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Bully4you wrote: ↑15 Jul 2025 14:28 pm This seems weird to me.
Shouldn't this pick be given the best grade.
I mean Doyle was consistently mocked to
go in the top 2 and the Cards ended up getting
the possible best SLH pitcher at pick 5.
Instead, he says the following:

First Round (No. 5 Overall): Liam Doyle, LHP, Tennessee," Reuter said. "MLB Comp: Robbie Ray. After flashing swing-and-miss stuff at Coastal Carolina (56.1 IP, 4.15 ERA, 69 K) and Ole Miss (55.0 IP, 5.73 ERA, 84 K), Doyle joined his third team when he transferred to Tennessee where he was college baseball's biggest breakout star. Leaning heavily on a high-octane fastball that touches 100 mph and blows hitters away up the zone, he posted a 3.20 ERA, 0.99 WHIP and 164 strikeouts in 95.2 innings.

"A max-effort delivery and his lagging secondary stuff raises some legitimate reliever questions, but a fastball like his from the left side does not come along often. Grade: B. The predraft expectation was that Doyle would be gone and the Cardinals would be picking between Jamie Arnold or someone from the prep shortstop class. Instead they get the most overpowering pitcher in college baseball this year, though there is some risk here."

Isn't there risk with every pick.
The #1 pick went to a kid that's
17 years old.
I just don't understand that assessment.
I'd call it a A grade all day.

ClassicO wrote: ↑15 Jul 2025 14:44 pm This dude is from Bleacher Report. Say no more. They dot have hiring standards.
His job prior to that was a sales associate at Ace Hardware per LinkedIn. (“Not that there’s anything wrong with that.”)
Don’t worry; be happy, with Doyle.

craviduce wrote: ↑15 Jul 2025 14:50 pm

ClassicO wrote: ↑15 Jul 2025 14:44 pm This dude is from Bleacher Report. Say no more. They dot have hiring standards.
His job prior to that was a sales associate at Ace Hardware per LinkedIn. (“Not that there’s anything wrong with that.”)
Don’t worry; be happy, with Doyle.

I think B is fitting, there's not many "A" in this draft. You can argue 4, but it's more like 3 with a boat load of "B's"

I think Bleacher Report is a joke, as well, and they're full of extreme bias....but the "B" grade is proper. And I'm not offended by it.

ClassicO wrote: ↑15 Jul 2025 14:55 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑15 Jul 2025 14:50 pm

ClassicO wrote: ↑15 Jul 2025 14:44 pm This dude is from Bleacher Report. Say no more. They dot have hiring standards.
His job prior to that was a sales associate at Ace Hardware per LinkedIn. (“Not that there’s anything wrong with that.”)
Don’t worry; be happy, with Doyle.

I think B is fitting, there's not many "A" in this draft. You can argue 4, but it's more like 3 with a boat load of "B's"

I think Bleacher Report is a joke, as well, and they're full of extreme bias....but the "B" grade is proper. And I'm not offended by it.

I certainly don't know. I haven't seen him pitch much, and most of the discussion has been around staying healthy with his atypical delivery and his other pitches beyond the fastball. I don't give a crab's rear end what they grade him -- only how he performs.

Bully4you wrote: ↑15 Jul 2025 14:28 pm This seems weird to me.
Shouldn't this pick be given the best grade.
I mean Doyle was consistently mocked to
go in the top 2 and the Cards ended up getting
the possible best SLH pitcher at pick 5.
Instead, he says the following:

First Round (No. 5 Overall): Liam Doyle, LHP, Tennessee," Reuter said. "MLB Comp: Robbie Ray. After flashing swing-and-miss stuff at Coastal Carolina (56.1 IP, 4.15 ERA, 69 K) and Ole Miss (55.0 IP, 5.73 ERA, 84 K), Doyle joined his third team when he transferred to Tennessee where he was college baseball's biggest breakout star. Leaning heavily on a high-octane fastball that touches 100 mph and blows hitters away up the zone, he posted a 3.20 ERA, 0.99 WHIP and 164 strikeouts in 95.2 innings.

"A max-effort delivery and his lagging secondary stuff raises some legitimate reliever questions, but a fastball like his from the left side does not come along often. Grade: B. The predraft expectation was that Doyle would be gone and the Cardinals would be picking between Jamie Arnold or someone from the prep shortstop class. Instead they get the most overpowering pitcher in college baseball this year, though there is some risk here."

