almost 60 years ago

[12xu]

Things were a bit different back in 1965 in MLB.

During the long rain delay tonight, I watched a youtube video of the last 3 innings of a game at wrigley field between the cubs and Reds on 8/19/65. Jim Maloney was pitching a no hitter in thru 7 innings when the video began. Ex-Cardinal Larry Jackson pitching a shutout for the cubbies. The wind was blowing in at about 15 mph.

Some of the great players for the small bears - Banks, Santo, Billy Williams - all HOF. For the Reds - Rose, Vada Pinson, Frank Robinson! But Jim Maloney was the star of the game, He walked 10 batters in the game, and hit another, struck out 12, and allowed no hits. He pitched all 10 innings, throwing 187 pitches!!! Larry Jackson pitched a fine game himself, walking none and allowing 9 hits in 10 IP. He would give up a solo homer to SS Leo Cardenas with 1 out in the 10th inning. The cubs would get 2 runners on in the 10th, but Ernie Banks hit into a game ending DP.

It was amazing that Jackson was left in the tie game in the 9th he was left in to bat with men on 1st and 2nd with 2 out. Just as amazing was that he walked to load the bases, but the next batter made an out.

[swatski]

That was when men played this game.

[OldRed]

Things were a bit different back in 1965 in MLB.

During the long rain delay tonight, I watched a youtube video of the last 3 innings of a game at wrigley field between the cubs and Reds on 8/19/65. Jim Maloney was pitching a no hitter in thru 7 innings when the video began. Ex-Cardinal Larry Jackson pitching a shutout for the cubbies. The wind was blowing in at about 15 mph.

Some of the great players for the small bears - Banks, Santo, Billy Williams - all HOF. For the Reds - Rose, Vada Pinson, Frank Robinson! But Jim Maloney was the star of the game, He walked 10 batters in the game, and hit another, struck out 12, and allowed no hits. He pitched all 10 innings, throwing 187 pitches!!! Larry Jackson pitched a fine game himself, walking none and allowing 9 hits in 10 IP. He would give up a solo homer to SS Leo Cardenas with 1 out in the 10th inning. The cubs would get 2 runners on in the 10th, but Ernie Banks hit into a game ending DP.

It was amazing that Jackson was left in the tie game in the 9th he was left in to bat with men on 1st and 2nd with 2 out. Just as amazing was that he walked to load the bases, but the next batter made an out.

Would be a HOFer in today's game.

[jcgmoi]

That was when men played this game.

What's 60 years? Check out a game from 1905 for some real hairy chests.

[BrockFloodMaris]

Things were a bit different back in 1965 in MLB.

During the long rain delay tonight, I watched a youtube video of the last 3 innings of a game at wrigley field between the cubs and Reds on 8/19/65. Jim Maloney was pitching a no hitter in thru 7 innings when the video began. Ex-Cardinal Larry Jackson pitching a shutout for the cubbies. The wind was blowing in at about 15 mph.

Some of the great players for the small bears - Banks, Santo, Billy Williams - all HOF. For the Reds - Rose, Vada Pinson, Frank Robinson! But Jim Maloney was the star of the game, He walked 10 batters in the game, and hit another, struck out 12, and allowed no hits. He pitched all 10 innings, throwing 187 pitches!!! Larry Jackson pitched a fine game himself, walking none and allowing 9 hits in 10 IP. He would give up a solo homer to SS Leo Cardenas with 1 out in the 10th inning. The cubs would get 2 runners on in the 10th, but Ernie Banks hit into a game ending DP.

It was amazing that Jackson was left in the tie game in the 9th he was left in to bat with men on 1st and 2nd with 2 out. Just as amazing was that he walked to load the bases, but the next batter made an out.

Thanks for the post 12xu! Great story about a great game! I will make no attempt to compare 1965 to 2025. The differences are vast.

[scoutyjones2]

That was when men played this game.

[sp25]

Things were a bit different back in 1965 in MLB.

During the long rain delay tonight, I watched a youtube video of the last 3 innings of a game at wrigley field between the cubs and Reds on 8/19/65. Jim Maloney was pitching a no hitter in thru 7 innings when the video began. Ex-Cardinal Larry Jackson pitching a shutout for the cubbies. The wind was blowing in at about 15 mph.

