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CT has a current love affair for Francona, who also has his team looking up at the Cards in the standings.
Not a fan but the rabid, irrational hatred is bizarre.cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 20:29 pmCT has a current love affair for Francona, who also has his team looking up at the Cards in the standings.
The blind hatred over anything Oli is pretty funny.
A perfect example right here- Shildt had nothing to do with our defence it was different players!!!!!!ICCFIM2 wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 20:45 pm Fans always get upset at the manager when the team is losing. It is also easy to get upset at the manager when he kills the bullpen. Shildt is a good manager. Everyone should remember how sloppy the defense was the last year of Matheny and how Shildt had that completely cleaned up by the following year.
Of course if the bullpen only has 3-4 reliable arms, it is inevitable they will wear out. Oli looks like a genius managing the bullpen now that he has O'Brien, Leahy, Romero, Matton, Helsley with Svanson, Matz and King also doing fine. Or was MO the genius for somehow getting 8 good bullpen arms in 1 year?
Before this season, it wasn't "blind hatred."cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 20:29 pmCT has a current love affair for Francona, who also has his team looking up at the Cards in the standings.
The blind hatred over anything Oli is pretty funny.
In fairness, I think StL has a better roster than Cincy. And I admit, Marmol has done a better job this year. But each time my opinion begins to soften, he inevitably does something ignorant.cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 20:29 pmCT has a current love affair for Francona, who also has his team looking up at the Cards in the standings.
The blind hatred over anything Oli is pretty funny.
cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 20:29 pmCT has a current love affair for Francona, who also has his team looking up at the Cards in the standings.
The blind hatred over anything Oli is pretty funny.
Agree with first 2 paragraphs!blackinkbiz wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 22:58 pmBefore this season, it wasn't "blind hatred."cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 20:29 pmCT has a current love affair for Francona, who also has his team looking up at the Cards in the standings.
The blind hatred over anything Oli is pretty funny.
It all began 2022 Game 1 against the Phils; pulling Quintana was idiotic. Then, trying to get 2 innings out of Helsley because of his earlier blunder when the guy had jammed a finger on his throwing hand just 3 days before was equally dumb. To make matters worse, when asked postgame, he said "everything went to script until that last inning." You can't script a regular season game, much less a playoff game.
He's made a terrible habit out of pulling starters too early when they're cruising, overusing BP arms, overplaying L/R matchups, subbing in ancient vets with small sample size history over hot hitters, and musical chairs with the lineup.
That hatred was well deserved. But I'll admit, he's either learned or changed or something because he's not making the same mistakes over and over again this season.
Sonny throwing a complete game and Libby pitching into the 7th would have never happened before this season. Overall, a fine job thus far.
He cleaned up the defense overnight. We played a much crisper, cleaner baseball the day he took over from Matheny. And for that I'll be forever thankful.ICCFIM2 wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 20:45 pm Fans always get upset at the manager when the team is losing. It is also easy to get upset at the manager when he kills the bullpen. Shildt is a good manager. Everyone should remember how sloppy the defense was the last year of Matheny and how Shildt had that completely cleaned up by the following year.
Of course if the bullpen only has 3-4 reliable arms, it is inevitable they will wear out. Oli looks like a genius managing the bullpen now that he has O'Brien, Leahy, Romero, Matton, Helsley with Svanson, Matz and King also doing fine. Or was MO the genius for somehow getting 8 good bullpen arms in 1 year?
Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 23:43 pmAgree with first 2 paragraphs!blackinkbiz wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 22:58 pmBefore this season, it wasn't "blind hatred."cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 20:29 pmCT has a current love affair for Francona, who also has his team looking up at the Cards in the standings.
The blind hatred over anything Oli is pretty funny.
It all began 2022 Game 1 against the Phils; pulling Quintana was idiotic. Then, trying to get 2 innings out of Helsley because of his earlier blunder when the guy had jammed a finger on his throwing hand just 3 days before was equally dumb. To make matters worse, when asked postgame, he said "everything went to script until that last inning." You can't script a regular season game, much less a playoff game.
He's made a terrible habit out of pulling starters too early when they're cruising, overusing BP arms, overplaying L/R matchups, subbing in ancient vets with small sample size history over hot hitters, and musical chairs with the lineup.
That hatred was well deserved. But I'll admit, he's either learned or changed or something because he's not making the same mistakes over and over again this season.
Sonny throwing a complete game and Libby pitching into the 7th would have never happened before this season. Overall, a fine job thus far.
Sonny pitching a CG was only allowed because of an extremely low PC. If he was anywhere near 100, hed have yanked him faster than VSII gets down the line. He doesn't have the feel of a game to make decisions in the heat of the moment based on in-game factors. If it isn't pre-planned, he can’t handle it.
I don't like either, same w/M. Matheny
