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So Marmol is actually running Mikolas back out there

Posted: 23 Jul 2025 17:17 pm
by Shady
Against a San Diego starter who has a 10 wins, two losses record with a 2.81 ERA. The circus continues.

Re: So Marmol is actually running Mikolas back out there

Posted: 23 Jul 2025 17:25 pm
by craviduce
Shady wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:17 pm Against a San Diego starter who has a 10 wins, two losses record with a 2.81 ERA. The circus continues.
you have to have pitchers who can throw a lot of innings start a game. We let Fedde go, McGreevy replaces him.

There's no one left in the cupboard to replace Mikolas. Too many injured pitchers or underperforming pitchers.

So...Mikolas pitches.

Not really a circus. It's necessity

Re: So Marmol is actually running Mikolas back out there

Posted: 23 Jul 2025 17:40 pm
by Shady
craviduce wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:25 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:17 pm Against a San Diego starter who has a 10 wins, two losses record with a 2.81 ERA. The circus continues.
you have to have pitchers who can throw a lot of innings start a game. We let Fedde go, McGreevy replaces him.

There's no one left in the cupboard to replace Mikolas. Too many injured pitchers or underperforming pitchers.

So...Mikolas pitches.

Not really a circus. It's necessity
Matz could have a gotten the start with proper planning. They really need Mathews and Roby to get ready, pronto.

Re: So Marmol is actually running Mikolas back out there

Posted: 23 Jul 2025 17:43 pm
by AtillaTheBlue1
Shady wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:17 pm Against a San Diego starter who has a 10 wins, two losses record with a 2.81 ERA. The circus continues.
You will follow what the Mo'ron and BDW family say, or they will fire you, like Schildt.

Contracts >>>>>>>>>>>>talent

Re: So Marmol is actually running Mikolas back out there

Posted: 23 Jul 2025 17:44 pm
by AtillaTheBlue1
might as well make him throw innings.

Re: So Marmol is actually running Mikolas back out there

Posted: 23 Jul 2025 17:46 pm
by craviduce
Shady wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:40 pm
craviduce wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:25 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:17 pm Against a San Diego starter who has a 10 wins, two losses record with a 2.81 ERA. The circus continues.
you have to have pitchers who can throw a lot of innings start a game. We let Fedde go, McGreevy replaces him.

There's no one left in the cupboard to replace Mikolas. Too many injured pitchers or underperforming pitchers.

So...Mikolas pitches.

Not really a circus. It's necessity
Matz could have a gotten the start with proper planning. They really need Mathews and Roby to get ready, pronto.
Mathews...yes, I agree. But his fastball command is off. Roby, as you know, is 1) on the IL, and 2) having his innings carefully monitored b/c he hasn't been over 50 IP in nearly 3 years....and he's well over 50 now.

R O B Y isn't in the equation right now...for "obvious reasons"

Re: So Marmol is actually running Mikolas back out there

Posted: 23 Jul 2025 17:49 pm
by Shady
craviduce wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:46 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:40 pm
craviduce wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:25 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:17 pm Against a San Diego starter who has a 10 wins, two losses record with a 2.81 ERA. The circus continues.
you have to have pitchers who can throw a lot of innings start a game. We let Fedde go, McGreevy replaces him.

There's no one left in the cupboard to replace Mikolas. Too many injured pitchers or underperforming pitchers.

So...Mikolas pitches.

Not really a circus. It's necessity
Matz could have a gotten the start with proper planning. They really need Mathews and Roby to get ready, pronto.
Mathews...yes, I agree. But his fastball command is off. Roby, as you know, is 1) on the IL, and 2) having his innings carefully monitored b/c he hasn't been over 50 IP in nearly 3 years....and he's well over 50 now.

R O B Y isn't in the equation right now...for "obvious reasons"
From what I've read, the Cardinals are enamored by Roby's electric stuff. I understand why they are cautious.

