Good news and bad news on Alcantara

[ScotchMIrish]

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... &year=2025

Good news is his innings and pitch counts indicate he is healthy and at this point Miami might be begging someone to take him and his salary.


Bad news is 12 earned runs over 12 innings in his last 2 starts after a promising June. ERA at 7 after 17 starts.


Would the $17 million left on his contract for next season ( $21 million club option for 2027) be better spent elsewhere or is he worth the risk? Would you want him and if what would you give?

[sikeston bulldog2]

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... &year=2025

Good news is his innings and pitch counts indicate he is healthy and at this point Miami might be begging someone to take him and his salary.


Bad news is 12 earned runs over 12 innings in his last 2 starts after a promising June. ERA at 7 after 17 starts.


Would the $17 million left on his contract for next season ( $21 million club option for 2027) be better spent elsewhere or is he worth the risk? Would you want him and if what would you give?

Didn’t we give 17M or more to the Mik. Also he plays for Miami. Our defense alone would cut2.5 from that era, if not more.

In this time of money, I’d take my chances.

[craviduce]

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... &year=2025

Good news is his innings and pitch counts indicate he is healthy and at this point Miami might be begging someone to take him and his salary.


Bad news is 12 earned runs over 12 innings in his last 2 starts after a promising June. ERA at 7 after 17 starts.


Would the $17 million left on his contract for next season ( $21 million club option for 2027) be better spent elsewhere or is he worth the risk? Would you want him and if what would you give?

Didn’t we give 17M or more to the Mik. Also he plays for Miami. Our defense alone would cut2.5 from that era, if not more.

In this time of money, I’d take my chances.

our defense would do that if we're healthy...which we're not.

[45s]

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... &year=2025

Good news is his innings and pitch counts indicate he is healthy and at this point Miami might be begging someone to take him and his salary.


Bad news is 12 earned runs over 12 innings in his last 2 starts after a promising June. ERA at 7 after 17 starts.


Would the $17 million left on his contract for next season ( $21 million club option for 2027) be better spent elsewhere or is he worth the risk? Would you want him and if what would you give?

For all the issues you noted……he will be in great demand…

The price will be high, and for the club to give up multiple prospects for one guy will set the rebuild back……they need more than one pitcher..

[sikeston bulldog2]

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... &year=2025

Good news is his innings and pitch counts indicate he is healthy and at this point Miami might be begging someone to take him and his salary.


Bad news is 12 earned runs over 12 innings in his last 2 starts after a promising June. ERA at 7 after 17 starts.


Would the $17 million left on his contract for next season ( $21 million club option for 2027) be better spent elsewhere or is he worth the risk? Would you want him and if what would you give?

Didn’t we give 17M or more to the Mik. Also he plays for Miami. Our defense alone would cut2.5 from that era, if not more.

In this time of money, I’d take my chances.

our defense would do that if we're healthy...which we're not.

Only a couple other names have surfaced as a possible trade, none FA. This may cost in prospects, but there is a good chance for a great return. This is the moves that winners make, not discounting the luck involved.

A different kind of gambling. Pull that slot boys.

[Futuregm2]

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... &year=2025

Good news is his innings and pitch counts indicate he is healthy and at this point Miami might be begging someone to take him and his salary.


Bad news is 12 earned runs over 12 innings in his last 2 starts after a promising June. ERA at 7 after 17 starts.


Would the $17 million left on his contract for next season ( $21 million club option for 2027) be better spent elsewhere or is he worth the risk? Would you want him and if what would you give?

He has a 3.34 FIP over his last 6 games. His K-BB ratio is 27-6 in 35 innings with a 1.11 WHIP.

But there will be a pretty good market for him I think because of the demand and lack of high end talent available. Cardinals aren’t going to be buying him.

[ScotchMIrish]

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... &year=2025

Good news is his innings and pitch counts indicate he is healthy and at this point Miami might be begging someone to take him and his salary.


Bad news is 12 earned runs over 12 innings in his last 2 starts after a promising June. ERA at 7 after 17 starts.


Would the $17 million left on his contract for next season ( $21 million club option for 2027) be better spent elsewhere or is he worth the risk? Would you want him and if what would you give?

Didn’t we give 17M or more to the Mik. Also he plays for Miami. Our defense alone would cut2.5 from that era, if not more.

In this time of money, I’d take my chances.

our defense would do that if we're healthy...which we're not.

https://www.mlb.com/marlins/stats/pitch ... es-started

In 15 starts Edward Cabrera has an era of 3.33 while Alcantara in 17 starts has an era of 7.01 with the same defense. I can understand early season struggles coming off the bench following ulnar collateral surgery but he is still struggling.

