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Most talk on Doyle naturally but did Cards also get the steal of the draft ?

Posted: 14 Jul 2025 23:06 pm
by ramfandan
https://redbirdrants.com/mlb-network-la ... -the-draft

MLB sure liked him. Though a reliever some think the 6-5, 225 lb pitcher will get first look as potential starter. Grade 70 fastball is nice to start

Re: Most talk on Doyle naturally but did Cards also get the steal of the draft ?

Posted: 14 Jul 2025 23:15 pm
by bfib
I love that they took some power pitchers. Hopefully it pans out

Re: Most talk on Doyle naturally but did Cards also get the steal of the draft ?

Posted: 15 Jul 2025 06:31 am
by HorseTrader
I think his floor and ceiling are as high as Doyles. If he's stayed at Tenn, he would been a starter the coming season

Re: Most talk on Doyle naturally but did Cards also get the steal of the draft ?

Posted: 15 Jul 2025 08:11 am
by billybaseball
Tennessee's coach was on 101espn yesterday. He said they had to completely remake him when he came to campus. Completely reworked everything starting with his fastball and his secondary pitches didn't get much focus. That's how he went from 20%bb to 5%bb. Said it was the right thing longterm for him but it probably hurt his draft value because of how underdeveloped his secondaries were. He would have been their 1 or 2 starter next year. If the Cardinals can get his secondary pitches worked out then he has ace ceiling. His fastball looks like it teleports when it's on.

Re: Most talk on Doyle naturally but did Cards also get the steal of the draft ?

Posted: 15 Jul 2025 08:14 am
by Bully4you
Someone mentioned the Cards took him way
too early.
I cannot remember who it was.
Opinions all over the place.
I'd say they had one hell of a draft.

Re: Most talk on Doyle naturally but did Cards also get the steal of the draft ?

Posted: 15 Jul 2025 08:25 am
by Melville
ramfandan wrote: 14 Jul 2025 23:06 pm https://redbirdrants.com/mlb-network-la ... -the-draft

MLB sure liked him. Though a reliever some think the 6-5, 225 lb pitcher will get first look as potential starter. Grade 70 fastball is nice to start
He is a high risk / high reward pick was who selected above rank.
Great fastball with command issues on his secondary pitches.
Equal chance of being steal and bust.
The pick which most interests me is Mitchell, SS drafted as an outfielder.
The outfield has been a disaster for the Cardinals for the past decade, and his 60 grade hit tool is something the organization really needed to add to its system.

Re: Most talk on Doyle naturally but did Cards also get the steal of the draft ?

Posted: 15 Jul 2025 08:35 am
by Red7
Melville wrote: 15 Jul 2025 08:25 am
ramfandan wrote: 14 Jul 2025 23:06 pm https://redbirdrants.com/mlb-network-la ... -the-draft

MLB sure liked him. Though a reliever some think the 6-5, 225 lb pitcher will get first look as potential starter. Grade 70 fastball is nice to start
He is a high risk / high reward pick was who selected above rank.
Great fastball with command issues on his secondary pitches.
Equal chance of being steal and bust.
The pick which most interests me is Mitchell, SS drafted as an outfielder.
The outfield has been a disaster for the Cardinals for the past decade, and his 60 grade hit tool is something the organization really needed to add to its system.
Mitchell is an Alec Burlinson, Erich Church, Brendan Donovan, Chase Davis, Matt Koperniak, hitter: Left-handed with limited power potential. Along with their 3rd round pick, they are well-stocked in that department.

Re: Most talk on Doyle naturally but did Cards also get the steal of the draft ?

Posted: 15 Jul 2025 08:51 am
by moose-and-squirrel
billybaseball wrote: 15 Jul 2025 08:11 am Tennessee's coach was on 101espn yesterday. He said they had to completely remake him when he came to campus. Completely reworked everything starting with his fastball and his secondary pitches didn't get much focus. That's how he went from 20%bb to 5%bb. Said it was the right thing longterm for him but it probably hurt his draft value because of how underdeveloped his secondaries were. He would have been their 1 or 2 starter next year. If the Cardinals can get his secondary pitches worked out then he has ace ceiling. His fastball looks like it teleports when it's on.
sounds like STL should be trying to hire some of those TENN coaches to put into our system

Re: Most talk on Doyle naturally but did Cards also get the steal of the draft ?

Posted: 15 Jul 2025 08:52 am
by Melville
Red7 wrote: 15 Jul 2025 08:35 am
Melville wrote: 15 Jul 2025 08:25 am
ramfandan wrote: 14 Jul 2025 23:06 pm https://redbirdrants.com/mlb-network-la ... -the-draft

MLB sure liked him. Though a reliever some think the 6-5, 225 lb pitcher will get first look as potential starter. Grade 70 fastball is nice to start
He is a high risk / high reward pick was who selected above rank.
Great fastball with command issues on his secondary pitches.
Equal chance of being steal and bust.
The pick which most interests me is Mitchell, SS drafted as an outfielder.
The outfield has been a disaster for the Cardinals for the past decade, and his 60 grade hit tool is something the organization really needed to add to its system.
Mitchell is an Alec Burlinson, Erich Church, Brendan Donovan, Chase Davis, Matt Koperniak, hitter: Left-handed with limited power potential. Along with their 3rd round pick, they are well-stocked in that department.
Two from your list are not like the others...