Isn't there risk with every pick.
The #1 pick went to a kid that's
17 years old.
I just don't understand that assessment.
I'd call it a A grade all day.

ClassicO wrote: ↑15 Jul 2025 14:55 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑15 Jul 2025 14:50 pm

ClassicO wrote: ↑15 Jul 2025 14:44 pm This dude is from Bleacher Report. Say no more. They dot have hiring standards.
His job prior to that was a sales associate at Ace Hardware per LinkedIn. (“Not that there’s anything wrong with that.”)
Don’t worry; be happy, with Doyle.

I think B is fitting, there's not many "A" in this draft. You can argue 4, but it's more like 3 with a boat load of "B's"

I think Bleacher Report is a joke, as well, and they're full of extreme bias....but the "B" grade is proper. And I'm not offended by it.

I certainly don't know. I haven't seen him pitch much, and most of the discussion has been around staying healthy with his atypical delivery and his other pitches beyond the fastball. I don't give a crab's rear end what they grade him -- only how he performs.

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑15 Jul 2025 17:58 pm

Bully4you wrote: ↑15 Jul 2025 14:28 pm This seems weird to me.
Shouldn't this pick be given the best grade.
I mean Doyle was consistently mocked to
go in the top 2 and the Cards ended up getting
the possible best SLH pitcher at pick 5.
Instead, he says the following:

First Round (No. 5 Overall): Liam Doyle, LHP, Tennessee," Reuter said. "MLB Comp: Robbie Ray. After flashing swing-and-miss stuff at Coastal Carolina (56.1 IP, 4.15 ERA, 69 K) and Ole Miss (55.0 IP, 5.73 ERA, 84 K), Doyle joined his third team when he transferred to Tennessee where he was college baseball's biggest breakout star. Leaning heavily on a high-octane fastball that touches 100 mph and blows hitters away up the zone, he posted a 3.20 ERA, 0.99 WHIP and 164 strikeouts in 95.2 innings.

"A max-effort delivery and his lagging secondary stuff raises some legitimate reliever questions, but a fastball like his from the left side does not come along often. Grade: B. The predraft expectation was that Doyle would be gone and the Cardinals would be picking between Jamie Arnold or someone from the prep shortstop class. Instead they get the most overpowering pitcher in college baseball this year, though there is some risk here."

Isn't there risk with every pick.
The #1 pick went to a kid that's
17 years old.
I just don't understand that assessment.
I'd call it a A grade all day.

No secondary pitch...red flag. Reading is hard. Was predicted to go 8th and Cards picked him 5th

HOUCARD wrote: ↑15 Jul 2025 18:04 pm

ClassicO wrote: ↑15 Jul 2025 14:55 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑15 Jul 2025 14:50 pm

ClassicO wrote: ↑15 Jul 2025 14:44 pm This dude is from Bleacher Report. Say no more. They dot have hiring standards.
His job prior to that was a sales associate at Ace Hardware per LinkedIn. (“Not that there’s anything wrong with that.”)
Don’t worry; be happy, with Doyle.

I think B is fitting, there's not many "A" in this draft. You can argue 4, but it's more like 3 with a boat load of "B's"

I think Bleacher Report is a joke, as well, and they're full of extreme bias....but the "B" grade is proper. And I'm not offended by it.

I certainly don't know. I haven't seen him pitch much, and most of the discussion has been around staying healthy with his atypical delivery and his other pitches beyond the fastball. I don't give a crab's rear end what they grade him -- only how he performs.

When no one can catch up to your FB, who needs secondary pitches (college kids). Can't teach velocity. One can teach offspeed offerings. JMHO.

Red7 wrote: ↑15 Jul 2025 18:29 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑15 Jul 2025 17:58 pm

Bully4you wrote: ↑15 Jul 2025 14:28 pm This seems weird to me.
Shouldn't this pick be given the best grade.
I mean Doyle was consistently mocked to
go in the top 2 and the Cards ended up getting
the possible best SLH pitcher at pick 5.
Instead, he says the following:

First Round (No. 5 Overall): Liam Doyle, LHP, Tennessee," Reuter said. "MLB Comp: Robbie Ray. After flashing swing-and-miss stuff at Coastal Carolina (56.1 IP, 4.15 ERA, 69 K) and Ole Miss (55.0 IP, 5.73 ERA, 84 K), Doyle joined his third team when he transferred to Tennessee where he was college baseball's biggest breakout star. Leaning heavily on a high-octane fastball that touches 100 mph and blows hitters away up the zone, he posted a 3.20 ERA, 0.99 WHIP and 164 strikeouts in 95.2 innings.