I'd want to know more before I gave a decent prospect for him. Is he avoiding throwing certain pitches coming off surgery? Is his velocity down?

[BrockFloodMaris]

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... &year=2025

Good news is his innings and pitch counts indicate he is healthy and at this point Miami might be begging someone to take him and his salary.


Bad news is 12 earned runs over 12 innings in his last 2 starts after a promising June. ERA at 7 after 17 starts.


Would the $17 million left on his contract for next season ( $21 million club option for 2027) be better spent elsewhere or is he worth the risk? Would you want him and if what would you give?

Didn’t we give 17M or more to the Mik. Also he plays for Miami. Our defense alone would cut2.5 from that era, if not more.

In this time of money, I’d take my chances.

our defense would do that if we're healthy...which we're not.

Only a couple other names have surfaced as a possible trade, none FA. This may cost in prospects, but there is a good chance for a great return. This is the moves that winners make, not discounting the luck involved.

A different kind of gambling. Pull that slot boys.

I don't hate this idea. I just don't think BDW, Bloom et al will be looking to trade youth this offseason. This is the kind of move I can see them making next offseason. This year will be an attempt to backfill the farm system with some talent, particularly pitching and RH outfielders. Many on the MLB roster are candidates to be part of a trade package--Noot, Burly, Nado, Fedde, Mikolas, Helsley, Maton, Matz. These coupled with our glut of middle infielders and catchers should return a team's top ten prospect plus others.

[CCard]

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... &year=2025

Good news is his innings and pitch counts indicate he is healthy and at this point Miami might be begging someone to take him and his salary.


Bad news is 12 earned runs over 12 innings in his last 2 starts after a promising June. ERA at 7 after 17 starts.


Would the $17 million left on his contract for next season ( $21 million club option for 2027) be better spent elsewhere or is he worth the risk? Would you want him and if what would you give?

If he's healthy they should jump all over that. Short term results don't matter and he's shown that he's Cy Young caliber talent. I'd much rather have him than that albatross Mikolas. On the flip side, every time we deal with Miami we get screwed.

[craviduce]

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... &year=2025

Good news is his innings and pitch counts indicate he is healthy and at this point Miami might be begging someone to take him and his salary.


Bad news is 12 earned runs over 12 innings in his last 2 starts after a promising June. ERA at 7 after 17 starts.


Would the $17 million left on his contract for next season ( $21 million club option for 2027) be better spent elsewhere or is he worth the risk? Would you want him and if what would you give?

Didn’t we give 17M or more to the Mik. Also he plays for Miami. Our defense alone would cut2.5 from that era, if not more.

In this time of money, I’d take my chances.

our defense would do that if we're healthy...which we're not.

https://www.mlb.com/marlins/stats/pitch ... es-started

In 15 starts Edward Cabrera has an era of 3.33 while Alcantara in 17 starts has an era of 7.01 with the same defense. I can understand early season struggles coming off the bench following ulnar collateral surgery but he is still struggling.

I'd want to know more before I gave a decent prospect for him. Is he avoiding throwing certain pitches coming off surgery? Is his velocity down?

he'd have to be healthy and pitch 3 times a week, plus hit in 3 or 4 spots in the lineup before I'd want to give up any amount of prospects for him....we have too many holes, and filling one of those holes on a guy who may or may not be 50% healthy is ....well it's not smart, that's putting it mildly.

You don't put your development/farm system back 2 or 3 seasons b/c of some nostalgic do over scenario.

I don't get the want or need for Alcantara.

2018 was a long time ago.

[Futuregm2]

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... &year=2025

Good news is his innings and pitch counts indicate he is healthy and at this point Miami might be begging someone to take him and his salary.


Bad news is 12 earned runs over 12 innings in his last 2 starts after a promising June. ERA at 7 after 17 starts.


Would the $17 million left on his contract for next season ( $21 million club option for 2027) be better spent elsewhere or is he worth the risk? Would you want him and if what would you give?

Didn’t we give 17M or more to the Mik. Also he plays for Miami. Our defense alone would cut2.5 from that era, if not more.

In this time of money, I’d take my chances.

our defense would do that if we're healthy...which we're not.

https://www.mlb.com/marlins/stats/pitch ... es-started

In 15 starts Edward Cabrera has an era of 3.33 while Alcantara in 17 starts has an era of 7.01 with the same defense. I can understand early season struggles coming off the bench following ulnar collateral surgery but he is still struggling.