Re: Most talk on Doyle naturally but did Cards also get the steal of the draft ?

Posted: 15 Jul 2025 08:56 am
by rockondlouie
100+ mph

SEC Pitcher

KO Machine

I'd say we got a potential jewel, thanks Nats and Halos!

Re: Most talk on Doyle naturally but did Cards also get the steal of the draft ?

Posted: 15 Jul 2025 09:00 am
by billybaseball
moose-and-squirrel wrote: 15 Jul 2025 08:51 am
billybaseball wrote: 15 Jul 2025 08:11 am Tennessee's coach was on 101espn yesterday. He said they had to completely remake him when he came to campus. Completely reworked everything starting with his fastball and his secondary pitches didn't get much focus. That's how he went from 20%bb to 5%bb. Said it was the right thing longterm for him but it probably hurt his draft value because of how underdeveloped his secondaries were. He would have been their 1 or 2 starter next year. If the Cardinals can get his secondary pitches worked out then he has ace ceiling. His fastball looks like it teleports when it's on.
sounds like STL should be trying to hire some of those TENN coaches to put into our system
Tennessee pays their coaches very well

Re: Most talk on Doyle naturally but did Cards also get the steal of the draft ?

Posted: 15 Jul 2025 09:09 am
by rockondlouie
billybaseball wrote: 15 Jul 2025 09:00 am
moose-and-squirrel wrote: 15 Jul 2025 08:51 am
billybaseball wrote: 15 Jul 2025 08:11 am Tennessee's coach was on 101espn yesterday. He said they had to completely remake him when he came to campus. Completely reworked everything starting with his fastball and his secondary pitches didn't get much focus. That's how he went from 20%bb to 5%bb. Said it was the right thing longterm for him but it probably hurt his draft value because of how underdeveloped his secondaries were. He would have been their 1 or 2 starter next year. If the Cardinals can get his secondary pitches worked out then he has ace ceiling. His fastball looks like it teleports when it's on.
sounds like STL should be trying to hire some of those TENN coaches to put into our system
Tennessee pays their coaches very well
Tony Vitello
MIZ-ZOU
:D

Re: Most talk on Doyle naturally but did Cards also get the steal of the draft ?

Posted: 15 Jul 2025 10:36 am
by BrummerStealsHome
FWIW, most of the mock drafts had Doyle going earlier than 5th overall.

Re: Most talk on Doyle naturally but did Cards also get the steal of the draft ?

Posted: 15 Jul 2025 10:54 am
by CrownRoyalCaramel
billybaseball wrote: 15 Jul 2025 08:11 am Tennessee's coach was on 101espn yesterday. He said they had to completely remake him when he came to campus. Completely reworked everything starting with his fastball and his secondary pitches didn't get much focus. That's how he went from 20%bb to 5%bb. Said it was the right thing longterm for him but it probably hurt his draft value because of how underdeveloped his secondaries were. He would have been their 1 or 2 starter next year. If the Cardinals can get his secondary pitches worked out then he has ace ceiling. His fastball looks like it teleports when it's on.
No, he wouldn’t have been their 1 or 2 next year. I went to UT and follow everything about that program. Franklin throws heat with no movement and his secondaries suck. He won’t ever be more than a BP piece.

Re: Most talk on Doyle naturally but did Cards also get the steal of the draft ?

Posted: 15 Jul 2025 10:59 am
by 82birds
billybaseball wrote: 15 Jul 2025 08:11 am Tennessee's coach was on 101espn yesterday. He said they had to completely remake him when he came to campus. Completely reworked everything starting with his fastball and his secondary pitches didn't get much focus. That's how he went from 20%bb to 5%bb. Said it was the right thing longterm for him but it probably hurt his draft value because of how underdeveloped his secondaries were. He would have been their 1 or 2 starter next year. If the Cardinals can get his secondary pitches worked out then he has ace ceiling. His fastball looks like it teleports when it's on.
thx for sharing that.
man, would it be super if he worked out !

Re: Most talk on Doyle naturally but did Cards also get the steal of the draft ?

Posted: 15 Jul 2025 11:10 am
by ramfandan
Melville wrote: 15 Jul 2025 08:25 am
ramfandan wrote: 14 Jul 2025 23:06 pm https://redbirdrants.com/mlb-network-la ... -the-draft

MLB sure liked him. Though a reliever some think the 6-5, 225 lb pitcher will get first look as potential starter. Grade 70 fastball is nice to start
He is a high risk / high reward pick was who selected above rank.
Great fastball with command issues on his secondary pitches.
Equal chance of being steal and bust.
The pick which most interests me is Mitchell, SS drafted as an outfielder.
The outfield has been a disaster for the Cardinals for the past decade, and his 60 grade hit tool is something the organization really needed to add to its system.
Living here in Tenn. I had some previous info on Mitchell. He was the Tenn. Gatorade Player of the Year . I watched highlights of him a few times.
Liked his hard hit balls and he sure could motor out of the box . Liked his hustle . Think with his speed he could play CF in The Show. Germantown is a bit east of Memphis so I was bit too far (3 hours plus ) to watch him in person but all the clips I saw sure looked good.