Some of the great players for the small bears - Banks, Santo, Billy Williams - all HOF. For the Reds - Rose, Vada Pinson, Frank Robinson! But Jim Maloney was the star of the game, He walked 10 batters in the game, and hit another, struck out 12, and allowed no hits. He pitched all 10 innings, throwing 187 pitches!!! Larry Jackson pitched a fine game himself, walking none and allowing 9 hits in 10 IP. He would give up a solo homer to SS Leo Cardenas with 1 out in the 10th inning. The cubs would get 2 runners on in the 10th, but Ernie Banks hit into a game ending DP.

It was amazing that Jackson was left in the tie game in the 9th he was left in to bat with men on 1st and 2nd with 2 out. Just as amazing was that he walked to load the bases, but the next batter made an out.

Would be a HOFer in today's game.

Vada Pinson had some amazing numbers early in his career.

[JDW]

That was when men played this game.

The quality of play back then doesn't compare well to the quality of play today.
Bigger, faster and stronger.
Have a friend who coaches HS ball and is in his 50's. He can still throw mostly low 70's velo with low spin rate type batting practice for a couple hours. May not sound like much, but go get yourself timed and you'll find out most of you can't sniff 70.
David Cone didn't pitch that long ago and he was commenting the other day on a broadcast that in his era (1986-2003) most FB's were in the mid 80's to low 90's.

[12xu]

Things were a bit different back in 1965 in MLB.

During the long rain delay tonight, I watched a youtube video of the last 3 innings of a game at wrigley field between the cubs and Reds on 8/19/65. Jim Maloney was pitching a no hitter in thru 7 innings when the video began. Ex-Cardinal Larry Jackson pitching a shutout for the cubbies. The wind was blowing in at about 15 mph.

Some of the great players for the small bears - Banks, Santo, Billy Williams - all HOF. For the Reds - Rose, Vada Pinson, Frank Robinson! But Jim Maloney was the star of the game, He walked 10 batters in the game, and hit another, struck out 12, and allowed no hits. He pitched all 10 innings, throwing 187 pitches!!! Larry Jackson pitched a fine game himself, walking none and allowing 9 hits in 10 IP. He would give up a solo homer to SS Leo Cardenas with 1 out in the 10th inning. The cubs would get 2 runners on in the 10th, but Ernie Banks hit into a game ending DP.

It was amazing that Jackson was left in the tie game in the 9th he was left in to bat with men on 1st and 2nd with 2 out. Just as amazing was that he walked to load the bases, but the next batter made an out.

Would be a HOFer in today's game.

Vada Pinson had some amazing numbers early in his career.

Yes he did. From 1959 when he was only 20 until 1967 Pinson was one of the most impactful players in MLB. For those 9 seasons his average was 191 hits, 100 runs, 34 doubles, 10 triples, 20 HR, 84 RBI, 22 SB, .300/.343/.478/.822. The last 8 years of his career were not as great, but he still finished with nearly 2800 hits, over 250 homers, and over 300 stolen bases. He was an excellent CF who did win one gold glove, and could have won more if his competition would not have been guys like Willie Mays and Curt Flood.

It has long been my opinion that he belongs in the HOF.

[12xu]

That was when men played this game.

The quality of play back then doesn't compare well to the quality of play today.
Bigger, faster and stronger.
Have a friend who coaches HS ball and is in his 50's. He can still throw mostly low 70's velo with low spin rate type batting practice for a couple hours. May not sound like much, but go get yourself timed and you'll find out most of you can't sniff 70.
David Cone didn't pitch that long ago and he was commenting the other day on a broadcast that in his era (1986-2003) most FB's were in the mid 80's to low 90's.

The average player of today is bigger, faster, and stronger, yes. The average player in 1965 was more fundamentally sound and smarter. The pitchers then did not throw as hard, but the smarter ones conserved their strength, knowing that they needed to pitch deep into the game, if not the complete game. The stars of 1965 would be stars in today's game also. No doubt in my mind that guys in this '65 game - Williams, Santo, Banks, Pinson, Robinson, Rose would be all stars today. Jim Maloney and Larry Jackson did not throw as hard as many guys today, but they would also thrive in today's game. Some of the lesser players back then would possibly not make it to the show, such as the relief pitchers and bench players.

