan Gorman Walker or Nootbar need to go because 4 of that group will be forced to the bench next season.

[Basil Shabazz]

He’s not going to get better in my opinion. The inevitable is we eat the whole contract for a lottery ticket, he gets DFAd, or we get so good offensively at 7 other spots that he can bat 8th and play lockdown defense at 3B

[MIDMOBIRDTWO]

I have a hard time believing Arenado can last on this roster through 2027. It's very clear he's in decline. He has an OPS+ of 88 at 3rd base, and seems to be losing mobility. Did anyone see him running home last night from 2nd base. You can't have Gorman, Wetherholt, Arenado, Donovan, all on this roster.

The Cardinals surely are going to have an uphill battle trading him. Does anyone know how much money teams are expecting the Cardinals to cover? Is it possible teams are expecting us to cover the whole thing? He looks like a salary dump or a player you'd have to attach to a prospect to move.

What are the odds the Cardinals eventually have to just DFA him, anytime between now and when the contract is up?

BDW probably wouldn't want to swallow the sunken cost yet. If they have to DFA him it probably wouldn't happen until mid-2026 I bet, after more possible failed attempts to trade him.

Yes you can. Donovan plays LF. Gorman plays a horrible 3B. Move on from one or 2 of Gorman, Noot, Burleson. Walker.

They might well move on from some of those players, but the reason shouldn't have anything to do with Arenado's presence on the roster.

Right now I'd play both Gorman and Walker before Arenado, so at least you can look to the future. If Gorman is bad at 3B, play him at 2nd and Wetherholt at 3B.

I don't think Gorman has played enough third base to tell if he can handle it. Arenado has not taken off many days.

[45s]

They may not have a choice….unless they are content with a dead spot on the roster….

[Youboughtit]

I have a hard time believing Arenado can last on this roster through 2027. It's very clear he's in decline. He has an OPS+ of 88 at 3rd base, and seems to be losing mobility. Did anyone see him running home last night from 2nd base. You can't have Gorman, Wetherholt, Arenado, Donovan, all on this roster.

The Cardinals surely are going to have an uphill battle trading him. Does anyone know how much money teams are expecting the Cardinals to cover? Is it possible teams are expecting us to cover the whole thing? He looks like a salary dump or a player you'd have to attach to a prospect to move.

What are the odds the Cardinals eventually have to just DFA him, anytime between now and when the contract is up?

BDW probably wouldn't want to swallow the sunken cost yet. If they have to DFA him it probably wouldn't happen until mid-2026 I bet, after more possible failed attempts to trade him.

Yes you can. Donovan plays LF. Gorman plays a horrible 3B. Move on from one or 2 of Gorman, Noot, Burleson. Walker.

They might well move on from some of those players, but the reason shouldn't have anything to do with Arenado's presence on the roster.

Right now I'd play both Gorman and Walker before Arenado, so at least you can look to the future. If Gorman is bad at 3B, play him at 2nd and Wetherholt at 3B.

I don't think Gorman has played enough third base to tell if he can handle it. Arenado has not taken off many days.

Almost all of his minors was at 3B and one of the reasons they moved him. He did have a .936 fielding % with a strong arm but lack of range was an issue. -3 DRS.

[imadangman]

I have a hard time believing Arenado can last on this roster through 2027. It's very clear he's in decline. He has an OPS+ of 88 at 3rd base, and seems to be losing mobility. Did anyone see him running home last night from 2nd base. You can't have Gorman, Wetherholt, Arenado, Donovan, all on this roster.

The Cardinals surely are going to have an uphill battle trading him. Does anyone know how much money teams are expecting the Cardinals to cover? Is it possible teams are expecting us to cover the whole thing? He looks like a salary dump or a player you'd have to attach to a prospect to move.

What are the odds the Cardinals eventually have to just DFA him, anytime between now and when the contract is up?

BDW probably wouldn't want to swallow the sunken cost yet. If they have to DFA him it probably wouldn't happen until mid-2026 I bet, after more possible failed attempts to trade him.

Yes you can. Donovan plays LF. Gorman plays a horrible 3B. Move on from one or 2 of Gorman, Noot, Burleson. Walker.

They might well move on from some of those players, but the reason shouldn't have anything to do with Arenado's presence on the roster.

Right now I'd play both Gorman and Walker before Arenado, so at least you can look to the future. If Gorman is bad at 3B, play him at 2nd and Wetherholt at 3B.

I don't think Gorman has played enough third base to tell if he can handle it. Arenado has not taken off many days.

That's a good point. Looking at B-R, he does have bold numbers on double plays and fielding percentage. +dWar on Fangraphs. There's value there. But is he going to maintain his defense through the entire contract?

If it's not because of Gorman, it would simply be because he gets to a point where he's not providing any value regardless of who the replacement is going to be.

[Mort Gage]

I have a hard time believing Arenado can last on this roster through 2027. It's very clear he's in decline. He has an OPS+ of 88 at 3rd base, and seems to be losing mobility. Did anyone see him running home last night from 2nd base. You can't have Gorman, Wetherholt, Arenado, Donovan, all on this roster.

