Dvorsky 100’ game

[rezero]

This was mentioned during his call up last year, but one issue that has plagues Dvorsky throughout his development has been his lack of defense. That was what I was most impressed with about Bolduc as he focused on defense first and let the goals come when opportunities arise. He may still get a shot with the Blues, but anyone else remember an offensively gifted center who had trouble making the NHL due to defense?

[Frank Underwood]

“He may still get a shot with the Blues….”

Dear God

[DawgDad]

Rezero, this is two very recent threads you've started with negative undertones targeting specific players, this and the "softer player" thread. You might consider rephrasing your questions, something on the lines of:

"Is the Blues top-6 leaning too soft?"
"Is Dvorsky ready for the NHL"

First, the top-6 turned out to be fine from a regular season perspective, enough scoring and good at ES. Some concerns with Kyrou surfaced in the playoffs and perhaps more was expected from Buchnevich. Holloway didn't make it to the playoffs, is there a longer term issue there? We'll have to see. Moving forward we don't really know what to expect from Snuggerud, either, I saw no indication he's a plus on physicality but I didn't see him abused, either.

Second, we'll find out in camp. What little I saw of Dvorsky in Springfield, I thought he was by design hanging back not driving the rush (puck carrying wingers), he looked fine on the boards and in transition out of the d-zone. Small sample size.

[rezero]

Rezero, this is two very recent threads you've started with negative undertones targeting specific players, this and the "softer player" thread. You might consider rephrasing your questions, something on the lines of:

"Is the Blues top-6 leaning too soft?"
"Is Dvorsky ready for the NHL"

First, the top-6 turned out to be fine from a regular season perspective, enough scoring and good at ES. Some concerns with Kyrou surfaced in the playoffs and perhaps more was expected from Buchnevich. Holloway didn't make it to the playoffs, is there a longer term issue there? We'll have to see. Moving forward we don't really know what to expect from Snuggerud, either, I saw no indication he's a plus on physicality but I didn't see him abused, either.

Second, we'll find out in camp. What little I saw of Dvorsky in Springfield, I thought he was by design hanging back not driving the rush (puck carrying wingers), he looked fine on the boards and in transition out of the d-zone. Small sample size.

I guess I am still reeling from the Bolduc trade as I thought that kid was going to be special and loved his development last year. He had a little bit of a mean streak that you don’t often find in rookies. This coupled with the constant barrage Kyrou gets from this forum which is mostly unjust. Blues top 2 lines on offense and top 2 pairing in defense are still totally in check from the run last year, so the floor for this team should be the playoffs. When we went on the streak last year we had amazing chemistry, that we need to maintain.

[Backesdraft]

Rezero, this is two very recent threads you've started with negative undertones targeting specific players, this and the "softer player" thread. You might consider rephrasing your questions, something on the lines of:

"Is the Blues top-6 leaning too soft?"
"Is Dvorsky ready for the NHL"

First, the top-6 turned out to be fine from a regular season perspective, enough scoring and good at ES. Some concerns with Kyrou surfaced in the playoffs and perhaps more was expected from Buchnevich. Holloway didn't make it to the playoffs, is there a longer term issue there? We'll have to see. Moving forward we don't really know what to expect from Snuggerud, either, I saw no indication he's a plus on physicality but I didn't see him abused, either.

Second, we'll find out in camp. What little I saw of Dvorsky in Springfield, I thought he was by design hanging back not driving the rush (puck carrying wingers), he looked fine on the boards and in transition out of the d-zone. Small sample size.

I guess I am still reeling from the Bolduc trade as I thought that kid was going to be special and loved his development last year. He had a little bit of a mean streak that you don’t often find in rookies. This coupled with the constant barrage Kyrou gets from this forum which is mostly unjust. Blues top 2 lines on offense and top 2 pairing in defense are still totally in check from the run last year, so the floor for this team should be the playoffs. When we went on the streak last year we had amazing chemistry, that we need to maintain.

Rezero, I thought Bolduc had a bright future too (has a bright future). Lots of us on this forum did, and if we could see it then I’m guessing Army and Steen and Monty, etc. saw what Boldy was becoming as well. Point being they must see every bit as much in LM to make this trade.

I hate losing Bolduc but LM must have shown the Blues brass something for them to have pulled the trigger on this trade. I’m actually kind of excited for LM to show us what he must have shown Army and the brass.

[DawgDad]

Rezero, this is two very recent threads you've started with negative undertones targeting specific players, this and the "softer player" thread. You might consider rephrasing your questions, something on the lines of:

"Is the Blues top-6 leaning too soft?"
"Is Dvorsky ready for the NHL"

First, the top-6 turned out to be fine from a regular season perspective, enough scoring and good at ES. Some concerns with Kyrou surfaced in the playoffs and perhaps more was expected from Buchnevich. Holloway didn't make it to the playoffs, is there a longer term issue there? We'll have to see. Moving forward we don't really know what to expect from Snuggerud, either, I saw no indication he's a plus on physicality but I didn't see him abused, either.