"A max-effort delivery and his lagging secondary stuff raises some legitimate reliever questions, but a fastball like his from the left side does not come along often. Grade: B. The predraft expectation was that Doyle would be gone and the Cardinals would be picking between Jamie Arnold or someone from the prep shortstop class. Instead they get the most overpowering pitcher in college baseball this year, though there is some risk here."

Isn't there risk with every pick.
The #1 pick went to a kid that's
17 years old.
I just don't understand that assessment.
I'd call it a A grade all day.

No secondary pitch...red flag. Reading is hard. Was predicted to go 8th and Cards picked him 5th

He has a pretty good secondary pitch: his splitter. What he lacks right now is a breaking ball that he throws consistently. It came down, I think, to Doyle and Arnold. I believe the thinking is Doyle has the higher upside while Arnold is more polished now. The Cardinals have gone the more polished route in the past and it really hasn’t worked out. The one thing the Tampa and Cleveland organizations know how to do and that is to develop pitching. That’s the background of Bloom and Cerfelio (sp).

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑15 Jul 2025 17:58 pm

Bully4you wrote: ↑15 Jul 2025 14:28 pm This seems weird to me.
Shouldn't this pick be given the best grade.
I mean Doyle was consistently mocked to
go in the top 2 and the Cards ended up getting
the possible best SLH pitcher at pick 5.
Instead, he says the following:

First Round (No. 5 Overall): Liam Doyle, LHP, Tennessee," Reuter said. "MLB Comp: Robbie Ray. After flashing swing-and-miss stuff at Coastal Carolina (56.1 IP, 4.15 ERA, 69 K) and Ole Miss (55.0 IP, 5.73 ERA, 84 K), Doyle joined his third team when he transferred to Tennessee where he was college baseball's biggest breakout star. Leaning heavily on a high-octane fastball that touches 100 mph and blows hitters away up the zone, he posted a 3.20 ERA, 0.99 WHIP and 164 strikeouts in 95.2 innings.

"A max-effort delivery and his lagging secondary stuff raises some legitimate reliever questions, but a fastball like his from the left side does not come along often. Grade: B. The predraft expectation was that Doyle would be gone and the Cardinals would be picking between Jamie Arnold or someone from the prep shortstop class. Instead they get the most overpowering pitcher in college baseball this year, though there is some risk here."

Isn't there risk with every pick.
The #1 pick went to a kid that's
17 years old.
I just don't understand that assessment.
I'd call it a A grade all day.

No secondary pitch...red flag. Reading is hard. Was predicted to go 8th and Cards picked him 5th

Bully4you wrote: ↑15 Jul 2025 14:28 pm This seems weird to me.
Shouldn't this pick be given the best grade.
I mean Doyle was consistently mocked to
go in the top 2 and the Cards ended up getting
the possible best SLH pitcher at pick 5.
Instead, he says the following:

First Round (No. 5 Overall): Liam Doyle, LHP, Tennessee," Reuter said. "MLB Comp: Robbie Ray. After flashing swing-and-miss stuff at Coastal Carolina (56.1 IP, 4.15 ERA, 69 K) and Ole Miss (55.0 IP, 5.73 ERA, 84 K), Doyle joined his third team when he transferred to Tennessee where he was college baseball's biggest breakout star. Leaning heavily on a high-octane fastball that touches 100 mph and blows hitters away up the zone, he posted a 3.20 ERA, 0.99 WHIP and 164 strikeouts in 95.2 innings.

"A max-effort delivery and his lagging secondary stuff raises some legitimate reliever questions, but a fastball like his from the left side does not come along often. Grade: B. The predraft expectation was that Doyle would be gone and the Cardinals would be picking between Jamie Arnold or someone from the prep shortstop class. Instead they get the most overpowering pitcher in college baseball this year, though there is some risk here."

Isn't there risk with every pick.
The #1 pick went to a kid that's
17 years old.
I just don't understand that assessment.
I'd call it a A grade all day.