Braves have helped us decide to sell....

[hugeCardfan]

I think it's time.

[swatski]

To sell the team. Dewitt’s have to go too. Passively accepting what they’ve seen is as bad as MO’s actively blowing up the franchise.

[rizzardo]

It has been time.... for a long time.
This is just the last few minutes of the sinking of the Titanic. Nothing much has changed from the previous few years (even the players), and trying to muddle along with some sort of "well, we might make the playoffs this year" attitude is just fundamentally flawed. Given all the double-speak, lack of vision, and inability to maintain a consistent strategy or plan... I am not sure this organization can see the light at the end of the tunnel. Hopefully, by whatever momentum comes along, it leads to a sell-off and a new GM's wisdom next year. Funny... guys like Doug Armstrong always find a way... and idiots like MO just talk in circles and get nowhere.

[82birds]

It has been time.... for a long time.
This is just the last few minutes of the sinking of the Titanic. Nothing much has changed from the previous few years (even the players), and trying to muddle along with some sort of "well, we might make the playoffs this year" attitude is just fundamentally flawed. Given all the double-speak, lack of vision, and inability to maintain a consistent strategy or plan... I am not sure this organization can see the light at the end of the tunnel. Hopefully, by whatever momentum comes along, it leads to a sell-off and a new GM's wisdom next year. Funny... guys like Doug Armstrong always find a way... and idiots like MO just talk in circles and get nowhere.

^^ ALL OF THIS ^^

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Mozeliak is not a visionary. End of story. He lives in the past and can't envision the future. That's why he falls in love with players he shouldn't be falling in love with.

[dugoutrex]

It has been time.... for a long time.
This is just the last few minutes of the sinking of the Titanic. Nothing much has changed from the previous few years (even the players), and trying to muddle along with some sort of "well, we might make the playoffs this year" attitude is just fundamentally flawed. Given all the double-speak, lack of vision, and inability to maintain a consistent strategy or plan... I am not sure this organization can see the light at the end of the tunnel. Hopefully, by whatever momentum comes along, it leads to a sell-off and a new GM's wisdom next year. Funny... guys like Doug Armstrong always find a way... and idiots like MO just talk in circles and get nowhere.

weren't the Blues one and done this year ? - I guess that's finding a way ...

[desertrat23]

Mozeliak is not a visionary. End of story. He lives in the past and can't envision the future. That's why he falls in love with players he shouldn't be falling in love with.

I'd say that's actually DeWitt. And he does it because a good chunk of the fanbase insists on it. It's why they're CONSTANTLY promoting players and teams from decades past.

Mo is the smartest guy in the room. Just ask him.

[rizzardo]

It has been time.... for a long time.
This is just the last few minutes of the sinking of the Titanic. Nothing much has changed from the previous few years (even the players), and trying to muddle along with some sort of "well, we might make the playoffs this year" attitude is just fundamentally flawed. Given all the double-speak, lack of vision, and inability to maintain a consistent strategy or plan... I am not sure this organization can see the light at the end of the tunnel. Hopefully, by whatever momentum comes along, it leads to a sell-off and a new GM's wisdom next year. Funny... guys like Doug Armstrong always find a way... and idiots like MO just talk in circles and get nowhere.

weren't the Blues one and done this year ? - I guess that's finding a way ...

I think you would find a complete opposite of "optimism versus pessimism" regarding the Blues and the Cardinals. If you choose not to see that, so be it. Given the salary cap constraints of the NHL, and the solid vision DA has provided... I see a GM that can get the job done regardless of player performance or the multitude of external variables, and one that has no clue. I would venture a bet that those "in the industry", would rank the Blues organization as one with vision and positive momentum, and have the Cardinals listed as "still stuck in limbo".

[desertrat23]

It has been time.... for a long time.
This is just the last few minutes of the sinking of the Titanic. Nothing much has changed from the previous few years (even the players), and trying to muddle along with some sort of "well, we might make the playoffs this year" attitude is just fundamentally flawed. Given all the double-speak, lack of vision, and inability to maintain a consistent strategy or plan... I am not sure this organization can see the light at the end of the tunnel. Hopefully, by whatever momentum comes along, it leads to a sell-off and a new GM's wisdom next year. Funny... guys like Doug Armstrong always find a way... and idiots like MO just talk in circles and get nowhere.

weren't the Blues one and done this year ? - I guess that's finding a way ...

Would you rather have the Blues' track record over the past 5-10 years or the Cardinals'?

