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Posted: **23 Jul 2025 20:55 pm**

Supposedly the reason he wasn’t traded to the Yankees this off season was because the Yankees wanted the Cardinals to accept Marcus Stroman as part of the deal. Of course, Mo and DeWitt wanted no part of Stro’s contract and the deal never happened. Stroman hasn’t been good this year and has been injured, however, if the Yankees would still take Arenado, plus one or two of our relievers, would/should the Cardinals make that deal now, “ if “ they also get a good prospect as well as Stroman?

Posted: **23 Jul 2025 21:49 pm**

Hoosier59 wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 20:55 pm Supposedly the reason he wasn’t traded to the Yankees this off season was because the Yankees wanted the Cardinals to accept Marcus Stroman as part of the deal. Of course, Mo and DeWitt wanted no part of Stro’s contract and the deal never happened. Stroman hasn’t been good this year and has been injured, however, if the Yankees would still take Arenado, plus one or two of our relievers, would/should the Cardinals make that deal now, “ if “ they also get a good prospect as well as Stroman?

Turn the table. Trade them Helsley but force them to take Arenado as part of the deal.

Posted: **23 Jul 2025 21:52 pm**

Jatalk wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 21:49 pm
Hoosier59 wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 20:55 pm Supposedly the reason he wasn’t traded to the Yankees this off season was because the Yankees wanted the Cardinals to accept Marcus Stroman as part of the deal. Of course, Mo and DeWitt wanted no part of Stro’s contract and the deal never happened. Stroman hasn’t been good this year and has been injured, however, if the Yankees would still take Arenado, plus one or two of our relievers, would/should the Cardinals make that deal now, “ if “ they also get a good prospect as well as Stroman?
Turn the table. Trade them Helsley but force them to take Arenado as part of the deal.

Good tactic ! Put the ball in their court ! Whether it happens or not , you get an A for creative thinking on the deal .

Posted: **23 Jul 2025 22:17 pm**

ramfandan wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 21:52 pm
Jatalk wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 21:49 pm
Hoosier59 wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 20:55 pm Supposedly the reason he wasn’t traded to the Yankees this off season was because the Yankees wanted the Cardinals to accept Marcus Stroman as part of the deal. Of course, Mo and DeWitt wanted no part of Stro’s contract and the deal never happened. Stroman hasn’t been good this year and has been injured, however, if the Yankees would still take Arenado, plus one or two of our relievers, would/should the Cardinals make that deal now, “ if “ they also get a good prospect as well as Stroman?
Turn the table. Trade them Helsley but force them to take Arenado as part of the deal.
Good tactic ! Put the ball in their court ! Whether it happens or not , you get an A for creative thinking on the deal .

I also appreciate your creative approach, however, I’m afraid that bundling Nado into the deal would greatly decrease the return we would get for Helsley by himself.

Posted: **23 Jul 2025 22:20 pm**

BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 22:17 pm
ramfandan wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 21:52 pm
Jatalk wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 21:49 pm
Hoosier59 wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 20:55 pm Supposedly the reason he wasn’t traded to the Yankees this off season was because the Yankees wanted the Cardinals to accept Marcus Stroman as part of the deal. Of course, Mo and DeWitt wanted no part of Stro’s contract and the deal never happened. Stroman hasn’t been good this year and has been injured, however, if the Yankees would still take Arenado, plus one or two of our relievers, would/should the Cardinals make that deal now, “ if “ they also get a good prospect as well as Stroman?
Turn the table. Trade them Helsley but force them to take Arenado as part of the deal.
Good tactic ! Put the ball in their court ! Whether it happens or not , you get an A for creative thinking on the deal .
I also appreciate your creative approach, however, I’m afraid that bundling Nado into the deal would greatly decrease the return we would get for Helsley by himself.

Ding ding ding! Winner!

Posted: **24 Jul 2025 03:58 am**

Wouldn’t the Yankees want an offensive upgrade? Not a guy with a 92 OPS+ and .290 OBP

Posted: **24 Jul 2025 07:09 am**

Miles for Stroman and a prospect

Posted: **24 Jul 2025 07:14 am**

Jatalk wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 21:49 pm
Hoosier59 wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 20:55 pm Supposedly the reason he wasn’t traded to the Yankees this off season was because the Yankees wanted the Cardinals to accept Marcus Stroman as part of the deal. Of course, Mo and DeWitt wanted no part of Stro’s contract and the deal never happened. Stroman hasn’t been good this year and has been injured, however, if the Yankees would still take Arenado, plus one or two of our relievers, would/should the Cardinals make that deal now, “ if “ they also get a good prospect as well as Stroman?
Turn the table. Trade them Helsley but force them to take Arenado as part of the deal.

I would see what the cardinals could get for the relievers first by themselves because of you attach helsely to Arenado you arent getting a good return for him

Posted: **24 Jul 2025 07:17 am**

BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 22:17 pm
ramfandan wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 21:52 pm
Jatalk wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 21:49 pm
Hoosier59 wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 20:55 pm Supposedly the reason he wasn’t traded to the Yankees this off season was because the Yankees wanted the Cardinals to accept Marcus Stroman as part of the deal. Of course, Mo and DeWitt wanted no part of Stro’s contract and the deal never happened. Stroman hasn’t been good this year and has been injured, however, if the Yankees would still take Arenado, plus one or two of our relievers, would/should the Cardinals make that deal now, “ if “ they also get a good prospect as well as Stroman?
Turn the table. Trade them Helsley but force them to take Arenado as part of the deal.
Good tactic ! Put the ball in their court ! Whether it happens or not , you get an A for creative thinking on the deal .
I also appreciate your creative approach, however, I’m afraid that bundling Nado into the deal would greatly decrease the return we would get for Helsley by himself.

I would argue it is more important in some ways to dump Arenado vs return on Helsley. With JJ coming up and Sagesse the infield is clogged.

Posted: **24 Jul 2025 07:24 am**

The Dodgers are probably willing to overpay on Helsley. OK, let's see how much they are willing to return.

The Yankees defense is a big issue. Arenado could help them with that. Trading off NA before the deadline should be a Cardinal priority, and they should find a way to get that done. If that means packaging another player with him, ok. If that means taking back Stroman as part of the deal, at least consider it if you can't find better alternatives.

Posted: **24 Jul 2025 07:25 am**

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑24 Jul 2025 07:14 am
Jatalk wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 21:49 pm
Hoosier59 wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 20:55 pm Supposedly the reason he wasn’t traded to the Yankees this off season was because the Yankees wanted the Cardinals to accept Marcus Stroman as part of the deal. Of course, Mo and DeWitt wanted no part of Stro’s contract and the deal never happened. Stroman hasn’t been good this year and has been injured, however, if the Yankees would still take Arenado, plus one or two of our relievers, would/should the Cardinals make that deal now, “ if “ they also get a good prospect as well as Stroman?
Turn the table. Trade them Helsley but force them to take Arenado as part of the deal.
I would see what the cardinals could get for the relievers first by themselves because of you attach helsely to Arenado you arent getting a good return for him

With JJ and Sagesse in the wings it may be worth to free up the 3rd base spot. Secondly I’m not sure what return we get for Helsley. He is a rental. Not quite as good as last year. Certainly need to add prospects but unclogging the infield has value also.

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