Re: So Marmol is actually running Mikolas back out there

Posted: 23 Jul 2025 17:51 pm
by riff raff
Shady wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:49 pm
craviduce wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:46 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:40 pm
craviduce wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:25 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:17 pm Against a San Diego starter who has a 10 wins, two losses record with a 2.81 ERA. The circus continues.
you have to have pitchers who can throw a lot of innings start a game. We let Fedde go, McGreevy replaces him.

There's no one left in the cupboard to replace Mikolas. Too many injured pitchers or underperforming pitchers.

So...Mikolas pitches.

Not really a circus. It's necessity
Matz could have a gotten the start with proper planning. They really need Mathews and Roby to get ready, pronto.
Mathews...yes, I agree. But his fastball command is off. Roby, as you know, is 1) on the IL, and 2) having his innings carefully monitored b/c he hasn't been over 50 IP in nearly 3 years....and he's well over 50 now.

R O B Y isn't in the equation right now...for "obvious reasons"
From what I've read, the Cardinals are enamored by Roby's electric stuff. I understand why they are cautious.
If Roby were in a system with pitching depth he would be kicking rocks

Re: So Marmol is actually running Mikolas back out there

Posted: 23 Jul 2025 17:52 pm
by NYCardsFan
craviduce wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:46 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:40 pm
craviduce wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:25 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:17 pm Against a San Diego starter who has a 10 wins, two losses record with a 2.81 ERA. The circus continues.
you have to have pitchers who can throw a lot of innings start a game. We let Fedde go, McGreevy replaces him.

There's no one left in the cupboard to replace Mikolas. Too many injured pitchers or underperforming pitchers.

So...Mikolas pitches.

Not really a circus. It's necessity
Matz could have a gotten the start with proper planning. They really need Mathews and Roby to get ready, pronto.
Mathews...yes, I agree. But his fastball command is off. Roby, as you know, is 1) on the IL, and 2) having his innings carefully monitored b/c he hasn't been over 50 IP in nearly 3 years....and he's well over 50 now.

R O B Y isn't in the equation right now...for "obvious reasons"
Two words: Roddery Munoz.

Re: So Marmol is actually running Mikolas back out there

Posted: 23 Jul 2025 17:53 pm
by Shady
NYCardsFan wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:52 pm
craviduce wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:46 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:40 pm
craviduce wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:25 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:17 pm Against a San Diego starter who has a 10 wins, two losses record with a 2.81 ERA. The circus continues.
you have to have pitchers who can throw a lot of innings start a game. We let Fedde go, McGreevy replaces him.

There's no one left in the cupboard to replace Mikolas. Too many injured pitchers or underperforming pitchers.

So...Mikolas pitches.

Not really a circus. It's necessity
Matz could have a gotten the start with proper planning. They really need Mathews and Roby to get ready, pronto.
Mathews...yes, I agree. But his fastball command is off. Roby, as you know, is 1) on the IL, and 2) having his innings carefully monitored b/c he hasn't been over 50 IP in nearly 3 years....and he's well over 50 now.

R O B Y isn't in the equation right now...for "obvious reasons"
Two words: Roddery Munoz.
Actually, considering the current situation, you might be right.

Re: So Marmol is actually running Mikolas back out there

Posted: 23 Jul 2025 17:58 pm
by craviduce
Shady wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:53 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:52 pm
craviduce wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:46 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:40 pm
craviduce wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:25 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:17 pm Against a San Diego starter who has a 10 wins, two losses record with a 2.81 ERA. The circus continues.
you have to have pitchers who can throw a lot of innings start a game. We let Fedde go, McGreevy replaces him.

There's no one left in the cupboard to replace Mikolas. Too many injured pitchers or underperforming pitchers.

So...Mikolas pitches.

Not really a circus. It's necessity
Matz could have a gotten the start with proper planning. They really need Mathews and Roby to get ready, pronto.
Mathews...yes, I agree. But his fastball command is off. Roby, as you know, is 1) on the IL, and 2) having his innings carefully monitored b/c he hasn't been over 50 IP in nearly 3 years....and he's well over 50 now.