I'd want to know more before I gave a decent prospect for him. Is he avoiding throwing certain pitches coming off surgery? Is his velocity down?

he'd have to be healthy and pitch 3 times a week, plus hit in 3 or 4 spots in the lineup before I'd want to give up any amount of prospects for him....we have too many holes, and filling one of those holes on a guy who may or may not be 50% healthy is ....well it's not smart, that's putting it mildly.

You don't put your development/farm system back 2 or 3 seasons b/c of some nostalgic do over scenario.

I don't get the want or need for Alcantara.

2018 was a long time ago.

I don’t know that it’s all “nostalgia”, sure it’s a name in our past, but when he was healthy before he was a very good 3-4+ WAR level pitcher. Pitchers coming off TJ surgery usually have rust, but he was significantly better in June, at least overall. IF you believe he can get back to ace level (which is why you’d trade for him), he’s still only 29 years old and could factor into the team for not only the short term, but long term, too.

[ScotchMIrish]

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... &year=2025

Good news is his innings and pitch counts indicate he is healthy and at this point Miami might be begging someone to take him and his salary.


Bad news is 12 earned runs over 12 innings in his last 2 starts after a promising June. ERA at 7 after 17 starts.


Would the $17 million left on his contract for next season ( $21 million club option for 2027) be better spent elsewhere or is he worth the risk? Would you want him and if what would you give?

He has a 3.34 FIP over his last 6 games. His K-BB ratio is 27-6 in 35 innings with a 1.11 WHIP.

But there will be a pretty good market for him I think because of the demand and lack of high end talent available. Cardinals aren’t going to be buying him.

True but the 3 quality starts were vs Colorado, Pittsburgh and Atlanta. Only respectable start vs a good team was 5 innings with 2 earned runs vs Philadelphia. Then 12 runs over 12 innings in his last 2.

I'm skeptical of some of the new analytics stats like FIP. For example Edward Cabrera has an era of 3.33 and FIP of 3.88 for the same team.

I tend to agree the Cardinals won't be buying unless demand is low and the Marlins pick up some of the salary. The other possibility is he is throwing batting practice on purpose just to get out of Miami which I doubt but it has happened once or twice before most notably Gary Sheffield.

[rockondlouie]

Sandy A. is never happening

There's a better chance they go after Z. Gallen (free agent) this offseason if they think his 2025 (like Helsley's) is a one off.

[craviduce]

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... &year=2025

Good news is his innings and pitch counts indicate he is healthy and at this point Miami might be begging someone to take him and his salary.


Bad news is 12 earned runs over 12 innings in his last 2 starts after a promising June. ERA at 7 after 17 starts.


Would the $17 million left on his contract for next season ( $21 million club option for 2027) be better spent elsewhere or is he worth the risk? Would you want him and if what would you give?

Didn’t we give 17M or more to the Mik. Also he plays for Miami. Our defense alone would cut2.5 from that era, if not more.

In this time of money, I’d take my chances.

our defense would do that if we're healthy...which we're not.

https://www.mlb.com/marlins/stats/pitch ... es-started

In 15 starts Edward Cabrera has an era of 3.33 while Alcantara in 17 starts has an era of 7.01 with the same defense. I can understand early season struggles coming off the bench following ulnar collateral surgery but he is still struggling.

I'd want to know more before I gave a decent prospect for him. Is he avoiding throwing certain pitches coming off surgery? Is his velocity down?

he'd have to be healthy and pitch 3 times a week, plus hit in 3 or 4 spots in the lineup before I'd want to give up any amount of prospects for him....we have too many holes, and filling one of those holes on a guy who may or may not be 50% healthy is ....well it's not smart, that's putting it mildly.

You don't put your development/farm system back 2 or 3 seasons b/c of some nostalgic do over scenario.

I don't get the want or need for Alcantara.

2018 was a long time ago.

I don’t know that it’s all “nostalgia”, sure it’s a name in our past, but when he was healthy before he was a very good 3-4+ WAR level pitcher. Pitchers coming off TJ surgery usually have rust, but he was significantly better in June, at least overall. IF you believe he can get back to ace level (which is why you’d trade for him), he’s still only 29 years old and could factor into the team for not only the short term, but long term, too.

which names from our current Top 5 are you willing to part with for Alcantara?

And btw, I have no doubt he can get back/close to his Cy Young form.

I'm just against anything that ravages a farm system that currently is trying to prosper and grow.

[Futuregm2]

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... &year=2025

Good news is his innings and pitch counts indicate he is healthy and at this point Miami might be begging someone to take him and his salary.