The Cardinals surely are going to have an uphill battle trading him. Does anyone know how much money teams are expecting the Cardinals to cover? Is it possible teams are expecting us to cover the whole thing? He looks like a salary dump or a player you'd have to attach to a prospect to move.

What are the odds the Cardinals eventually have to just DFA him, anytime between now and when the contract is up?

BDW probably wouldn't want to swallow the sunken cost yet. If they have to DFA him it probably wouldn't happen until mid-2026 I bet, after more possible failed attempts to trade him.

$ always plays for this team. They do not eat contracts. Donovan plays LF. Gorman plays a horrible 3B. Move on from one or 2 of Gorman, Noot, Burleson. Walker.

The Cardinals threw 17mm to the Mariners in the Mike Leake trade. I could see them letting go of Arenado after '26 since he would only have 15mm plus deferred money due.

[Basil Shabazz]

I have a hard time believing Arenado can last on this roster through 2027. It's very clear he's in decline. He has an OPS+ of 88 at 3rd base, and seems to be losing mobility. Did anyone see him running home last night from 2nd base. You can't have Gorman, Wetherholt, Arenado, Donovan, all on this roster.

The Cardinals surely are going to have an uphill battle trading him. Does anyone know how much money teams are expecting the Cardinals to cover? Is it possible teams are expecting us to cover the whole thing? He looks like a salary dump or a player you'd have to attach to a prospect to move.

What are the odds the Cardinals eventually have to just DFA him, anytime between now and when the contract is up?

BDW probably wouldn't want to swallow the sunken cost yet. If they have to DFA him it probably wouldn't happen until mid-2026 I bet, after more possible failed attempts to trade him.

Yes you can. Donovan plays LF. Gorman plays a horrible 3B. Move on from one or 2 of Gorman, Noot, Burleson. Walker.

They might well move on from some of those players, but the reason shouldn't have anything to do with Arenado's presence on the roster.

Right now I'd play both Gorman and Walker before Arenado, so at least you can look to the future. If Gorman is bad at 3B, play him at 2nd and Wetherholt at 3B.

I don't think Gorman has played enough third base to tell if he can handle it. Arenado has not taken off many days.

Almost all of his minors was at 3B and one of the reasons they moved him.

He was moved because Nado was at 3B when Gorman arrived.

If you don’t know the truth, it’s better to be silent than to lie.

[imadangman]

I have a hard time believing Arenado can last on this roster through 2027. It's very clear he's in decline. He has an OPS+ of 88 at 3rd base, and seems to be losing mobility. Did anyone see him running home last night from 2nd base. You can't have Gorman, Wetherholt, Arenado, Donovan, all on this roster.

The Cardinals surely are going to have an uphill battle trading him. Does anyone know how much money teams are expecting the Cardinals to cover? Is it possible teams are expecting us to cover the whole thing? He looks like a salary dump or a player you'd have to attach to a prospect to move.

What are the odds the Cardinals eventually have to just DFA him, anytime between now and when the contract is up?

BDW probably wouldn't want to swallow the sunken cost yet. If they have to DFA him it probably wouldn't happen until mid-2026 I bet, after more possible failed attempts to trade him.

Yes you can. Donovan plays LF. Gorman plays a horrible 3B. Move on from one or 2 of Gorman, Noot, Burleson. Walker.

They might well move on from some of those players, but the reason shouldn't have anything to do with Arenado's presence on the roster.

Right now I'd play both Gorman and Walker before Arenado, so at least you can look to the future. If Gorman is bad at 3B, play him at 2nd and Wetherholt at 3B.

Gorman is a DH. That’s the problem. This team really has 3 DH only guys in Burleson Hererra and Gorman. Not to mention the OF problem when Donovan moves to LF. I think 2 of Burleson Donovan Gorman Walker or Nootbar need to go because 4 of that group will be forced to the bench next season.

Well the Cardinals certainly don't seem like they'd be inclined to pursue deals for Burleson or Herrera does it. I guess they do have some problems to sort out with the DH. I'd put Burleson in the category of you trade him if someone wants to overpay.

I like the way Mo said that there were "several players" drawing interest from other teams. He's probably not lying. I think he's probably doing a good job of leaving the door open, keeping mystique about who is available. That way, with all the merchandise we have, we might discover one team that covets one of our particular pieces of merchandise more than the rest of the market. Maybe even for a player he wasn't planning to move initially.

[renostl]

I have a hard time believing Arenado can last on this roster through 2027. It's very clear he's in decline. He has an OPS+ of 88 at 3rd base, and seems to be losing mobility. Did anyone see him running home last night from 2nd base. You can't have Gorman, Wetherholt, Arenado, Donovan, all on this roster.

The Cardinals surely are going to have an uphill battle trading him. Does anyone know how much money teams are expecting the Cardinals to cover? Is it possible teams are expecting us to cover the whole thing? He looks like a salary dump or a player you'd have to attach to a prospect to move.