R O B Y isn't in the equation right now...for "obvious reasons"
Two words: Roddery Munoz.
Actually, considering the current situation, you might be right.
how would they manage that? Would be the same secret Stretch Out Planning that they should've used for Matz? :roll:

They would need to get around his inability to not suck after his 2nd out. Can that be done?

Re: So Marmol is actually running Mikolas back out there

Posted: 23 Jul 2025 18:01 pm
by Shady
craviduce wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:58 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:53 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:52 pm
craviduce wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:46 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:40 pm
craviduce wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:25 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:17 pm Against a San Diego starter who has a 10 wins, two losses record with a 2.81 ERA. The circus continues.
you have to have pitchers who can throw a lot of innings start a game. We let Fedde go, McGreevy replaces him.

There's no one left in the cupboard to replace Mikolas. Too many injured pitchers or underperforming pitchers.

So...Mikolas pitches.

Not really a circus. It's necessity
Matz could have a gotten the start with proper planning. They really need Mathews and Roby to get ready, pronto.
Mathews...yes, I agree. But his fastball command is off. Roby, as you know, is 1) on the IL, and 2) having his innings carefully monitored b/c he hasn't been over 50 IP in nearly 3 years....and he's well over 50 now.

R O B Y isn't in the equation right now...for "obvious reasons"
Two words: Roddery Munoz.
Actually, considering the current situation, you might be right.
how would they manage that? Would be the same secret Stretch Out Planning that they should've used for Matz? :roll:

They would need to get around his inability to not suck after his 2nd out. Can that be done?
So what's your solution? The only thing you've offered if giving Mikolas another start. That's truly brilliant.

Re: So Marmol is actually running Mikolas back out there

Posted: 23 Jul 2025 18:04 pm
by sdaltons
Here's the situation. McGreevey is a natural replacement for one SP and that one, it turns out, is Fedde.

Mikolas has to go as well but who do you replace him with? There's no depth and there hasn't been for awhile.

You can scream "bullpen start" all you want (and that includes Matz as a solution), but part of the issue is the guys we count on to eat innings aren't and there aren't enough seats on the Memphis Shuttle. We need someone to help keep innings away from the bullpen, not just guarantee them 9 in a game.

Re: So Marmol is actually running Mikolas back out there

Posted: 23 Jul 2025 18:05 pm
by craviduce
Shady wrote: 23 Jul 2025 18:01 pm
craviduce wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:58 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:53 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:52 pm
craviduce wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:46 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:40 pm
craviduce wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:25 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:17 pm Against a San Diego starter who has a 10 wins, two losses record with a 2.81 ERA. The circus continues.
you have to have pitchers who can throw a lot of innings start a game. We let Fedde go, McGreevy replaces him.

There's no one left in the cupboard to replace Mikolas. Too many injured pitchers or underperforming pitchers.

So...Mikolas pitches.

Not really a circus. It's necessity
Matz could have a gotten the start with proper planning. They really need Mathews and Roby to get ready, pronto.
Mathews...yes, I agree. But his fastball command is off. Roby, as you know, is 1) on the IL, and 2) having his innings carefully monitored b/c he hasn't been over 50 IP in nearly 3 years....and he's well over 50 now.

R O B Y isn't in the equation right now...for "obvious reasons"
Two words: Roddery Munoz.
Actually, considering the current situation, you might be right.
how would they manage that? Would be the same secret Stretch Out Planning that they should've used for Matz? :roll:

They would need to get around his inability to not suck after his 2nd out. Can that be done?
So what's your solution? The only thing you've offered if giving Mikolas another start.
and I explained why...they probably need to get throw away players back on trades that can start innings...we only need 5 or 6 starts covered to end the season....probably watch the waiver wire.