[dugoutrex]

It has been time.... for a long time.
This is just the last few minutes of the sinking of the Titanic. Nothing much has changed from the previous few years (even the players), and trying to muddle along with some sort of "well, we might make the playoffs this year" attitude is just fundamentally flawed. Given all the double-speak, lack of vision, and inability to maintain a consistent strategy or plan... I am not sure this organization can see the light at the end of the tunnel. Hopefully, by whatever momentum comes along, it leads to a sell-off and a new GM's wisdom next year. Funny... guys like Doug Armstrong always find a way... and idiots like MO just talk in circles and get nowhere.

weren't the Blues one and done this year ? - I guess that's finding a way ...

Would you rather have the Blues' track record over the past 5-10 years or the Cardinals'?

how 'bout over the last 50 years ?

[45s]

Well……someone had to..

[Talkin' Baseball]

It has been time.... for a long time.
This is just the last few minutes of the sinking of the Titanic. Nothing much has changed from the previous few years (even the players), and trying to muddle along with some sort of "well, we might make the playoffs this year" attitude is just fundamentally flawed. Given all the double-speak, lack of vision, and inability to maintain a consistent strategy or plan... I am not sure this organization can see the light at the end of the tunnel. Hopefully, by whatever momentum comes along, it leads to a sell-off and a new GM's wisdom next year. Funny... guys like Doug Armstrong always find a way... and idiots like MO just talk in circles and get nowhere.

weren't the Blues one and done this year ? - I guess that's finding a way ...

Would you rather have the Blues' track record over the past 5-10 years or the Cardinals'?

how 'bout over the last 50 years ?

This conversation always ends up here. You go back far enough to take in 3 Hall of Fame managers and several Hall of Fame players. We've now manufactured our own Hall of Fame so that we can feel good about inducting some players that people recognize. Someone has to wear the red jackets. The legit Hall of Famers are dying. It's been 14 years since we had a Hall of Fame manager. If a good yesterday is enough for you, I'm happy for you. Many of us would like to have a productive and compelling present and future. I don't want to be remembered as someone who used to be good at something.

[butsir01]

It has been time.... for a long time.
This is just the last few minutes of the sinking of the Titanic. Nothing much has changed from the previous few years (even the players), and trying to muddle along with some sort of "well, we might make the playoffs this year" attitude is just fundamentally flawed. Given all the double-speak, lack of vision, and inability to maintain a consistent strategy or plan... I am not sure this organization can see the light at the end of the tunnel. Hopefully, by whatever momentum comes along, it leads to a sell-off and a new GM's wisdom next year. Funny... guys like Doug Armstrong always find a way... and idiots like MO just talk in circles and get nowhere.

weren't the Blues one and done this year ? - I guess that's finding a way ...

Would you rather have the Blues' track record over the past 5-10 years or the Cardinals'?

how 'bout over the last 50 years ?

This conversation always ends up here. You go back far enough to take in 3 Hall of Fame managers and several Hall of Fame players. We've now manufactured our own Hall of Fame so that we can feel good about inducting some players that people recognize. Someone has to wear the red jackets. The legit Hall of Famers are dying. It's been 14 years since we had a Hall of Fame manager. If a good yesterday is enough for you, I'm happy for you. Many of us would like to have a productive and compelling present and future. I don't want to be remembered as someone who used to be good at something.

Hammer squarely met nail.

[Stlcardsblues]

I think it's time.

They should have been sellers regardless. That decision should had been made before before thet went to spring training when ownership took the offseason off.

[45s]

I think it's time.

They should have been sellers regardless. That decision should had been made before before thet went to spring training when ownership took the offseason off.

Agree

It seems there is no commitment …

They aren’t committed to tearing it all down and a complete rebuild…

They aren’t committed to significant investments in free agents…

However, they do seem to be committed to mediocrity and chasing that third wild card.

It’s likely to get worse before it gets better.

[Talkin' Baseball]

I think it's time.

They should have been sellers regardless. That decision should had been made before before thet went to spring training when ownership took the offseason off.

Agree

It seems there is no commitment …

They aren’t committed to tearing it all down and a complete rebuild…

They aren’t committed to significant investments in free agents…

However, they do seem to be committed to mediocrity and chasing that third wild card.

It’s likely to get worse before it gets better.

Mo has the yips. He is no longer capable of doing anything bold, innovative, or committed. If you mean worse before it gets better this year- could be. If you mean beyond that- probably not. There are smarter people in the building who are gaining voice. These past three years represent the bottom, in my opinion.