Bad news is 12 earned runs over 12 innings in his last 2 starts after a promising June. ERA at 7 after 17 starts.


Would the $17 million left on his contract for next season ( $21 million club option for 2027) be better spent elsewhere or is he worth the risk? Would you want him and if what would you give?

Didn’t we give 17M or more to the Mik. Also he plays for Miami. Our defense alone would cut2.5 from that era, if not more.

In this time of money, I’d take my chances.

our defense would do that if we're healthy...which we're not.

https://www.mlb.com/marlins/stats/pitch ... es-started

In 15 starts Edward Cabrera has an era of 3.33 while Alcantara in 17 starts has an era of 7.01 with the same defense. I can understand early season struggles coming off the bench following ulnar collateral surgery but he is still struggling.

I'd want to know more before I gave a decent prospect for him. Is he avoiding throwing certain pitches coming off surgery? Is his velocity down?

he'd have to be healthy and pitch 3 times a week, plus hit in 3 or 4 spots in the lineup before I'd want to give up any amount of prospects for him....we have too many holes, and filling one of those holes on a guy who may or may not be 50% healthy is ....well it's not smart, that's putting it mildly.

You don't put your development/farm system back 2 or 3 seasons b/c of some nostalgic do over scenario.

I don't get the want or need for Alcantara.

2018 was a long time ago.

I don’t know that it’s all “nostalgia”, sure it’s a name in our past, but when he was healthy before he was a very good 3-4+ WAR level pitcher. Pitchers coming off TJ surgery usually have rust, but he was significantly better in June, at least overall. IF you believe he can get back to ace level (which is why you’d trade for him), he’s still only 29 years old and could factor into the team for not only the short term, but long term, too.

which names from our current Top 5 are you willing to part with for Alcantara?

And btw, I have no doubt he can get back/close to his Cy Young form.

I'm just against anything that ravages a farm system that currently is trying to prosper and grow.

I’d offer Crooks, Burleson, and one more prospect for Alcantara. They could use a young catcher and a 1B. And they’d reject it and go elsewhere IMO. They’d probably ask for Bernal as a centerpiece.

[ScotchMIrish]

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... &year=2025

Good news is his innings and pitch counts indicate he is healthy and at this point Miami might be begging someone to take him and his salary.


Bad news is 12 earned runs over 12 innings in his last 2 starts after a promising June. ERA at 7 after 17 starts.


Would the $17 million left on his contract for next season ( $21 million club option for 2027) be better spent elsewhere or is he worth the risk? Would you want him and if what would you give?

Didn’t we give 17M or more to the Mik. Also he plays for Miami. Our defense alone would cut2.5 from that era, if not more.

In this time of money, I’d take my chances.

our defense would do that if we're healthy...which we're not.

https://www.mlb.com/marlins/stats/pitch ... es-started

In 15 starts Edward Cabrera has an era of 3.33 while Alcantara in 17 starts has an era of 7.01 with the same defense. I can understand early season struggles coming off the bench following ulnar collateral surgery but he is still struggling.

I'd want to know more before I gave a decent prospect for him. Is he avoiding throwing certain pitches coming off surgery? Is his velocity down?

he'd have to be healthy and pitch 3 times a week, plus hit in 3 or 4 spots in the lineup before I'd want to give up any amount of prospects for him....we have too many holes, and filling one of those holes on a guy who may or may not be 50% healthy is ....well it's not smart, that's putting it mildly.

You don't put your development/farm system back 2 or 3 seasons b/c of some nostalgic do over scenario.

I don't get the want or need for Alcantara.

2018 was a long time ago.

I don’t know that it’s all “nostalgia”, sure it’s a name in our past, but when he was healthy before he was a very good 3-4+ WAR level pitcher. Pitchers coming off TJ surgery usually have rust, but he was significantly better in June, at least overall. IF you believe he can get back to ace level (which is why you’d trade for him), he’s still only 29 years old and could factor into the team for not only the short term, but long term, too.

which names from our current Top 5 are you willing to part with for Alcantara?

And btw, I have no doubt he can get back/close to his Cy Young form.

I'm just against anything that ravages a farm system that currently is trying to prosper and grow.

I’d offer Crooks, Burleson, and one more prospect for Alcantara. They could use a young catcher and a 1B. And they’d reject it and go elsewhere IMO. They’d probably ask for Bernal as a centerpiece.

If Crooks has MLB level defense I think you are offering too much for Alcantara. MLB trade rumors has Edward Cabrera as likely being moved. It that's true there might be a blockbuster deal with both Alcantara and Cabrera moving in the same deal.