[sp25]

Things were a bit different back in 1965 in MLB.

During the long rain delay tonight, I watched a youtube video of the last 3 innings of a game at wrigley field between the cubs and Reds on 8/19/65. Jim Maloney was pitching a no hitter in thru 7 innings when the video began. Ex-Cardinal Larry Jackson pitching a shutout for the cubbies. The wind was blowing in at about 15 mph.

Some of the great players for the small bears - Banks, Santo, Billy Williams - all HOF. For the Reds - Rose, Vada Pinson, Frank Robinson! But Jim Maloney was the star of the game, He walked 10 batters in the game, and hit another, struck out 12, and allowed no hits. He pitched all 10 innings, throwing 187 pitches!!! Larry Jackson pitched a fine game himself, walking none and allowing 9 hits in 10 IP. He would give up a solo homer to SS Leo Cardenas with 1 out in the 10th inning. The cubs would get 2 runners on in the 10th, but Ernie Banks hit into a game ending DP.

It was amazing that Jackson was left in the tie game in the 9th he was left in to bat with men on 1st and 2nd with 2 out. Just as amazing was that he walked to load the bases, but the next batter made an out.

Managerial dereliction of duty, IMO, to let the pitcher bat with two on and two out in the bottom of the 9th in a tie game. Even more amazing is that the Cubs pinch hit for Don Kessinger (OPS .482) one batter before Jackson (OPS .387) came to the plate! Pinch hit for the SS but let the pitcher bat?!

[BrummerStealsHome]

Things were a bit different back in 1965 in MLB.

During the long rain delay tonight, I watched a youtube video of the last 3 innings of a game at wrigley field between the cubs and Reds on 8/19/65. Jim Maloney was pitching a no hitter in thru 7 innings when the video began. Ex-Cardinal Larry Jackson pitching a shutout for the cubbies. The wind was blowing in at about 15 mph.

Some of the great players for the small bears - Banks, Santo, Billy Williams - all HOF. For the Reds - Rose, Vada Pinson, Frank Robinson! But Jim Maloney was the star of the game, He walked 10 batters in the game, and hit another, struck out 12, and allowed no hits. He pitched all 10 innings, throwing 187 pitches!!! Larry Jackson pitched a fine game himself, walking none and allowing 9 hits in 10 IP. He would give up a solo homer to SS Leo Cardenas with 1 out in the 10th inning. The cubs would get 2 runners on in the 10th, but Ernie Banks hit into a game ending DP.

It was amazing that Jackson was left in the tie game in the 9th he was left in to bat with men on 1st and 2nd with 2 out. Just as amazing was that he walked to load the bases, but the next batter made an out.

Managerial dereliction of duty, IMO, to let the pitcher bat with two on and two out in the bottom of the 9th in a tie game. Even more amazing is that the Cubs pinch hit for Don Kessinger (OPS .482) one batter before Jackson (OPS .387) came to the plate! Pinch hit for the SS but let the pitcher bat?!

I don't see it as deriliction of duty. He treated his pitcher like a man, like a competitor, like a man. Not only did Maloney appreciate that, I'm sure, but all his teammates as well. Baseball is a game played by men, and it should be conducted with that in mind.

[The Nard]

That was when men played this game.

The quality of play back then doesn't compare well to the quality of play today.
Bigger, faster and stronger.
Have a friend who coaches HS ball and is in his 50's. He can still throw mostly low 70's velo with low spin rate type batting practice for a couple hours. May not sound like much, but go get yourself timed and you'll find out most of you can't sniff 70.
David Cone didn't pitch that long ago and he was commenting the other day on a broadcast that in his era (1986-2003) most FB's were in the mid 80's to low 90's.

The average player of today is bigger, faster, and stronger, yes. The average player in 1965 was more fundamentally sound and smarter. The pitchers then did not throw as hard, but the smarter ones conserved their strength, knowing that they needed to pitch deep into the game, if not the complete game. The stars of 1965 would be stars in today's game also. No doubt in my mind that guys in this '65 game - Williams, Santo, Banks, Pinson, Robinson, Rose would be all stars today. Jim Maloney and Larry Jackson did not throw as hard as many guys today, but they would also thrive in today's game. Some of the lesser players back then would possibly not make it to the show, such as the relief pitchers and bench players.

