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bWAR by position:

20th in WAR at SS (Winn .471 OPS in June after great April/May)
19th for all OF (LF - 11, CF - 13 and RF 23)
14th at 3b

Others: C - 12th; 1b - 10th; 2b - 6th

SP and RP both 17th

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leag ... B&stat=WAR

ClassicO wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 18:20 pm bWAR by position:

20th in WAR at SS (Winn .471 OPS in June after great April/May)
19th for all OF (LF - 11, CF - 13 and RF 23)
14th at 3b

Others: C - 12th; 1b - 10th; 2b - 6th

SP and RP both 17th

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leag ... B&stat=WAR

And yet here they are challenging for the playoffs...[fork]ing Oli

I was looking at Winn the other day. I was wondering why he didn't have a higher WAR. 0.9 at SS isn't that great (even Swanson with a lower average and higher strikeout rate is at 2.3)

Winn's defense should elevate him to a way higher WAR, right? Or is his defense just overrated?

vegascardsfan5890 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 19:14 pm I was looking at Winn the other day. I was wondering why he didn't have a higher WAR. 0.9 at SS isn't that great (even Swanson with a lower average and higher strikeout rate is at 2.3)

Winn's defense should elevate him to a way higher WAR, right? Or is his defense just overrated?

3rd in all of MLB in outs above average

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 19:17 pm

vegascardsfan5890 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 19:14 pm I was looking at Winn the other day. I was wondering why he didn't have a higher WAR. 0.9 at SS isn't that great (even Swanson with a lower average and higher strikeout rate is at 2.3)

Winn's defense should elevate him to a way higher WAR, right? Or is his defense just overrated?

3rd in all of MLB in outs above average

That’s one metric. The WAR number I showed were Baseabll Reference, which has him at .09 vs Fangraphs’ 1.9.

The defensive stats are crazy as two show him down and the Outs Above Average show him up:

Total Zone (Baseball Reference): -2 vs +11 last year
DRS - (Fangraphs): -2 vs +14 last year
OAA (Statcast) - +10 vs +3 last year

His range factor is well above league average so I don’t get the two that show him down so much.

Winn's in his sophomore year. Some latitude.

Didn't see today's game but heard the announcers commenting on Winn not running out his first grounder today. The infielder fumbled but still had time to catch Winn due to his failure to run. Burleson's double would have easily scored him. Wondering if he's hurt or we have an attitude problem... Hope this is a real outlier.

vegascardsfan5890 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 19:14 pm I was looking at Winn the other day. I was wondering why he didn't have a higher WAR. 0.9 at SS isn't that great (even Swanson with a lower average and higher strikeout rate is at 2.3)

Winn's defense should elevate him to a way higher WAR, right? Or is his defense just overrated?

According to defensive runs saved hes currently -2 but he was +14 last year. Defensive stats state that they need full seasons worth of data- sometime multiple seasons to be fully accurate and shouldnt t be judged in short sample sizes so idnexoect his defemse to flgo back in positive zone by years end

If Winn would hustle to first might be better.

I'm not worried about Winn at all. He's got a chance to be a superstar. His defense is great. There are a lot of targets to make the Cards better but Winn isn't one of them.