What are the odds the Cardinals eventually have to just DFA him, anytime between now and when the contract is up?

BDW probably wouldn't want to swallow the sunken cost yet. If they have to DFA him it probably wouldn't happen until mid-2026 I bet, after more possible failed attempts to trade him.

Similar OPS+ as his last season in CO

I fully accept that he's aged. I also think he's less of
a player with pressure. Pressure like attempting to be a better player in order to be attractive enough for a trade.

[imadangman]

I have a hard time believing Arenado can last on this roster through 2027. It's very clear he's in decline. He has an OPS+ of 88 at 3rd base, and seems to be losing mobility. Did anyone see him running home last night from 2nd base. You can't have Gorman, Wetherholt, Arenado, Donovan, all on this roster.

The Cardinals surely are going to have an uphill battle trading him. Does anyone know how much money teams are expecting the Cardinals to cover? Is it possible teams are expecting us to cover the whole thing? He looks like a salary dump or a player you'd have to attach to a prospect to move.

What are the odds the Cardinals eventually have to just DFA him, anytime between now and when the contract is up?

BDW probably wouldn't want to swallow the sunken cost yet. If they have to DFA him it probably wouldn't happen until mid-2026 I bet, after more possible failed attempts to trade him.

Similar OPS+ as his last season in CO

I fully accept that he's aged. I also think he's less of
a player with pressure. Pressure like attempting to be a better player in order to be attractive enough for a trade.

That's a good point. Compared to the last 2 seasons he seems more accepting of where he is in his career. Or maybe I just made that up.

[renostl]

I have a hard time believing Arenado can last on this roster through 2027. It's very clear he's in decline. He has an OPS+ of 88 at 3rd base, and seems to be losing mobility. Did anyone see him running home last night from 2nd base. You can't have Gorman, Wetherholt, Arenado, Donovan, all on this roster.

The Cardinals surely are going to have an uphill battle trading him. Does anyone know how much money teams are expecting the Cardinals to cover? Is it possible teams are expecting us to cover the whole thing? He looks like a salary dump or a player you'd have to attach to a prospect to move.

What are the odds the Cardinals eventually have to just DFA him, anytime between now and when the contract is up?

BDW probably wouldn't want to swallow the sunken cost yet. If they have to DFA him it probably wouldn't happen until mid-2026 I bet, after more possible failed attempts to trade him.

Yes you can. Donovan plays LF. Gorman plays a horrible 3B. Move on from one or 2 of Gorman, Noot, Burleson. Walker.

They might well move on from some of those players, but the reason shouldn't have anything to do with Arenado's presence on the roster.

Right now I'd play both Gorman and Walker before Arenado, so at least you can look to the future. If Gorman is bad at 3B, play him at 2nd and Wetherholt at 3B.

Gorman is a DH. That’s the problem. This team really has 3 DH only guys in Burleson Hererra and Gorman. Not to mention the OF problem when Donovan moves to LF. I think 2 of Burleson Donovan Gorman Walker or Nootbar need to go because 4 of that group will be forced to the bench next season.

Well the Cardinals certainly don't seem like they'd be inclined to pursue deals for Burleson or Herrera does it. I guess they do have some problems to sort out with the DH. I'd put Burleson in the category of you trade him if someone wants to overpay.

I like the way Mo said that there were "several players" drawing interest from other teams. He's probably not lying. I think he's probably doing a good job of leaving the door open, keeping mystique about who is available. That way, with all the merchandise we have, we might discover one team that covets one of our particular pieces of merchandise more than the rest of the market. Maybe even for a player he wasn't planning to move initially.

Is overpay objective or subjective?

[brock118]

I have a hard time believing Arenado can last on this roster through 2027. It's very clear he's in decline. He has an OPS+ of 88 at 3rd base, and seems to be losing mobility. Did anyone see him running home last night from 2nd base. You can't have Gorman, Wetherholt, Arenado, Donovan, all on this roster.

The Cardinals surely are going to have an uphill battle trading him. Does anyone know how much money teams are expecting the Cardinals to cover? Is it possible teams are expecting us to cover the whole thing? He looks like a salary dump or a player you'd have to attach to a prospect to move.

What are the odds the Cardinals eventually have to just DFA him, anytime between now and when the contract is up?

BDW probably wouldn't want to swallow the sunken cost yet. If they have to DFA him it probably wouldn't happen until mid-2026 I bet, after more possible failed attempts to trade him.

$ always plays for this team. They do not eat contracts. Donovan plays LF. Gorman plays a horrible 3B. Move on from one or 2 of Gorman, Noot, Burleson. Walker.

The Cardinals threw 17mm to the Mariners in the Mike Leake trade. I could see them letting go of Arenado after '26 since he would only have 15mm plus deferred money due.

They paid like $13 million to the Angels for Fowler, they ate the contract of Jhonny Peralta too.