Second, we'll find out in camp. What little I saw of Dvorsky in Springfield, I thought he was by design hanging back not driving the rush (puck carrying wingers), he looked fine on the boards and in transition out of the d-zone. Small sample size.

I guess I am still reeling from the Bolduc trade as I thought that kid was going to be special and loved his development last year. He had a little bit of a mean streak that you don’t often find in rookies. This coupled with the constant barrage Kyrou gets from this forum which is mostly unjust. Blues top 2 lines on offense and top 2 pairing in defense are still totally in check from the run last year, so the floor for this team should be the playoffs. When we went on the streak last year we had amazing chemistry, that we need to maintain.

Rezero, I thought Bolduc had a bright future too (has a bright future). Lots of us on this forum did, and if we could see it then I’m guessing Army and Steen and Monty, etc. saw what Boldy was becoming as well. Point being they must see every bit as much in LM to make this trade.

I hate losing Bolduc but LM must have shown the Blues brass something for them to have pulled the trigger on this trade. I’m actually kind of excited for LM to show us what he must have shown Army and the brass.

A reasonable expectation for LM would be something similar to Dunn in the Cup season, a PP QB guy who will score some goals. I believe he may need a full season to shake the learning curve defensively at ES, when and where and how much to be physical and not live in the box. Ideally, he settles in for the most part by playoff time where his offense and physicality might shine, but it could take a season or two for him to develop.

[dhsux]

I heard his initial interview after the trade and he emphasized his offensive game, including his rush and shot, and his willingness of physicality.

He has a lot of the tools to be a top 4 guy by all accounts and it seems the book on him needing a more thoughtful defensive game is accurate.

I do think this can be coached and taught and I think DA and staff believe they can get him straightened out and into a top role on the Blue line.

I've seen a number of reference to Vince Dunn and that's good but I'm seeing some attributes where I'm hoping for even better from him.

[zamadoo]

His draft year scouts were raving about his defensive game. I watched a scouting report that said (specifically for the Slovakian team) it was like having a 3rd defender. I can't find that video, which did show him often getting back and even getting around to skate backwards vs opposing rush.

Here's a video of his defensive habits (clearly engaging in the defensive end) from 2 years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18zsXzz ... amRobinson

Here is a video of him at the WJC with the first several clips showing him engaging defensively and the entire 200': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1vpMuw ... utesHockey

One clip at the 2:28 mark with Dvo standing in front of his crease says "Dvorsky could pull a Federov and play defence in a pinch. He doesn't run around chasing the puck, he maintains solid positioning and boxes out anyone entering the slot."

3:10: "Smart play to circle back and make sure the puck exits the zone. He gets checked on this play but that was pretty much inevitable with the two opponents so close. Better it happen outside of the zone than in it." -something the Blues have struggled with the past several years

Anyways, that video is ~30min long and illustrates what the scout said and my point that Dvo was an excellent 200' centerman his draft year. I don't know about his play in Springfield, but on the world stage against his peers I've watched him excel in every area of the ice and lead his team from end to end the entire game every game.

[BalotelliMassive]

I’m actually kind of excited for LM to show us what he must have shown Army and the brass.

[Barksdale's People]

Rezero, this is two very recent threads you've started with negative undertones targeting specific players, this and the "softer player" thread. You might consider rephrasing your questions, something on the lines of:

"Is the Blues top-6 leaning too soft?"
"Is Dvorsky ready for the NHL"

First, the top-6 turned out to be fine from a regular season perspective, enough scoring and good at ES. Some concerns with Kyrou surfaced in the playoffs and perhaps more was expected from Buchnevich. Holloway didn't make it to the playoffs, is there a longer term issue there? We'll have to see. Moving forward we don't really know what to expect from Snuggerud, either, I saw no indication he's a plus on physicality but I didn't see him abused, either.

Second, we'll find out in camp. What little I saw of Dvorsky in Springfield, I thought he was by design hanging back not driving the rush (puck carrying wingers), he looked fine on the boards and in transition out of the d-zone. Small sample size.

I guess I am still reeling from the Bolduc trade as I thought that kid was going to be special and loved his development last year. He had a little bit of a mean streak that you don’t often find in rookies. This coupled with the constant barrage Kyrou gets from this forum which is mostly unjust. Blues top 2 lines on offense and top 2 pairing in defense are still totally in check from the run last year, so the floor for this team should be the playoffs. When we went on the streak last year we had amazing chemistry, that we need to maintain.

