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What's Mo going to do?

Shady wrote: ↑09 Jul 2025 11:24 am https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/20 ... 10#image=5
What's Mo going to do?

That title should read, "Cards have three of the top five rental relievers available". I'm speculating that Mo could come away with some fine prospects for all three. But at the trade deadline, does Mo just keep all three if the Cards are either within five of the Central and/or three of the wildcard?

Check out the writers at that site. They are just guys like the rest of us. They aren't professional writers, just contributors to a blog type thing called SportsGrid. There 10 of them from what I see. 3 or 4 like writing about sports betting. They have an interest in sports but Shady, they are probably no more expert then you and I.

Those 5 names have been batted around especially Helsley and Matz.

HorseTrader wrote: ↑09 Jul 2025 14:17 pm Check out the writers at that site. They are just guys like the rest of us. They aren't professional writers, just contributors to a blog type thing called SportsGrid. There 10 of them from what I see. 3 or 4 like writing about sports betting. They have an interest in sports but Shady, they are probably no more expert then you and I.

Those 5 names have been batted around especially Helsley and Matz.

Thanks for the info. Actually, Maton likely should get as much interest as Matz. And I would think Maton may be cheaper for the remainder of the season.

helesley hasnt been as good this year but relief guys who throw 100 with good breaking stuff are hard to find...if I was an poosing GM I would be all over helesley if I needed a stopper

jbrach wrote: ↑09 Jul 2025 15:18 pm helesley hasnt been as good this year but relief guys who throw 100 with good breaking stuff are hard to find...if I was an poosing GM I would be all over helesley if I needed a stopper

Mo was all over Arenado and Goldy in those trades and yet the Rockies and DBacks got nothing of gamechanging substance in return.

Shady wrote: ↑09 Jul 2025 11:24 am https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/20 ... 10#image=5
What's Mo going to do?

Well, if they aren't going to resign Helsley then they might as well get something for him. I'm not promoting that by any means because they could well find themselves in a playoff game. Stranger things have happened.

CCard wrote: ↑09 Jul 2025 18:09 pm

Shady wrote: ↑09 Jul 2025 11:24 am https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/20 ... 10#image=5
What's Mo going to do?

Well, if they aren't going to resign Helsley then they might as well get something for him. I'm not promoting that by any means because they could well find themselves in a playoff game. Stranger things have happened.

If the Cardinals are more than five games out of the division race and/or more than three out of the wildcard race. They really need to trade at least two of the three mentioned in the article for prospects.

"Ryan Helsley is the biggest bullpen name to watch if St. Louis decides to pivot from a tight NL Wild Card battle to retooling for the future. While the flamethrower hasn’t been as dominant this year, his raw stuff is still electric — enough for contenders to envision him slamming the door in the ninth. If the Cards shop him, expect a bidding war."- SportsGrid Contributor Just Baseball
Mo needs to come through and pluck a gem for the future.

Shady wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 10:13 am "Ryan Helsley is the biggest bullpen name to watch if St. Louis decides to pivot from a tight NL Wild Card battle to retooling for the future. While the flamethrower hasn’t been as dominant this year, his raw stuff is still electric — enough for contenders to envision him slamming the door in the ninth. If the Cards shop him, expect a bidding war."- SportsGrid Contributor Just Baseball
Mo needs to come through and pluck a gem for the future.

If Helsley is dealt. Would Matton serve as the closer? Or maybe Granillo.

Only one's I'd deal are Helsley and Matz

Extend Maton

One should be dealt for prospects. Stop being Lazy Moe.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 12:20 pm Only one's I'd deal are Helsley and Matz

Extend Maton

It'd be risky, but they could still sell Maton and plan to bring him back in 2026. If he finishes 2025 with numbers around where they are now, he'll have earned himself a multi-year deal this coming offseason. (And if he doesn't get offered one in that scenario, Maton's agent should be fired for willful negligence.)

VegasVinny wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 12:28 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 12:20 pm Only one's I'd deal are Helsley and Matz

Extend Maton

It'd be risky, but they could still sell Maton and plan to bring him back in 2026. If he finishes 2025 with numbers around where they are now, he'll have earned himself a multi-year deal this coming offseason. (And if he doesn't get offered one in that scenario, Maton's agent should be fired for willful negligence.)

Or they could lose him.

Losing Helsley is going to be bad enough, losing Maton too would weaken the 2026 bullpen to a level we don't want to see.

I'm not dealing him, I'm inking him to a two year deal at the ASB (but BDWJr won't) and he'll probably be dealt.

If he goes too, then the 2026 pen' is going to be one hot mess.

You trade all three. "But how do we replace Maton?" The same way we replaced Kittredge, the same way we replaced VerHagen, and so on. There will ALWAYS be another Maton type, Kittedge type, VerHagen type available for next season. Matz is a failed starter/decent reliever...easy to replace. Helsley will be the hardest, but he's NOT the Helsley of last season so it would be best to bring in a stop-gap until we find our next closer from within than overpay for Helsley. What you don't do is re-up any of these guys, you thank them and move on with the rebuild that isn't really a rebuild yet because of clowns like Mikolas and Fedde still pitching, but you get the idea.