Just to add - Jim Maloney was considered a fireballer when he first came up, so was probably sitting in the mid-90s. Larry Jackson was considered one of the many “crafty old veterans” when pitching for the Cubs. Those pitchers knew how to change speeds, locate their pitches, and reserve their “out pitch” for when it was needed.

[OldRed]

That was when men played this game.

The quality of play back then doesn't compare well to the quality of play today.
Bigger, faster and stronger.
Have a friend who coaches HS ball and is in his 50's. He can still throw mostly low 70's velo with low spin rate type batting practice for a couple hours. May not sound like much, but go get yourself timed and you'll find out most of you can't sniff 70.
David Cone didn't pitch that long ago and he was commenting the other day on a broadcast that in his era (1986-2003) most FB's were in the mid 80's to low 90's.

The average player of today is bigger, faster, and stronger, yes. The average player in 1965 was more fundamentally sound and smarter. The pitchers then did not throw as hard, but the smarter ones conserved their strength, knowing that they needed to pitch deep into the game, if not the complete game. The stars of 1965 would be stars in today's game also. No doubt in my mind that guys in this '65 game - Williams, Santo, Banks, Pinson, Robinson, Rose would be all stars today. Jim Maloney and Larry Jackson did not throw as hard as many guys today, but they would also thrive in today's game. Some of the lesser players back then would possibly not make it to the show, such as the relief pitchers and bench players.

My memory was Maloney was a hard thrower for his time period. Jackson was a pitcher who worked the corners, field his position and also hit for a pitcher. He was terrific when a Cardinal in the 50's.

[12xu]

That was when men played this game.

The quality of play back then doesn't compare well to the quality of play today.
Bigger, faster and stronger.
Have a friend who coaches HS ball and is in his 50's. He can still throw mostly low 70's velo with low spin rate type batting practice for a couple hours. May not sound like much, but go get yourself timed and you'll find out most of you can't sniff 70.
David Cone didn't pitch that long ago and he was commenting the other day on a broadcast that in his era (1986-2003) most FB's were in the mid 80's to low 90's.

The average player of today is bigger, faster, and stronger, yes. The average player in 1965 was more fundamentally sound and smarter. The pitchers then did not throw as hard, but the smarter ones conserved their strength, knowing that they needed to pitch deep into the game, if not the complete game. The stars of 1965 would be stars in today's game also. No doubt in my mind that guys in this '65 game - Williams, Santo, Banks, Pinson, Robinson, Rose would be all stars today. Jim Maloney and Larry Jackson did not throw as hard as many guys today, but they would also thrive in today's game. Some of the lesser players back then would possibly not make it to the show, such as the relief pitchers and bench players.

My memory was Maloney was a hard thrower for his time period. Jackson was a pitcher who worked the corners, field his position and also hit for a pitcher. He was terrific when a Cardinal in the 50's.

Yes, Maloney did throw hard for his era. Struck out a lot of batters.

[MIDMOBIRDTWO]

Things were a bit different back in 1965 in MLB.

During the long rain delay tonight, I watched a youtube video of the last 3 innings of a game at wrigley field between the cubs and Reds on 8/19/65. Jim Maloney was pitching a no hitter in thru 7 innings when the video began. Ex-Cardinal Larry Jackson pitching a shutout for the cubbies. The wind was blowing in at about 15 mph.

Some of the great players for the small bears - Banks, Santo, Billy Williams - all HOF. For the Reds - Rose, Vada Pinson, Frank Robinson! But Jim Maloney was the star of the game, He walked 10 batters in the game, and hit another, struck out 12, and allowed no hits. He pitched all 10 innings, throwing 187 pitches!!! Larry Jackson pitched a fine game himself, walking none and allowing 9 hits in 10 IP. He would give up a solo homer to SS Leo Cardenas with 1 out in the 10th inning. The cubs would get 2 runners on in the 10th, but Ernie Banks hit into a game ending DP.

It was amazing that Jackson was left in the tie game in the 9th he was left in to bat with men on 1st and 2nd with 2 out. Just as amazing was that he walked to load the bases, but the next batter made an out.

I remember listening to night games on KMOX when Maloney pitched for the Reds. The crack of the ball into the mitt was louder than for any other pitcher. He must have been throwing smoke!