Thoughts on how the Bolduc trade opens the door for Dvorsky (or someome else) to get the same type of development this season?

Like I get it, the Blues traded a roster player for a prospect and those trades are almost always met with a negative reaction by the fans who get the prospect. However the Blues are seemingly about to be bursting with forwards knocking on the door here. Are they all going to hit? No chance but it is amazing to me how in general people understand the concept of dealing from depth and then when it happens the pendulum swings right away to “oh not that guy”.

It’s very easy to call out Bolduc’s progress without [defecating] on unrelated players. The Blues weren’t a favorite with Bolduc so while I understand the consternation of losing his talent I really don’t understand the dramatics of acting like his trade snuffed out the Blues chances to be exactly what they were last year.

[STL fan in MN]

This was mentioned during his call up last year, but one issue that has plagues Dvorsky throughout his development has been his lack of defense. That was what I was most impressed with about Bolduc as he focused on defense first and let the goals come when opportunities arise. He may still get a shot with the Blues, but anyone else remember an offensively gifted center who had trouble making the NHL due to defense?

I would absolutely argue against the notion that Dvorsky’s defensive game has plagued him throughout his development. That is downright a crock of poo.

Here’s how I would assess his defensive game:

As a 19 year old? A little above average.

As an NHLer? Definitely below average.

What’s my point? He’s normal. He’s absolutely where you’d expect a 19 yr old to be defensively. He absolutely projects as a good two-way top-6 C. He just needs to develop, which again, is perfectly normal for a player his age.

[DawgDad]

This was mentioned during his call up last year, but one issue that has plagues Dvorsky throughout his development has been his lack of defense. That was what I was most impressed with about Bolduc as he focused on defense first and let the goals come when opportunities arise. He may still get a shot with the Blues, but anyone else remember an offensively gifted center who had trouble making the NHL due to defense?

I would absolutely argue against the notion that Dvorsky’s defensive game has plagued him throughout his development. That is downright a crock of poo.

Here’s how I would assess his defensive game:

As a 19 year old? A little above average.

As an NHLer? Definitely below average.

What’s my point? He’s normal. He’s absolutely where you’d expect a 19 yr old to be defensively. He absolutely projects as a good two-way top-6 C. He just needs to develop, which again, is perfectly normal for a player his age.

Knowing how raw Thomas was in 18-19 do you see Dvorsky at least at that level as a winger? Or is that simply remains to be seen?

[STL fan in MN]

This was mentioned during his call up last year, but one issue that has plagues Dvorsky throughout his development has been his lack of defense. That was what I was most impressed with about Bolduc as he focused on defense first and let the goals come when opportunities arise. He may still get a shot with the Blues, but anyone else remember an offensively gifted center who had trouble making the NHL due to defense?

I would absolutely argue against the notion that Dvorsky’s defensive game has plagued him throughout his development. That is downright a crock of poo.

Here’s how I would assess his defensive game:

As a 19 year old? A little above average.

As an NHLer? Definitely below average.

What’s my point? He’s normal. He’s absolutely where you’d expect a 19 yr old to be defensively. He absolutely projects as a good two-way top-6 C. He just needs to develop, which again, is perfectly normal for a player his age.

Knowing how raw Thomas was in 18-19 do you see Dvorsky at least at that level as a winger? Or is that simply remains to be seen?

Are you asking about Dvorsky’s defensive game as a winger specifically? I’ve seen him play maybe 2 games ever as a winger (and it was last season in Springfield and he was super dangerous on the wing) but I don’t really recall noticing his defensive game one way or the other those 2 games so can’t really say.

But overall, no, he’s not quite at Thomas’ level when Thomas was 19. That said, I do think there’s a good chance Dvorsky’s breaks in with the team this season on the wing.

[Younghopp1991]

This was mentioned during his call up last year, but one issue that has plagues Dvorsky throughout his development has been his lack of defense. That was what I was most impressed with about Bolduc as he focused on defense first and let the goals come when opportunities arise. He may still get a shot with the Blues, but anyone else remember an offensively gifted center who had trouble making the NHL due to defense?

I would absolutely argue against the notion that Dvorsky’s defensive game has plagued him throughout his development. That is downright a crock of poo.

Here’s how I would assess his defensive game:

As a 19 year old? A little above average.

As an NHLer? Definitely below average.

What’s my point? He’s normal. He’s absolutely where you’d expect a 19 yr old to be defensively. He absolutely projects as a good two-way top-6 C. He just needs to develop, which again, is perfectly normal for a player his age.

Knowing how raw Thomas was in 18-19 do you see Dvorsky at least at that level as a winger? Or is that simply remains to be seen?