Unless Ian Bedell is the second coming of Christ during his rehab, we have to use Mikolas....for now. You can't pen hopes on a AAA reliever who couldn't cut it as a starter last year, nor can you pen hopes on Roby for the two reasons I stated, but you refuse to accept. The IL is a real thing...and 7 Day IL in the minors doesn't mean it's toe nail

Re: So Marmol is actually running Mikolas back out there

Posted: 23 Jul 2025 18:06 pm
by Shady
craviduce wrote: 23 Jul 2025 18:05 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Jul 2025 18:01 pm
craviduce wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:58 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:53 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:52 pm
craviduce wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:46 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:40 pm
craviduce wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:25 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:17 pm Against a San Diego starter who has a 10 wins, two losses record with a 2.81 ERA. The circus continues.
you have to have pitchers who can throw a lot of innings start a game. We let Fedde go, McGreevy replaces him.

There's no one left in the cupboard to replace Mikolas. Too many injured pitchers or underperforming pitchers.

So...Mikolas pitches.

Not really a circus. It's necessity
Matz could have a gotten the start with proper planning. They really need Mathews and Roby to get ready, pronto.
Mathews...yes, I agree. But his fastball command is off. Roby, as you know, is 1) on the IL, and 2) having his innings carefully monitored b/c he hasn't been over 50 IP in nearly 3 years....and he's well over 50 now.

R O B Y isn't in the equation right now...for "obvious reasons"
Two words: Roddery Munoz.
Actually, considering the current situation, you might be right.
how would they manage that? Would be the same secret Stretch Out Planning that they should've used for Matz? :roll:

They would need to get around his inability to not suck after his 2nd out. Can that be done?
So what's your solution? The only thing you've offered if giving Mikolas another start.
and I explained why...they probably need to get throw away players back on trades that can start innings...we only need 5 or 6 starts covered to end the season....probably watch the waiver wire.

Unless Ian Bedell is the second coming of Christ during his rehab, we have to use Mikolas....for now. You can't pen hopes on a AAA reliever who couldn't cut it as a starter last year, nor can you pen hopes on Roby for the two reasons I stated, but you refuse to accept. The IL is a real thing...and 7 Day IL in the minors doesn't mean it's toe nail
Sorry, that's not very enlightening.

Re: So Marmol is actually running Mikolas back out there

Posted: 23 Jul 2025 18:08 pm
by riff raff
Shady wrote: 23 Jul 2025 18:06 pm
craviduce wrote: 23 Jul 2025 18:05 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Jul 2025 18:01 pm
craviduce wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:58 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:53 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:52 pm
craviduce wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:46 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:40 pm
craviduce wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:25 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Jul 2025 17:17 pm Against a San Diego starter who has a 10 wins, two losses record with a 2.81 ERA. The circus continues.
you have to have pitchers who can throw a lot of innings start a game. We let Fedde go, McGreevy replaces him.

There's no one left in the cupboard to replace Mikolas. Too many injured pitchers or underperforming pitchers.

So...Mikolas pitches.

Not really a circus. It's necessity
Matz could have a gotten the start with proper planning. They really need Mathews and Roby to get ready, pronto.
Mathews...yes, I agree. But his fastball command is off. Roby, as you know, is 1) on the IL, and 2) having his innings carefully monitored b/c he hasn't been over 50 IP in nearly 3 years....and he's well over 50 now.

R O B Y isn't in the equation right now...for "obvious reasons"
Two words: Roddery Munoz.
Actually, considering the current situation, you might be right.
how would they manage that? Would be the same secret Stretch Out Planning that they should've used for Matz? :roll:

They would need to get around his inability to not suck after his 2nd out. Can that be done?
So what's your solution? The only thing you've offered if giving Mikolas another start.
and I explained why...they probably need to get throw away players back on trades that can start innings...we only need 5 or 6 starts covered to end the season....probably watch the waiver wire.

Unless Ian Bedell is the second coming of Christ during his rehab, we have to use Mikolas....for now. You can't pen hopes on a AAA reliever who couldn't cut it as a starter last year, nor can you pen hopes on Roby for the two reasons I stated, but you refuse to accept. The IL is a real thing...and 7 Day IL in the minors doesn't mean it's toe nail
Sorry, that's not very enlightening.
That's because your skull has a lead lining