Are you asking about Dvorsky’s defensive game as a winger specifically? I’ve seen him play maybe 2 games ever as a winger (and it was last season in Springfield and he was super dangerous on the wing) but I don’t really recall noticing his defensive game one way or the other those 2 games so can’t really say.

But overall, no, he’s not quite at Thomas’ level when Thomas was 19. That said, I do think there’s a good chance Dvorsky’s breaks in with the team this season on the wing.

This is what im hoping happens. Its also a good reason we picked up suter. Whether its schenn or suter, dvorsky will have a dependable vet with him. I think army hopes he earns it out of camp. But texier seems to have good preseasons and with joseph you know what you are getting. I just think dvorsky will have to really out play them to make the opening day roster.

[DawgDad]

This was mentioned during his call up last year, but one issue that has plagues Dvorsky throughout his development has been his lack of defense. That was what I was most impressed with about Bolduc as he focused on defense first and let the goals come when opportunities arise. He may still get a shot with the Blues, but anyone else remember an offensively gifted center who had trouble making the NHL due to defense?

I would absolutely argue against the notion that Dvorsky’s defensive game has plagued him throughout his development. That is downright a crock of poo.

Here’s how I would assess his defensive game:

As a 19 year old? A little above average.

As an NHLer? Definitely below average.

What’s my point? He’s normal. He’s absolutely where you’d expect a 19 yr old to be defensively. He absolutely projects as a good two-way top-6 C. He just needs to develop, which again, is perfectly normal for a player his age.

Knowing how raw Thomas was in 18-19 do you see Dvorsky at least at that level as a winger? Or is that simply remains to be seen?

Are you asking about Dvorsky’s defensive game as a winger specifically? I’ve seen him play maybe 2 games ever as a winger (and it was last season in Springfield and he was super dangerous on the wing) but I don’t really recall noticing his defensive game one way or the other those 2 games so can’t really say.

But overall, no, he’s not quite at Thomas’ level when Thomas was 19. That said, I do think there’s a good chance Dvorsky’s breaks in with the team this season on the wing.

This is what im hoping happens. Its also a good reason we picked up suter. Whether its schenn or suter, dvorsky will have a dependable vet with him. I think army hopes he earns it out of camp. But texier seems to have good preseasons and with joseph you know what you are getting. I just think dvorsky will have to really out play them to make the opening day roster.

Yeah, Suter is the new Bozak. Texier is an enigma and Joseph is a straight-line energy guy, I don't see much upside with either of them. I know they want a good solid start to the season but they need a replacement for Bolduc's upside potential, someone to provide offense and get better as the season progresses.

[Younghopp1991]

This was mentioned during his call up last year, but one issue that has plagues Dvorsky throughout his development has been his lack of defense. That was what I was most impressed with about Bolduc as he focused on defense first and let the goals come when opportunities arise. He may still get a shot with the Blues, but anyone else remember an offensively gifted center who had trouble making the NHL due to defense?

I would absolutely argue against the notion that Dvorsky’s defensive game has plagued him throughout his development. That is downright a crock of poo.

Here’s how I would assess his defensive game:

As a 19 year old? A little above average.

As an NHLer? Definitely below average.

What’s my point? He’s normal. He’s absolutely where you’d expect a 19 yr old to be defensively. He absolutely projects as a good two-way top-6 C. He just needs to develop, which again, is perfectly normal for a player his age.

Knowing how raw Thomas was in 18-19 do you see Dvorsky at least at that level as a winger? Or is that simply remains to be seen?

Are you asking about Dvorsky’s defensive game as a winger specifically? I’ve seen him play maybe 2 games ever as a winger (and it was last season in Springfield and he was super dangerous on the wing) but I don’t really recall noticing his defensive game one way or the other those 2 games so can’t really say.

But overall, no, he’s not quite at Thomas’ level when Thomas was 19. That said, I do think there’s a good chance Dvorsky’s breaks in with the team this season on the wing.

This is what im hoping happens. Its also a good reason we picked up suter. Whether its schenn or suter, dvorsky will have a dependable vet with him. I think army hopes he earns it out of camp. But texier seems to have good preseasons and with joseph you know what you are getting. I just think dvorsky will have to really out play them to make the opening day roster.

Yeah, Suter is the new Bozak. Texier is an enigma and Joseph is a straight-line energy guy, I don't see much upside with either of them. I know they want a good solid start to the season but they need a replacement for Bolduc's upside potential, someone to provide offense and get better as the season progresses.

Im hoping he makes the team as a C ir W out of camp just for the simple reason that i was him grtting used to our spoed, tempo and get chrmistry with the big club from day 1. Then we dont have to worry about him getting acclimated during the season primarily in game.